Too little too late. Why ED failed.

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I know its a bit of a statement, But this here game is doomed.


Why? What is ol' Gyp peeved with now?


Well, id better get it done before the flame cannons kick in. I have always loved Elite, and played it on the model B. I knew some basic BASIC and Machine Code. And I was well impressed with what DB and IB achieved. Man, that was a beautifully written piece of software.


And then DB had 20 years to think about it. Ill stop now on that topic, and express what DB realized:
1: I just made a RNGish Galaxy of 400 billion suns. How do I fill it up?
2: What network model do I use? Ah, server based.
3: Whoops, now I need to fill this 400 billion star system up myself, as everything is now server side. I love my intellectual property and that's that.
4: Control is everything, even though the kind folks kickstartered me.
5: Do I need help with this? NO!

How it is in reality - and what I would have done, and what I would do now:

1: First off, fess up. How am I going to do this: I just made 400 bil Systems, and I have to have some quality control.
2: I will have to concentrate on the bubble (remember the limited bubble during Alpha?) This means I will have to introduce VERY different factions of mankind (Perhaps digital vs analog or other sentient races with wildly varied ship and culture designs)
3: I will make a trading system that makes sense. That means I have to build a server that specifically tracks the market realistically. So, I need to pay for that. With 100,000 players, im gonna need a petabyte server. Or more.
4: That is going to cost too much to maintain.
5: Just give up and redesign the entire system as P to P. Offload the data.
6: Give Universities the code to enable them to introduce new objects. So you need a way of editing placement. Its so stupid that FD model a realistic simulation of our galaxy and WE DONT GET TO REFINE IT. YOU ARE A GAME COMPANY BUT ARE DEALING WITH ADVANCED TOPICS THAT CAN REFINE OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE GALAXY. Are you stupid to the financial benefits or what? Its about time FD realise that. It is just insensible. Do the people who program ED actually realize what they are doing? It's amazing stuff, and it is being wasted.
Utterly wasted and this is my core concern with the way FD behaves. You could have a serious responsibility, but you shun it.

It's a shame.

Gyp out.
 
What?

Can this entire paragraph be defined with the phrase: Allow modding?
If so I'd say something something online game.


Also whilst here they have no responsibility, it's a business environment, not a public service. They have a responsibility to their shareholders who own the company and by proxy their customers as the customers make the shareholders happy. Theres nothing for the advancing humanity or refining understanding, they are a company like Ford or Jack Daniels or Kelloggs.

Also whatever you've drank this weekend, is there any left and can I have some? :)
 
I suggest that the OP should take a moment and consider the concept of 'perspective'. I could concede that the game has failed you, and your expectations, but E|D has not failed mine. Perspective.
 
My approach to video games tends to be if I really like it after doing some reading I'll buy it play the crap out of it and enjoy it for what it is. Maybe's and theorycrafting are fun as an intellectual exercise but you shouldn't hang your hopes on them or lament their loss as that's just not how things work.

I'd give ED 10/10 its a truly fantastic game simply on its own merits.

There's also more to come probably*.




*realistic expectations
 
I know its a bit of a statement, But this here game is doomed.


Why? What is ol' Gyp peeved with now?


Well, id better get it done before the flame cannons kick in. I have always loved Elite, and played it on the model B. I knew some basic BASIC and Machine Code. And I was well impressed with what DB and IB achieved. Man, that was a beautifully written piece of software.


And then DB had 20 years to think about it. Ill stop now on that topic, and express what DB realized:
1: I just made a RNGish Galaxy of 400 billion suns. How do I fill it up?
2: What network model do I use? Ah, server based.
3: Whoops, now I need to fill this 400 billion star system up myself, as everything is now server side. I love my intellectual property and that's that.
4: Control is everything, even though the kind folks kickstartered me.
5: Do I need help with this? NO!

How it is in reality - and what I would have done, and what I would do now:

1: First off, fess up. How am I going to do this: I just made 400 bil Systems, and I have to have some quality control.
2: I will have to concentrate on the bubble (remember the limited bubble during Alpha?) This means I will have to introduce VERY different factions of mankind (Perhaps digital vs analog or other sentient races with wildly varied ship and culture designs)
3: I will make a trading system that makes sense. That means I have to build a server that specifically tracks the market realistically. So, I need to pay for that. With 100,000 players, im gonna need a petabyte server. Or more.
4: That is going to cost too much to maintain.
5: Just give up and redesign the entire system as P to P. Offload the data.
6: Give Universities the code to enable them to introduce new objects. So you need a way of editing placement. Its so stupid that FD model a realistic simulation of our galaxy and WE DONT GET TO REFINE IT. YOU ARE A GAME COMPANY BUT ARE DEALING WITH ADVANCED TOPICS THAT CAN REFINE OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE GALAXY. Are you stupid to the financial benefits or what? Its about time FD realise that. It is just insensible. Do the people who program ED actually realize what they are doing? It's amazing stuff, and it is being wasted.
Utterly wasted and this is my core concern with the way FD behaves. You could have a serious responsibility, but you shun it.

It's a shame.

Gyp out.

Interesting post, trolly flame bate title? Check. Pronto use of "game is doomed" trope? Check. Nonsencicle ramblings? Che.... Hold on....

Hes kind of off the wall in the way he goes about it, but his post has two points, one is that gameplay / depth of similutaion / verisimilitude wise p2p model networking really hurts the game. But, the second thing Gypsy12 goes on about is the potential monetary value of the seemingly sceintifically super accurate galaxy simulation that Anthony Kay Ross built in "stellar forge" the engine that made our galaxy. There have been a couple of times that the engine "Got it right" where it predicted stars and earth likes within a few light years of where keppler and other exoplanet programs actually find them. This, as suggested, but not in the trolly wording of the OP, when augmented with collaboration with astrophysics faculties of universities could make a great tool for the space agencies.

So, yeah, under his frothing at the mouth demeanour, the trolly gypsy actually made a couple of salient points. Pity they made suh a poor show of presenting them.
 
what is this thread about?

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Interesting post, trolly flame bate title? Check. Pronto use of "game is doomed" trope? Check. Nonsencicle ramblings? Che.... Hold on....

Hes kind of off the wall in the way he goes about it, but his post has two points, one is that gameplay / depth of similutaion / verisimilitude wise p2p model networking really hurts the game. But, the second thing Gypsy12 goes on about is the potential monetary value of the seemingly sceintifically super accurate galaxy simulation that Anthony Kay Ross built in "stellar forge" the engine that made our galaxy. There have been a couple of times that the engine "Got it right" where it predicted stars and earth likes within a few light years of where keppler and other exoplanet programs actually find them. This, as suggested, but not in the trolly wording of the OP, when augmented with collaboration with astrophysics faculties of universities could make a great tool for the space agencies.

So, yeah, under his frothing at the mouth demeanour, the trolly gypsy actually made a couple of salient points. Pity they made suh a poor show of presenting them.

Yes I did. But you got it about right. How does one present topics like this on a forum? The point of the thread was a direct attack on FD and their business model. FOR ME PERSONALLY! I felt very saddened that they did not bring it to the potential they could have.
Its extremely saddening that A: Others don't have a clue what im talking about! And B: The real scientific loss that this entails.
 
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I know its a bit of a statement, But this here game is doomed.


Why? What is ol' Gyp peeved with now?


Well, id better get it done before the flame cannons kick in. I have always loved Elite, and played it on the model B. I knew some basic BASIC and Machine Code. And I was well impressed with what DB and IB achieved. Man, that was a beautifully written piece of software.


And then DB had 20 years to think about it. Ill stop now on that topic, and express what DB realized:
1: I just made a RNGish Galaxy of 400 billion suns. How do I fill it up?
2: What network model do I use? Ah, server based.
3: Whoops, now I need to fill this 400 billion star system up myself, as everything is now server side. I love my intellectual property and that's that.
4: Control is everything, even though the kind folks kickstartered me.
5: Do I need help with this? NO!

How it is in reality - and what I would have done, and what I would do now:

1: First off, fess up. How am I going to do this: I just made 400 bil Systems, and I have to have some quality control.
2: I will have to concentrate on the bubble (remember the limited bubble during Alpha?) This means I will have to introduce VERY different factions of mankind (Perhaps digital vs analog or other sentient races with wildly varied ship and culture designs)
3: I will make a trading system that makes sense. That means I have to build a server that specifically tracks the market realistically. So, I need to pay for that. With 100,000 players, im gonna need a petabyte server. Or more.
4: That is going to cost too much to maintain.
5: Just give up and redesign the entire system as P to P. Offload the data.
6: Give Universities the code to enable them to introduce new objects. So you need a way of editing placement. Its so stupid that FD model a realistic simulation of our galaxy and WE DONT GET TO REFINE IT. YOU ARE A GAME COMPANY BUT ARE DEALING WITH ADVANCED TOPICS THAT CAN REFINE OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE GALAXY. Are you stupid to the financial benefits or what? Its about time FD realise that. It is just insensible. Do the people who program ED actually realize what they are doing? It's amazing stuff, and it is being wasted.
Utterly wasted and this is my core concern with the way FD behaves. You could have a serious responsibility, but you shun it.

It's a shame.

Gyp out.

Er, my dude - it didn't fail
 
At the beginning, I was giving the rant a 9. But it petered out at the end and left me disappointed. I'm giving that a 2.
 
400 billion sun to fill up with content. Hope you live a long life.

Which is, why they can't stop failing just yet!
So much to do.

Honestly.
Can't see Frontier accelerate their glacier development. Opportunities ahead!
Elite keeps creeping on for millennia, being a galaxy and all .....

Opportunities!
Elite already sold. Next chapter will be: "Elite, a life time!"
 
I get a bit frustrated when people talk about 'potential'. I like the game I bought & seem to spend an inordinate amount of time justifying why I should be able to continue to play the game I already enjoy to satisfy people who don't play any more. Just move on buddy, or stick a few suggestions in the suggestions section.

The premium starter pack (vanilla plus horizons plus some skins) was on sale recently for £16. A four year old £16 game isn't going to change so much that if you were bored before, you won't still be bored no matter how much stuff there is to find out there.
 
ED hasn't failed by any measure. It has lasted 4 years and is still selling. The profits have pushed FD from being an obscure gaming hopeful to a self publishing developer. That's pretty big.

It's not everything to everyone, but it's the best spaceship flying game to have ever existed up until now. Even those who sing its doom song have bought it and put in a ridiculous number of hours into it.
 
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