Release Trade Computer Extension Mk.II

Hi Eventure


Ah yes mine is set to 100LY so will set it to 20 and see how things go
Will get back to you on that..

dee...

I normally have mine set to 40LY and it displays fine with no appreciable lag.

I only set it to a higher figure when I am looking for specific trading opportunities.
 
Hi there,

how big is your selected Trade Range? By default, there is a 10 sec. delay till the panel opens, but it can take longer, if your selected Trade Range is quite big (> 100 LY's).
It was set at 100. I have now changed it to 50.

Looking at what the summary panel displays, I'm sure why it's tied to the trade range. But then I don't know the magic code that makes it work either, so maybe I shouldn't worry about it.

edit* Changing to 50 LY has not helped me. I can pop into a system and travel 400LS before TCE pops up the system summary. Also, I was almost setting down on the landing pad before it realized I was out of SC and at the station (Orbis).

edit2* After playing a few hours, it appears the real problem is that it takes a long time for TCE to realize I have jumped to a new system. When traveling, I am often in hyperspace to the next system before TCE updates for the system I jumped to. Said another way, when A-B-A trading, I am often about to drop out of SC to the station before TCE updates to me even being in the current system.

FWIW: System specs: i7 2600K, 16 GB ram, 256 GB SSD, 780ti.
 
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edit2* After playing a few hours, it appears the real problem is that it takes a long time for TCE to realize I have jumped to a new system. When traveling, I am often in hyperspace to the next system before TCE updates for the system I jumped to. Said another way, when A-B-A trading, I am often about to drop out of SC to the station before TCE updates to me even being in the current system.

How many netlog file reside at your netlog folder? If there are hundreds, it could delay also the detection scan.
 
I have to say I really do love this tool, at first it was pretty useless as you are forced to visit each system you want info on, but honestly it's realistic! :D
Some may call it cheaty (I for sure did before propperly testing) because it makes pretty much all info you need about every system you visit available within a few clicks, but lets face it, the technology is MUCH more advanced in year 3302, thinking about it now makes me wounder why something like this isn't in the game itself!

Also the automatic backups <3<3<3 It have saved me a few times when it somehow glitches out when I try adding a star that somehow corrupts the database.. (restoring to backup and then adding the same star with the exact same info worked though..)

However there is one suggestion wich would make me love you even more if you'd implement, and it's that it prompts you to input wich system/dock you're at if it doesn't know, rather than just showing "sector X" or "unknown system"
 
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How many netlog file reside at your netlog folder? If there are hundreds, it could delay also the detection scan.
If you mean the products/elite..64/logs folder, there are 344 items. It looks like about half are netlog and half are debug. Do I need these? Can I delete some/all?

edit* I removed all but the 6 most recent netlogs. No change. Still slow detecting that I have hyperjumped to new system.
 
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If you mean the products/elite..64/logs folder, there are 344 items. It looks like about half are netlog and half are debug. Do I need these? Can I delete some/all?

edit* I removed all but the 6 most recent netlogs. No change. Still slow detecting that I have hyperjumped to new system.

Okay, last try is to check the Region Range, if you selected a Region Center. You can deselect the Region Center only at the TCE.ini file (last entries) by now. Replace the ID and Range with a zero to remove the Region Center selection.
With the next update, you will be able to remove it out of TCE. Additionally there will come some performance improvements of the position detection.
The update is aimed for the comming weekend.

However there is one suggestion wich would make me love you even more if you'd implement, and it's that it prompts you to input wich system/dock you're at if it doesn't know, rather than just showing "sector X" or "unknown system"

Hi MirSar,

you talking about the logbook entries? If you add a station, the Sector ID is replaced by the name of the station. Why you don't add it to the database, instead of wanting to enter a name manually?
Star system names are shown at the logbook with an additional "unknown", because the system is unknown to TCE. Please show me, why you need a manual entry of something, you don't want to add to your database.
Thanks.
 
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Okay, last try is to check the Region Range, if you selected a Region Center. You can deselect the Region Center only at the TCE.ini file (last entries) by now. Replace the ID and Range with a zero to remove the Region Center selection.
With the next update, you will be able to remove it out of TCE. Additionally there will come some performance improvements of the position detection.
The update is aimed for the coming weekend.
Thanks Eventure. I have not selected a Region Center. Looking forward to the update :) .
 
Hi MirSar,

you talking about the logbook entries? If you add a station, the Sector ID is replaced by the name of the station. Why you don't add it to the database, instead of wanting to enter a name manually?
Star system names are shown at the logbook with an additional "unknown", because the system is unknown to TCE. Please show me, why you need a manual entry of something, you don't want to add to your database.
Thanks.

Ahh I think you misunderstood what I was trying to explain, most systems and stations are already in the database with propper info, but when I visit somewhere for the first time, it doesn't know what dock I'm at and I have to click "Database" > "Markets" > "New Entry" > Then select "Market Name" from the dropdown menu.
What I would like is that when I dock, TCE comes upp the same way as when you travel to another system with the system summary, and an option to click 1 place to tell TCE what dock I'm currently at :)
(or that it automaticly detects, but I assume there is a technical reason why you havent done that already)


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Ahh I think you misunderstood what I was trying to explain, most systems and stations are already in the database with propper info, but when I visit somewhere for the first time, it doesn't know what dock I'm at and I have to click "Database" > "Markets" > "New Entry" > Then select "Market Name" from the dropdown menu.
What I would like is that when I dock, TCE comes upp the same way as when you travel to another system with the system summary, and an option to click 1 place to tell TCE what dock I'm currently at :)
(or that it automaticly detects, but I assume there is a technical reason why you havent done that already)

Ah, thanks for your explaination.

There is no proper way in detecting if your are docked, or not. Also you could be at a resource extraction site or combat zone, which are of course not a station. With adding locations like stations, ports, combat zones, etc. you teaching TCE to detect them properly when arriving again to that point. TCE working quite differently to other 3rd party apps in case of detecting your position in space, because it takes the Sector ID and positional X/Y/Z coordinates within a sector into account. So it recognizes your current location automatically, when it was stored before. As far as I know, no other app doing it that way.
 
Thanks Eventure. I have not selected a Region Center. Looking forward to the update :) .

Hi Eventure.

I to have not selected a Region Centre but I find it strange that TCE will be ok one second and then take ages
for the next also I am now seeing TCE take a while to record a new station(market) sometimes it will do it
in seconds other times it cane take up to five minutes before the 59 second countdown..

thanks dee...
 
Ah, thanks for your explaination.

There is no proper way in detecting if your are docked, or not. Also you could be at a resource extraction site or combat zone, which are of course not a station. With adding locations like stations, ports, combat zones, etc. you teaching TCE to detect them properly when arriving again to that point. TCE working quite differently to other 3rd party apps in case of detecting your position in space, because it takes the Sector ID and positional X/Y/Z coordinates within a sector into account. So it recognizes your current location automatically, when it was stored before. As far as I know, no other app doing it that way.


I see, so basicly FD would need to expand the Verbose logging to make this possible :)
Yeah I've not seen anything even remotely close to what you've done with TCE, and I'm highly impressed! [up]

But an idea strikes to mind here, but it would require a collective online database that TCE connects to in addition to the local database.
Basicly, if TCE detect's an unknown Sector, it queries the online DB and checks if that sector have any information available, if yes add it to the local DB.
If the online DB does not have any info on that sector, the player can add information to the online DB and make it available for everyone else.

I fully understand that this would require a lot from your end, not just in the code, but also a server with a DB that can handle the amount of requests... :/
Would be A LOT better if FD could make this a bit simpler by expanding the Verbose logging or make this simpler in some other maner though.
 
...Basicly, if TCE detect's an unknown Sector, it queries the online DB and checks if that sector have any information available, if yes add it to the local DB.
If the online DB does not have any info on that sector, the player can add information to the online DB and make it available for everyone else...
No thank you.

I don't know how many want what, but I prefer TCE not become a crowd sourced anything.
 
Eventure,

I came across a star system today in the bubble. I landed at a planetary outpost, and went to add the entry as new market. It said "unknown star system" even though in the 'current position' box, it correctly showed the system I was in.

I figured something was up because the star system name has an apostrophe ' in it. So I went to Database/stars/modify entry and sure enough, the system is listed, but without the apostrophe.

What should I do in this situation?

FYI, the system name according to ED is "Baltah'sine".
 
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Eventure,

I came across a star system today in the bubble. I landed at a planetary outpost, and went to add the entry as new market. It said "unknown star system" even though in the 'current position' box, it correctly showed the system I was in.

I figured something was up because the star system name has an apostrophe ' in it. So I went to Database/stars/modify entry and sure enough, the system is listed, but without the apostrophe.

What should I do in this situation?

FYI, the system name according to ED is "Baltah'sine".

What I would do is Modify that entry, rather than Delete it and then have create it from scratch.
 
Eventure,

I came across a star system today in the bubble. I landed at a planetary outpost, and went to add the entry as new market. It said "unknown star system" even though in the 'current position' box, it correctly showed the system I was in.

I figured something was up because the star system name has an apostrophe ' in it. So I went to Database/stars/modify entry and sure enough, the system is listed, but without the apostrophe.

What should I do in this situation?

FYI, the system name according to ED is "Baltah'sine".

What I would do is Modify that entry, rather than Delete it and then have create it from scratch.

As bAdbUd said, modify the entry and add the apostrophe. TCE should recognize thereafter the system and the "unknown star system" label vanishes.
 
It was set at 100. I have now changed it to 50.

Looking at what the summary panel displays, I'm sure why it's tied to the trade range. But then I don't know the magic code that makes it work either, so maybe I shouldn't worry about it.

edit* Changing to 50 LY has not helped me. I can pop into a system and travel 400LS before TCE pops up the system summary. Also, I was almost setting down on the landing pad before it realized I was out of SC and at the station (Orbis).

edit2* After playing a few hours, it appears the real problem is that it takes a long time for TCE to realize I have jumped to a new system. When traveling, I am often in hyperspace to the next system before TCE updates for the system I jumped to. Said another way, when A-B-A trading, I am often about to drop out of SC to the station before TCE updates to me even being in the current system.

FWIW: System specs: i7 2600K, 16 GB ram, 256 GB SSD, 780ti.

I had a very similar problem to what you are describing. I could scan a star and jump to a different system before the system summary panel would appear and my Trade Range was set to 45ly. What fixed it for me was to create a backup of my database using the TCE database operations tab, I put mine on my desktop, then completely delete TCE and do a clean install using the 1.1.5 installer. I then used it for about an hour to make sure that all was working fine and then using the database operations tab restored my backup. Since then I have not had a problem. I would suggest that once you have done the clean install you could re-load your old database without a problem.
edit - I actually timed it and it was taking TCE 3 minutes to start and 2.5 minutes to open the system summary screen
 
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