Thoughts on trading in Type 9 v Anaconda

[Alpha November]

I recently traded in my Type 9 for an Anaconda as my principle trade ship, I ran the T9 in a trader/defensive configuration and will do the same to the conda when I figure out a weapons/utility combo that suits me.

My main trade run is just over 13 ly, approx. 1100cr profit per ton each way.

In the T9 the run takes approx. 11mins. In the conda approx. 10mins. The difference is mainly getting into and out of the station, the conda is slightly quicker (basic thrusters) and manoeuvres much better. When I upgrade the conda thrusters I should be able to shave another 30-60 seconds of the run time.

In the T9 you aim for a third up from the bottom of the slot when you enter/exit a starport and as the ship is behind your seat you must wait to get through the slot before you manoeuvre. In the conda aim for the top of the slot as though you are about to scrape your head, two thirds of the ship is in front of your seat so you can manoeuvre nearly straight away.

The T9 uses approx. 28k fuel for each leg of the run, the conda uses 6k of fuel. Running a class 4 scoop on the T9 saves nearly 300K on fuel per 5 runs. On the conda the scoop is not economical, it is better to use the slot for cargo; see next point.

The T9 (in my configuration) has 452t cargo space. With a scoop, the conda has 388t or 404t without it. Over 5 runs a scoop on the conda would save me 60k on fuel but if I dedicate the same space for cargo it will earn me 176k cr. And of course not scooping saves me time as well in which I can conduct part of a further trade run.

Interdictions in a T9 are no fun at all; there's little chance of avoiding them (for me) and not submitting and failing would immediately impose a 60-100k repair bill. It was better to submit and then boost and warp. The shields on the T9 can cope with some battering. The downside is really being interdicted whilst scooping because you'd take a hit getting back into warp from the heat damage (up to 300k repair per interdiction) so you must be on guard and thrust out of scooping into empty space if you see a likely interdiction coming. In a conda of course, once properly armed, interdictions are a pleasure.

The T9 could do just over 13ly laden, the conda can do just under 19ly (though this will decrease as I add armament and better thrusters).

I hope this is of some help to someone.

 

[Shads]

THB I found the Anaconda to be just as much a shed as the type 9. Sure it would be an awesome ship properly kitted out but you are looking at 300k for even a moderately good loadout. I sold it after a couple of days and bought the type 9 back with a Python for combat. I can take elite anacondas out faster with my tricked up python that I could with the anaconda. I wont buy another anaconda until I have half a billion spare cash. Thats what it will take to properly buy and equip one.

 

[m00se11]

I run my conda with A3 shields. So it's a 450 cargo shielded freighter.I was running a shieldless T9 with 532 cargo on a 2400 cr per ton route. 2 jump route at 25ly. I make more of the anaconda than the T9 and its a lot more enjoyable to fly.

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THB I found the Anaconda to be just as much a shed as the type 9. Sure it would be an awesome ship properly kitted out but you are looking at 300k for even a moderately good loadout. I sold it after a couple of days and bought the type 9 back with a Python for combat. I can take elite anacondas out faster with my tricked up python that I could with the anaconda. I wont buy another anaconda until I have half a billion spare cash. Thats what it will take to properly buy and equip one.

I was able to equip a combat ready anaconda for about 210 million. Granted I would not vs human players with it. But vs NPC I took out everything that was thrown at me. You don't need a fully kitted anaconda do be a threat.

 

[malicious1]

I run my conda with A3 shields. So it's a 450 cargo shielded freighter.I was running a shieldless T9 with 532 cargo on a 2400 cr per ton route. 2 jump route at 25ly. I make more of the anaconda than the T9 and its a lot more enjoyable to fly.

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I was able to equip a combat ready anaconda for about 210 million. Granted I would not vs human players with it. But vs NPC I took out everything that was thrown at me. You don't need a fully kitted anaconda do be a threat.

got my condas range to 21.64ly so its both faster more maneuverable in system,and nearly double the l9 range which makes for much faster runs

 

[777Driver]

The downside is really being interdicted whilst scooping because you'd take a hit getting back into warp from the heat damage (up to 300k repair per interdiction) .

Heat sinks, they can be engaged whilst charging. A good Power plant helps too.

 

[Duckfather]

I traded in my Type 9 for a 'Conda and I've never looked back. It reduced my current trade route from 4 jumps to 1 and enables me to make ~2mil an hour more than I could before. I also hardly ever get interdicted these days now I'm not in the Space Cow, although when I do, it's always something big like a Python or another 'Conda. Makes interdictions interesting to say the least

 

[Poplin]

I run my conda with A3 shields. So it's a 450 cargo shielded freighter.I was running a shieldless T9 with 532 cargo on a 2400 cr per ton route. 2 jump route at 25ly. I make more of the anaconda than the T9 and its a lot more enjoyable to fly.

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I was able to equip a combat ready anaconda for about 210 million. Granted I would not vs human players with it. But vs NPC I took out everything that was thrown at me. You don't need a fully kitted anaconda do be a threat.

Do you mean A4 shields? There's no point to running A3 if you are since it doesn't have a class 3 internals, just 2 then 4.

 

[Panzer]

I'm running a trade/stress relief anaconda for a few days now, 432 cargo with an A4 shield, A4 scoop and A2 battery. Despite having less cargo space thana T9 I had earlier, it is a vastly better trader - more convenient to move around and armed well enough to kill things that would normally doom a T9.

I'd stand absolutely no chance against a PvP-rigged python, but then again, nothing much does.

 

[Flying Penguin]

So, what would be people's thoughts on minimum fit-out for a tradeConda?

I'm running a T9 on a 14LY run at the moment, trying to build cash to fit my (formerly trading) Python as a pure combat ship, but I'm in two minds as to whether to splash the money on the Python upgrades or to go for the Anaconda as a trade in for the T9.

 

[Shads]

So, what would be people's thoughts on minimum fit-out for a tradeConda?

I'm running a T9 on a 14LY run at the moment, trying to build cash to fit my (formerly trading) Python as a pure combat ship, but I'm in two minds as to whether to splash the money on the Python upgrades or to go for the Anaconda as a trade in for the T9.

For the price of a well fit anaconda you can have the type 9 for trading and also have a tooled up Python for combat and you will have the best of both worlds.

 

[Flying Penguin]

For the price of a well fit anaconda you can have the type 9 for trading and also have a tooled up Python for combat and you will have the best of both worlds.

I already have a T-9 (not maxed, but very heavily optimised for my run) and a Python (which is being slowly tooled up to max as a combat vessel), my query is more around what would be required to replace my T-9 with an Anaconda because, let's face it, the T-9 is a pig.

I could already sell both and buy a base 'Conda, but I like my Python too much....

 

[Shads]

I already have a T-9 (not maxed, but very heavily optimised for my run) and a Python (which is being slowly tooled up to max as a combat vessel), my query is more around what would be required to replace my T-9 with an Anaconda because, let's face it, the T-9 is a pig.

I could already sell both and buy a base 'Conda, but I like my Python too much....

I've come to the conclusion that there is no more 'Next ship' for me. The Anaconda is nowhere near as much fun as the Python and since there is no reason to accumulate massive amounts of credits I'm just using the Python for everything. Sure it only has 200t of cargo now but its tooled for combat and since there is no rush for the next ship I am just having much more fun and still making a healthy living.

 

[Alpha November]

I already have a T-9 (not maxed, but very heavily optimised for my run) and a Python (which is being slowly tooled up to max as a combat vessel), my query is more around what would be required to replace my T-9 with an Anaconda because, let's face it, the T-9 is a pig.

I could already sell both and buy a base 'Conda, but I like my Python too much....

I sold my Python for the T9, then the T9 was a means to an end to get the conda. I purchased the conda with about 100M of spare cash (T9 was worth about 104M). I think ideally you'd have 250M in assets before purchasing but I just couldn't stick with the T9 any longer. I intend to upgrade the conda so that it is a trade ship with good defences and then put together another 100M for a full-spec Python. I keep a full-spec Cobra for rank missions and scouting new routes at the moment as well as the conda. Notwithstanding Shads good points I just couldn't continue to fly the T9, I just didn't enjoy it. The conda flies more like a normal ship and is less stressful, you don't need to worry about losing a fortune if interdicted.

 

[Sams]

Before I purchased the anaconda I did a lot of timed runs, profit per hour etc etc in the T9. When I got the Anaconda I did the same runs, same trials and I ended up being able to do 2 to 2.5 more runs per hour in the anaconda. This was based on a two jump route.

If you have a route which is very close together (no extra jumps) then the T9 is the better ship. If any jump is required then the anaconda moves so quickly it negates the loss from less cargo because you do more trips per hour. I'm on a 1500/1300 route now which is 31ly away. Only one jump in an anaconda but it makes the most profit compared to anything closer together.

It really is down to the route. I hated the T9 and would never go back to it no matter the route.

Fun fact...

I swapped the A5 scoop for cargo in the anaconda. I made a small 15k profit per return trip from the extra 32 cargo. Still not sure if you want to remove scoop? Remember this:

The trading rank is based on pure trading. The extra 45-50k credits per station (from the extra 32 cargo) counts towards the trading rank. So every 20 trips I have roughly 1,000,000 extra credits towards my trading rank because I ditched the fuel scoop.

So even though I'm making almost no extra profit (7k each way)... by not having a fuel scoop it makes me 1,000,000 more per 20 trips towards my trading rank.

 

[m00se11]

Do you mean A4 shields? There's no point to running A3 if you are since it doesn't have a class 3 internals, just 2 then 4.

I just realized I have been running A3's instead of A4's...

 

[Fian]

Before I purchased the anaconda I did a lot of timed runs, profit per hour etc etc in the T9. When I got the Anaconda I did the same runs, same trials and I ended up being able to do 2 to 2.5 more runs per hour in the anaconda. This was based on a two jump route.

If you have a route which is very close together (no extra jumps) then the T9 is the better ship. If any jump is required then the anaconda moves so quickly it negates the loss from less cargo because you do more trips per hour. I'm on a 1500/1300 route now which is 31ly away. Only one jump in an anaconda but it makes the most profit compared to anything closer together.

It really is down to the route. I hated the T9 and would never go back to it no matter the route.

Fun fact...

I swapped the A5 scoop for cargo in the anaconda. I made a small 15k profit per return trip from the extra 32 cargo. Still not sure if you want to remove scoop? Remember this:

The trading rank is based on pure trading. The extra 45-50k credits per station (from the extra 32 cargo) counts towards the trading rank. So every 20 trips I have roughly 1,000,000 extra credits towards my trading rank because I ditched the fuel scoop.

So even though I'm making almost no extra profit (7k each way)... by not having a fuel scoop it makes me 1,000,000 more per 20 trips towards my trading rank.

I have really been wondering about this. I can't afford a conda yet, but my t9 is optimised except for upgrading thrusters from B class to A class.

Would be interested in anaconda for trading, tbh i can't see using that ship for any other purpose - repair costs etc. are too high to make it worthwhile bringing into combat i guess.

Have yet to fly a python. I expect my ultimate fleet (based on ships currently in game) would be a trading T9 or conda, a combat cobra + viper a clipper (because i love that ship) and I guess an asp for exploration. I wonder can you explore in a clipper now i think of it.

Then i guess if money continues to roll in i could have a python just because.

My main question anyway is whether a t9 or conda is the better ship for pure trade purposes. I would think that the conda would shine more on a short route and they would be more even on a longer. The time you save docking (and if you mess up supercruise approach i guess) is the main advantage with a conda. Hyperjumps are more or less the same, if on a multi jump route you can "pass through" in a T9 at more or less the same rate as a conda. On a one jump / short supercruise route though ( or even more so luxuries shuttling) the quicker docking in a conda would have proportionately a bigger effect? Say you save 60 seconds docking that matters much more on a 4 minute luxuries run than a 12 minute multi jump route and helps to compensate for teh lower cargo space.

Edit:

Can anyone who has done luxuries runs in T 9 and Anaconda maybe post which was more profit per hour and how much?

I think if T9 outperforms anaconda in luxuries run there is little doubt that it is also the best for optimising trading profit on any other run.

Of course in terms of fun to fly or self defense, that might be a different story and should also be taken into account.

though i do kind of like teh heavy feel of T9, feels like you are piloting a mountain or someone.

 

[tasev1]

I am thinking of this switch as well....My T9 has been well used, but with the 3 trade routes I follow now, the Conda will save me so much time. I also have a fully kitted Python, and traded down my explorer Asp to a Diamondback Explorer. Only thing missing in my fleet is a dedicated fighter - thinking of the Vulture.

 

[MechaRanger]

I run the Conda now even though I lose 40tons of cargo space (~110,000cr loss per round trip.) One-way I get 2765 and then the back trip only gets 38 profit so a total of about 2800 round trip per ton. Although, now that I have the Conda, I want to get interdicted. I love "firin' ma lazers" at the nub NPC eagles that try to take me down xD. The shields are about 600 MJ stronger on my conda than the type-9 so I enjoy getting interdicted with a large load.

Conda Loadout: http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=706,5...k9Y8S9YD88I,0Bk0AA0AA0AA08c08c08c0720727RA0nE

Type-9 Loadout: http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=70Y,mpX0Wg01Q01Q0_g,2-6QBa9Y8SA06u9s,0DI0Bk0AA7Sk07207205U7fE0nE

Also, dual chaffs are really good if you are in a slow trading ship with poor defenses, because you can use continuous chaffs rendering the NPC's gimballed weapons useless. Even if it has fixed weapons, the NPC doesn't aim very well.

If you have questions about my loadouts feel free to ask

 

[Bacalao]

So, what would be people's thoughts on minimum fit-out for a tradeConda?

I'm running a T9 on a 14LY run at the moment, trying to build cash to fit my (formerly trading) Python as a pure combat ship, but I'm in two minds as to whether to splash the money on the Python upgrades or to go for the Anaconda as a trade in for the T9.

"Trade Anaconda build" that was my basic build, put whatever class 4 you like on there or another turret, add as many shield boosters/chaff/ecm as you can fit in with the power left over, even with the small distributor it will be enough to handle any NPC interdictor under a python with ease. You can get a 15% discount in Li Yong Rui space on the ship and outfitting which would bring that build down to 150M (+ utility mount cost).

I'd get out of the space cow as soon as possible, I love the way the anaconda flies, it won't win any races but it is smooth as butter.

 

[Para Handy]

Yeah I run a 452t cargo anaconda at the moment, I did run a T9 for a while but I got fed up being interdicted and on a couple of times I only just managed to get away from npc condas so it was off to Li Yong Rui's space flog the bits from the T9 then buy the Acaconda at discount. Now have found this neat triangle of 13ly jumps that the 'conda does in single bounds and I'm slowly working to up my trade rank.

The only issue is the need for even more NPC interdictions to keep the routes interesting.

Here is my build - http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=706,7...Q9Y7_B6C_8I,0Bk0AA0AA0AA08c08c08c7RA07207203w

(An aside - At first I found trouble undocking the 'conda without scraping the slot but found that if I didn't alter pitch angle, just used vertical + horizontal thrusters to line up, I soon got the hang of it. Then after a few tries manual docking I also was able to dump the docking computer, I found it much easier to dock than a T9 and manual is WAY faster than autodock.)