Tired of the impunity of trolls.

[Sorui]

I get that every game will have trolls. It's just a thing.

My problem here is that there have been numerous reported and proven instances of this behaviour, which soils the experience for those of us trying to enjoy the game and play it without attempting to cause outright frustration to others. But there is no known policy, let alone punishment, or allowed public punishment, of those that troll others.

There is no way to know if someone is a known troll, nor is there a way to exact a stance against them that makes them want to either halt such behaviours, or abandon the game. Not even a community based initiative that is at least condoned by Frontier....

There are very specific examples of these behaviours, and as a systems engineer, I don't see how making small steps to prevent this behaviour is so prohibitive.

If you can't outright ban them for reasons of fairness, then why is there no database that provides listings of known and proven trolls? Not even a half step? Frontier won't even allow the community to take action?

It seems that Frontier just doesn't care about malicious actors ruining the experience for others.

"If you want to play the game and experience it truly, here's a series of work arounds, because we can't be bothered to sus it out ourselves..." is the basic jist I'm getting...

 

[Jenner]

I've moved this out of forum support, because I think you are referring to in-game behavior and not forum behavior.

If this is a mistake please let me know.

You may want to check out the Terms of Service, which includes recourse for dealing with behavior in-game that is counter to the TOS:
https://www.frontierstore.net/code-of-conduct

 

[Jaiotu]

They aren't "Trolls". They're other players who just happen to be out playing the game. As long as they aren't being verbally abusive or taking advantage of game exploits to make you miserable then they are fully within their rights to shoot you, ram you or otherwise affect your game play experience. You have your choice to play in Open and accept their behaviour, play in Open and "block" the player from the menu which will reduce your chances of instancing with them again, play in Private Goup or play in Solo. The plethora of remedies for the situation is absolute proof that Frontier does care about your experience playing the game / they've given you multiple avenues toward avoiding the kind of behavior that is keeping you from enjoying the game.

 

[dekot]

Are you talking about people attacking you?

 

[lokvette]

Solo or PG, problem soveld. Ive yet to come across anyone who has spoilt my ED gaming time from trolling.

If your still intent on playing in open FD gave us the block function. If you come across a player you deem to be a troll, hit the block and carry on.

 

[Mole HD]

They aren't "Trolls". They're other players who just happen to be out playing the game. As long as they aren't being verbally abusive or taking advantage of game exploits to make you miserable then they are fully within their rights to shoot you, ram you or otherwise affect your game play experience. You have your choice to play in Open and accept their behaviour, play in Open and "block" the player from the menu which will reduce your chances of instancing with them again, play in Private Goup or play in Solo. The plethora of remedies for the situation is absolute proof that Frontier does care about your experience playing the game / they've given you multiple avenues toward avoiding the kind of behavior that is keeping you from enjoying the game.

..In a nutshell, well said.

I play in Mobius through personal preference... in case it may be thought I contribute to the trollishness

 

[Stigbob]

Switch modes or block them, or both.

Technical details dev posts about it and upset griefers here :

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ners-advice-on-dealing-with-griefing-(part-2)

 

[Sorui]

I'm talking about someone just sitting on the only LP available.

I was running evac missions to get refugees out of SPOCS 253 station, but there's an Anaconda sitting on the only large LP (rescue ships have 1 each for each vessel size) for over 35 minutes, and numerous message attempts directly to CMDR K1lgor was here were sent. No replies.

How hard is it to recognize AFK?
Even discord knows that, and most MMORPGs can recognize that.

I've taken an unengineered Cobra MK3 into a CZ and got my handed to me. That's fine. I lost.

But blocking access to a refugee drop off point is just u n--forgivable... That's just negligent.... In both sides.... FD for designing it that way, and the player for not

 

[Yosharian]

I get that every game will have trolls. It's just a thing.

My problem here is that there have been numerous reported and proven instances of this behaviour, which soils the experience for those of us trying to enjoy the game and play it without attempting to cause outright frustration to others. But there is no known policy, let alone punishment, or allowed public punishment, of those that troll others.

There is no way to know if someone is a known troll, nor is there a way to exact a stance against them that makes them want to either halt such behaviours, or abandon the game. Not even a community based initiative that is at least condoned by Frontier....

There are very specific examples of these behaviours, and as a systems engineer, I don't see how making small steps to prevent this behaviour is so prohibitive.

If you can't outright ban them for reasons of fairness, then why is there no database that provides listings of known and proven trolls? Not even a half step? Frontier won't even allow the community to take action?

It seems that Frontier just doesn't care about malicious actors ruining the experience for others.

"If you want to play the game and experience it truly, here's a series of work arounds, because we can't be bothered to sus it out ourselves..." is the basic jist I'm getting...

This post is kinda useless unless you define what behaviour you think is trolling.

 

[Sorui]

Maybe it's because I'm former military, amd I know that loitering gets a military response in regard to refugee situations. But that just seems so negligent amd shows a massive oversight in planning amd execution.

Blocking access

If you, in any way, block access in a refugee camp, IRL, you get shot...

 

[Marra Morgan]

I'm talking about someone just sitting on the only LP available.

I was running evac missions to get refugees out of SPOCS 253 station, but there's an Anaconda sitting on the only large LP (rescue ships have 1 each for each vessel size) for over 35 minutes, and numerous message attempts directly to CMDR K1lgor was here were sent. No replies.

How hard is it to recognize AFK?
Even discord knows that, and most MMORPGs can recognize that.

I've taken an unengineered Cobra MK3 into a CZ and got my handed to me. That's fine. I lost.

But blocking access to a refugee drop off point is just u n--forgivable... That's just negligent.... In both sides.... FD for designing it that way, and the player for not

So this is a duplicate thread of this one?

 

[Vasious]

Duplicate of this isn't it?

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/425399-Trolls-blocking-rescue-ship-LPs

 

[Sorui]

That's like blocking the access corridor...

Just loiter in a standard starport's access corridor.... What happens? You get shot....

 

[Dieson]

LOG OUT
SWITCH TO SOLO
PROBLEM SOLVED
MMMMKAY?

 

[Sorui]

I get that. But seems a bit for implementation. Then maybe FD should pin that written into the beginning "New Commanders" forums? Maybe even add it to the training course?

I've touted this game as being incredibly accurate, and it's building being based on IRL research. This is the third time I've found a large short coming in that repore....

 

[MickyG1982]

LOG OUT
SWITCH TO SOLO
PROBLEM SOLVED
MMMMKAY?

Pretty much this, once you have landed, switch back and you are in a shiny new instance where you can load refugees to your heart's content.

Much quicker than a post crying for a list (one which could amount to nothing more than witch hunting if a player spends 30 seconds over what you consider to be reasonable parking time on the pad) of "trolls".

I mean, unless you have sat there waiting for the entire time they have sat on the pad (something I wouldn't do I'd perform the steps above after a minute tops) how do you know how long they have been landed for? They could have landed seconds before you joined the instance, they also could have a delivery/collection pattern near in sync with yours (i.e. you are both doing the same kinds of missions going to and from the same destinations so ending up in the same instance). The player on the pad may have specific learning difficulties and need to spend the extra time looking at the mission board. They could be doing a number of different activities, up to and including afk (there is no rule against it in the EULA/TOS).

Inconvenient? Slightly.
Insurmountable? No.

 

[zarrazee]

Then maybe FD should pin that written into the beginning "New Commanders" forums? Maybe even add it to the training course?

Whilst I appreciate pad hogging is annoying, I've only encountered it a handful of times in my 1700+ hours playtime. FD can't (and shouldn't) implement a training course for every eventuality in the game.

Just do as others have suggested, log out, relog into solo, dock, log out, relog into open - it takes seconds.

 

[babelfisch]

Public punishment sounds rather medieval if you ask me. Anyway, if you want to start a 3rd party site where you can name and shame everyone who doesn't play by your rules nobody is going to stop you. Until then there is a block player, report player and private group option.

 

[babelfisch]

I'm talking about someone just sitting on the only LP available.

I was running evac missions to get refugees out of SPOCS 253 station, but there's an Anaconda sitting on the only large LP (rescue ships have 1 each for each vessel size) for over 35 minutes, and numerous message attempts directly to CMDR K1lgor was here were sent. No replies.

How hard is it to recognize AFK?
Even discord knows that, and most MMORPGs can recognize that.

I've taken an unengineered Cobra MK3 into a CZ and got my @$$ handed to me. That's fine. I lost.

But blocking access to a refugee drop off point is just u n--forgivable... That's just negligent.... In both sides.... FD for designing it that way, and the player for not GAF....

So you ask for public punishment and call them trolls because someone forgot to log out? All while you could just block the player in question, log in, log out and be done with it?

 

[Sorui]

I'm asking for AFK recognition. It's not hard... The code can be copy pasta'ed from many get hub repositories.

Sounds like you're crying that someone might ask to take away your ability to mess with someone....