I'll be honest with you and I've said this before that if Elite were to shut down tomorrow I wouldn't give a toss. There are many more important things in life than worrying about a game shutting down.
To Solo Play Players: If You Could Disable PVP, Would You Play in Open Play Mode Instead?
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I'll be honest with you and I've said this before that if Elite were to shut down tomorrow I wouldn't give a toss. There are many more important things in life than worrying about a game shutting down.
Sandro had that idea a three/four years ago before he moved on to another project.
Like most things with PP it came to nothing.
Robert Maynard
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In the absence of anything to the contrary, it's as valid now as it was then.
It has been restated a few times since;
Not "too bad for everybody" - as not "everybody" wants to have game content placed behind a PvP-gate.Anyway: I know it will not change. And too bad for everybody actually. For me I just hope that fdev will make a better game every new update, even better than the very confusing thing stated in that veeery old Kickstarter campaign.
I expect that we share a desire to see the game improve with every new update, noting that we won't necessarily agree on what constitutes an improvement to our gameplay.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
That was the Powerplay Flash Topic of May'18 - a few months before Sandro left the project.
Prior to that he had suggested an Open play bonus for Powerplay (to the Power, not the CMDR) - that was in March'16.
Well not so many years ago, when Sammarco ruined the daughter's birthday of some guy proposing Open Only Powerplay.
Then Bruce Garrido said the team is talking about making somehow Open more relevant in some aspect etc.
So... Apparently this is not a closed argument for fdev, and the fact that you all are in a forum war could mean maybe even you feel the danger of something happening sooner or later... XD
(At least somebody believe it possible lol, I do not to be honest eheh)
I'm fine watching you kick that strawmans butt in all honesty.
Please continue telling the people replying to you how they feel, I think you got em on the ropes.
Dude: not as edgy as you wished, really. Remember? Being grown-ups and all that stuff?
I understand having a mod by your side makes you confident about what to say and how you say it, but please. Edit
And I keep saying I do not believe something will ever change, not just in Open/Solo or Powerplay or BGS, but even in every old/established game mechanic, everything's on Odyssey now, flight gameplay seems pretty abandoned sadly.
What?
Somebody (I can't remember the nickname) went all melodramatic because Sammarco proposed the possibility to consider Powerplay Open Only, telling he ruined him his daughter's birthday. I remember I thought "oh god, that guy's a parent."
The Parent ruined their kids birthday that's hilarious but also quite tragic for the kid.
No, that doesn't make sense at all. Hurting the other side by avoiding conflict? What are you smoking bro.
Yup exactly that. Have you any knowledge at all about how some Powers expand? (Torval, Winters, Aisling, Mahon and LYR)
Im sure the kid made the parent eat a rebuy in their car afterwards so it works out.
I agree that is not correct that players are forced into open. But it is only a part of PvE players who writes that and I am quite sure it is not the majority.
Others just ask for a mode in which they all can play together without PvP. PGs do not offer that becasue of the player limit, therefore PvE players are currently scattered between different private groups. Rejecting that request because a part of PvE players writes something you dont agree with is also not the right approach.
What also suprises me is that Open (with PvP) players, who participate in this discussion, just say no to every PvE proposal or idea, even to a PG like Mobius without a player limit. Although they can't meet PvE/PG players anyway and would not be affected by such a change.
Not sure if this is serious or just sarcasm. Lets say its serious, so:
Its like "punching a t-shirt is ok, its just garn" ... except someone is wearing that shirt, or in our case like someone is playing with these pixels. Both actions affect the person behind the shirt or pixels in a negative way.
You play how you wish, thats ok. Would you agree that all players should have the possibility to play how they wish? E.g. PvE only, without limited player numbers?
100%. I use Mobius as I still get to talk to people but without the PvP. A PvP banned mode would be great. I’d note that most PvP tends to be one person hammering someone who didn’t want PvP. This is what you need to remove from the equation.I'm under the impression that a lot of people, including myself, prefer to play Solo mode all the time, not because we don't want to play with others, but simply because we don't want to PVP others.
For comparison, let me talk to you about of one of the worst launches in recent years, Fallout 76, which to the surprise of some has actually redeemed itself (at least to some extent), but owes it survival to its community, which stood during awful first year fo the game, but also a community that confused Bethesda because the devs were convinced their players wanted more PVP... and they were proven wrong, best depicted through many of the ironic headlines that gaming journalism used to deliver the "shocking" revelation:
Bethesda Didn’t Get Why ‘Fallout 76’ Players Wouldn’t Kill Each Other
Bethesda Didn’t Get Why ‘Fallout 76’ Players Wouldn’t Kill Each Other
Bethesda was surprised to learn that Fallout 76 players didn't care much for PvP, and how the game has evolved reflects that.www.forbes.com
Bethesda Apparently Shocked People Didn't Like PvP in 'Fallout 76'
Bethesda Apparently Shocked People Didn't Like PvP in 'Fallout 76'
"It's a smaller percentage of our player base than we thought."www.gamingbible.co.uk
Bethesda Surprised By How Many Fallout 76 Players Didn't Want to PvP
Bethesda Surprised By How Many Fallout 76 Players Didn't Want to PvP
Bethesda VP Pete Hines reveals that the company was surprised to find that players preferred to avoid PvP in Fallout 76 in favor of PvE.gamerant.com
Bethesda was surprised how uninterested players were in Fallout 76's PvP
Bethesda was surprised how uninterested players were in Fallout 76's PvP
We just want to be friends.www.pcgamer.com
Bethesda got confused that Fallout 76 players don’t murder each other
Why is everyone being so nice?
Bethesda got confused that Fallout 76 players don't murder each other
When Bethesda was designing Fallout 76, it expected players to murder each other, but it turns out they'd rather just work together.www.pcinvasion.com
Don't misunderstand: Fallout 76 do had (still has to a small degree) griefers and gankers, but the vast majority of players simply preferred not to engage in PVP.
Keeping things short, today many of the ways to engage into PVP have been disabled, pacifist mode is a menu option that makes it almost impossible to engage in PVP, and while the game's reputation will forever be tarnished by its launch, its actually in a better than many people expected (which can't be said for games like EA's Anthem, which already threw the towel and cancelled further development). It still is no substitute for a proper Fallout 5, but as a casual time waster with a Fallout theme: it's passable.
Back to Elite Dangerous, I think a lot more people would like to try playing in Open Play with random strangers in Elite if they had the choice to opt out from PVP, like having an aforementioned pacifist mode that disabled PVP interactions.
But that's just my impression, and I would like to hear what other thinks on this matter:
Do you think that Open Play would be negatively affected if PVP could be disabled?
Do you think Elite could benefit from having more people try to play & cooperate with others in Open Play?
Straight sarcasm, as it is the most common response from some players who like to blow up ships to anything PvE related
Actually I did plenty of those, mostly about balancement. As I said before, I gave up on the mode thing long time ago, so now I focus on giving feedback on BGS balancement, mission improvements and Powerplay mechanics. Too bad a lot of people seems satisfied with current grindy gameplay, and don't seem to be interested in making the game more difficult (current engineering makes the game far too easy) or at least make more complex and difficult actions have a greater impact on the game. Which I think is a great issue because if even PvE is not challenging enough the very longevity of the game is far shorter.
I guess you missed my earlier posts then?
I continue to suggest exactly that in each of these merry-go-round threads that apparently need to be created every few days
I mean the part that you feel hurt because there is some gravity from a side you cannot control. This is nuts.
Wait a second. If I can hurt you by choosing not to engage in a fight with you, does this make me a sort of psycho-ganker? Then I have one goal in game, to achieve top rank in it
Well, that is an interesting observation - I've been playing around 4.5 years, and oddly enough there is sufficient 'challenge' in the activities I do in the game to keep me engaged. I don't think there is any other game I have played, regularly, for that period of time. (Yes, I still go back and play some Skyrim on occasion, but only had a couple of hundreds of hours playing there, here I have over 5,000 - so far)