Triple Elite, Admiral, King, Multi-billionaire ... all artificially min/maxed. Am I the only one?

My primary account (the eponymous Cmdr Truesilver) is:

1. Elite (Combat)
2. Elite (Trade)
3. Elite (Exploration)
4. Admiral
5. King
6. Multi-billionaire

However ...

... as I min/maxed each and every one of the above, not cheating or using exploits as such, but eventually 'achieving' each one (after in some, though not all, cases a traditional legit start) in the most artificial, cheap and contrived time-efficient fashion (I have never left the bubble except for my Palin 5k Ly, for example) ... I haven't put myself in the Triple Elite Hall of Fame, nor shall I.

I'm not really sure whether this thread is intended as a confession or a boast. I think in truth it's neither. What intrigues me is more the question once posed by the late Kurt Cobain:

"Am I the only one?"

Of course I know that there will be many Cmdrs out there who have achieved all of the above in the most traditional fashion and I hope and expect that they enjoyed their long journey.

But about the short journeys ...

... any other straight-A's min/maxers out there?

i am terrified of getting to the point you are at... personally i am goal orientated and once i get to those points i do not think i will enjoy playing as much.
that said, given the whole raft of rules i have put in to slow me down i am a long way off yet - and if ever i needed a bigger cooler to slow me down, i now have a child! :D
 
Definitely no shortage of min/maxers. It's a thing. Whether that's "artificial" or not seems rather subjective, though.

For my part, I'm committed to reaching all these milestones in a manner that is 100% organic, dolphin safe and carbon neutral. That way I can forever look down my nose with smug condescension upon those puny mortals who didn't, and take great pride in myself for being superior.

It's the perfect plan.
 
Just got to combat Elite at Xmas after 3 years and zero exploits and at the time I realized that my trade rank wasn't that far away either (Tycoon + 70%) must have been all the CG's ;), I've a bit to go on exploration, Ranger +60% but I recently found the Road to Riches site and that's boosting my exploration rank significantly and all in the bubble (5000 ly for Palin convinced me I'm no explorer!).

More importantly for me I don't feel that I ground/grinded anywhere along the way and as mentioned in an earlier post there should be a fun rank!

PS CQC rank Helpless :(
 
When I bought the game I knew I would want to get to Elite, because that's the point of the game, for me. Once I had the game I saw there were now three Elite targets, but exploration wasn't something I bought the game to do, and earning money had only ever been a means to an end in previous versions of Elite - you earned money by any means in order to afford the upgrades to make getting to Elite quicker, trading & exploring (to find new income sources).[...]

But I also knew it was only a matter of time & persistence to get to Elite, if you stick with it eventually you will get there. It's not a test of skill particularly, it's a test of endurance, and I was up for that, so I challenged myself to get to Elite within a year, to re-earn my Acornsoft badge (my avatar).

Getting to Combat Elite 100% legit was a big personal goal for me when I bought Elite Dangerous, because back in the 1980's I had to leave my Speccy switched on for a full week just to get to Dangerous (I simply could not get the tape to save).

Unfortunately I abandoned that goal (I don't view it as achieved) but there was a reason...

Well it's a personal goal, how you achieve them (and whether you can hold you head up high against your own personal standards) is up to you of course.[...]

If you aren't proud of an achievement it's not an achievement, it's just a thing you did. Set yourself a lofty goal & a set of rules. Take a personal journey to push yourself and find out what kind of person you really are, and regardless of whether you actually manage it or not, be proud of yourself for not giving up.

I suppose in my case, the personal goal mutated, in early 2015, to becoming as good at PvP as I possibly could within the triple constraints of my slowing forumdad reactions, lack of online gaming experience, and limited playtime.

So I chose to sacrifice all other in-game goals I ever had, to that one.

i am terrified of getting to the point you are at... personally i am goal orientated and once i get to those points i do not think i will enjoy playing as much.
that said, given the whole raft of rules i have put in to slow me down i am a long way off yet - and if ever i needed a bigger cooler to slow me down, i now have a child! :D

That's because you're still true to your original goal...!

(But yes, forumdad in every sense here also, see above about slowing reactions and limited playtime...)
 
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My primary account (the eponymous Cmdr Truesilver) is:

1. Elite (Combat)
2. Elite (Trade)
3. Elite (Exploration)
4. Admiral
5. King
6. Multi-billionaire

However ...

... as I min/maxed each and every one of the above, not cheating or using exploits as such, but eventually 'achieving' each one (after in some, though not all, cases a traditional legit start) in the most artificial, cheap and contrived time-efficient fashion (I have never left the bubble except for my Palin 5k Ly, for example) ... I haven't put myself in the Triple Elite Hall of Fame, nor shall I.

I'm not really sure whether this thread is intended as a confession or a boast. I think in truth it's neither. What intrigues me is more the question once posed by the late Kurt Cobain:

"Am I the only one?"

Of course I know that there will be many Cmdrs out there who have achieved all of the above in the most traditional fashion and I hope and expect that they enjoyed their long journey.

But about the short journeys ...

... any other straight-A's min/maxers out there?

Yep very much this for me too. I have no interest in doing things non optimally. Life is too short for the level grind sandro imposes on this game. Lately, apart from mat gathering for 3.0 I don't undock for less than 100 mil/hour.
 
Well, for the combat rank, I went from Deadly to Elite by...

++ MOBILE USERS LOOK AWAY NOW ++
++ COMBAT RANK SPOILER INCOMING ++

...going to Lave, dropping into the 'Civilian Broadcast' permanent feature, and blowing up the Elite-ranked Radio Sidewinder with plasma slug rail guns (hit hard, 128T fuel tank, infinite ammo), then menu-quitting on the cops, logging back in and repeating several hundred times.

I mean, I did love that the Developers thoughtfully provided a wide variety of scripted humorous comments from said victim during this escapade to keep me entertained, but that's pretty artificial, right? And yet, of course, I doubt anyone can propose anything faster. A true min/max.

Note: Cmdrs considering emulating the method in the spoiler above would be well-advised to do so before enhanced 3.0 C&P kicks in, as the system is not an anarchy. It also works very well for SLF rank but be aware that if both you and the NPC are levelling up, combat rank gain will be shared.

haha - brilliant :D
 
My primary account (the eponymous Cmdr Truesilver) is:

1. Elite (Combat)
2. Elite (Trade)
3. Elite (Exploration)
4. Admiral
5. King
6. Multi-billionaire

However ...

... as I min/maxed each and every one of the above, not cheating or using exploits as such, but eventually 'achieving' each one (after in some, though not all, cases a traditional legit start) in the most artificial, cheap and contrived time-efficient fashion (I have never left the bubble except for my Palin 5k Ly, for example) ... I haven't put myself in the Triple Elite Hall of Fame, nor shall I.

I'm not really sure whether this thread is intended as a confession or a boast. I think in truth it's neither. What intrigues me is more the question once posed by the late Kurt Cobain:

"Am I the only one?"

Of course I know that there will be many Cmdrs out there who have achieved all of the above in the most traditional fashion and I hope and expect that they enjoyed their long journey.

But about the short journeys ...

... any other straight-A's min/maxers out there?
More video game virtue signaling.

It's a video game. Whatever you have fun doing, do that. If you feel guilty as if triple elite is some sort of valor, that's too bad. Do what makes you feel right.

On my second account, I made elite and billionaire in 1 day. Is that a high mark? No. I knew I could do it which is why I wanted another account, because I'll be damned if I'm going to start over with all the little fetch missions to get a ship I can keep in a different "reality" of sorts.
 
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Am I the only one!

Well not quite I suspect.

Last time I checked I was triple Elite about 2 years ago.
I was King/Admiral about a year before Engineers landed so I was able to unlock just about every Engineer to level 5 in about 3 weeks and I have multiple god rolls in storage just for the hell of it.
Quite a few nice discoveries I was able to put my name to also.
Credits 8 billion but I don't spend much these days.
2900 game hours.
Combat Elite. Python before the nerf also in the early days of Elite I would sometimes get lucky Res spawns that would throw wave after wave of only Elite Sidewinders and Eagles after me.
Trade Elite . Just the Grind!
Exploration Elite. I must admit this was just fly out scan 3000 Neutron stars (ticked each one off the list) and flew back straight to Elite.
And a little boast from me I was able to achieve top 10 commander in both the last Thargoid combat Cg when we got 2 for the price of 1.
Fly safe
CMDR Q!!!!
 
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Yep very much this for me too. I have no interest in doing things non optimally.

My brother in spirit!

I suppose thinking about it, min/maxing has been in Elite Dangerous DNA from the outset.

I think I'm right in saying that Cmdr 1%, who won Frontier's cash prize for first to Triple Elite, and has No.1 in the Hall of Fame, did the combat rank part by AFK turret farming next to a Capital Ship (in those days, its kills counted as your kills).

Last time I checked I was triple Elite about 2 years ago.
I was King/Admiral about a year before Engineers landed so I was able to unlock just about every Engineer to level 5 in about 3 weeks and I have multiple god rolls in storage just for the hell of it.
Quite a few nice discoveries I was able to put my name to also.
Credits 8 billion but I don't spend much these days.
2900 game hours.
Combat Elite. Python before the nerf also in the early days of Elite I would sometimes get lucky Res spawns that would throw wave after wave of only Elite Sidewinders and Eagles after me.
Trade Elite . Just the Grind!
Exploration Elite. I must admit this was just fly out scan 3000 Neutron stars (ticked each one off the list) and flew back straight to Elite.
And a little boast from me I was able to achieve top 10 commander in both the last Thargoid combat Cg when we got 2 for the price of 1.
Fly safe
CMDR Q!!!!

Ha ha ha now that's some serious min/maxing right there, Cmdr Q ...

EDIT: LOL at the meme from @Tiny_Rick above. Normally my threads are quite serious and about figures and combat mechanics. This one is far more trollolo so I was fully expecting the gloves to come off in the comments, and quite rightly so...
 
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On my second account, I made elite and billionaire in 1 day

I find that hard to believe. Unless you don't mean that you got to elite and billionaire from scratch in one day and that it just so happened that you made elite and billionaire on the same day?!
 
My brother in spirit!

I suppose thinking about it, min/maxing has been in Elite Dangerous DNA from the outset.

I think I'm right in saying that Cmdr 1%, who won Frontier's cash prize for first to Triple Elite, and has No.1 in the Hall of Fame, did the combat rank part by AFK turret farming next to a Capital Ship (in those days, its kills counted as your kills).



Ha ha ha now that's some serious min/maxing right there, Cmdr Q ...

EDIT: LOL at the meme from @Tiny_Rick above. Normally my threads are quite serious and about figures and combat mechanics. This one is far more trollolo so I was fully expecting the gloves to come off in the comments, and quite rightly so...

Why did you bother going all the way on those ranks?
I don't see how this benefits your PvP gaming.
 
I play the game the way i want. I have been playing since 2014. And i couldnt care less what my rankings are. Just have fun!!
 
Grats on Triple Elite, but lets not give ourselves a trophy of purity by saying you achieved this without cheating, then literally saying you cheated by quitting to the menu to get rid of cops on your tail.

I have campaigned for and even started threads about increasing the menu quit timer or even abolishing it altogether during combat ... but so long as it is in the game, using it on NPC's in Solo is simply one component part of the most time-efficient min/max. Until 3.0 the cops can't scratch you anyway and have no mass lock, it merely saves a few seconds not to have to retract and supercruise and drop back in. Just like flipping the menu board, or any other type of relog. Sorry but as a PvP player I'm not going to deny myself the same benefits in terms of speed of turnover that those who argue with me on this forum about such things possess. I merely deny myself the use of this regrettable Frontier-approved technique in PvP (just as of course I will also not mode switch or use any other technique to avoid PvP pursuit). I am cleaner than clean in PvP and have been for three years. But the limit of my honour is where other players are concerned. Beyond that, I have none. The min/max is all. I will welcome the day when Frontier get rid of the darn thing ... but for everyone, not just by choice.

Edit: I would add that I 100% admire your principles on this but I'm afraid it all went out of the window long ago, so far as NPC's are concerned. One example: a year ago everyone who's into PvP was at 17 Draconis doing the skimmer massacre missions. You stacked missions, hovered above a base, fired a dumbfire, rinsed & repeated hundreds of times, collected 200 million/hr. I'm afraid that it's nice to think that everyone was retracting hard points and jumping to orbital cruise like good rurlplayers, then dropping back in, to force-refresh the skimmers while under fire from the guard ship ... but unreal. Everyone was just menu quitting on the guard ship to force-refresh the skimmers asap, reappear in the precise same location and fire another dumbfire. Retracting and orbital cruising would just have dropped the income from 200 mil/hr to less than 100 mil/hr due to wasted time ... 100 mil/hr lost when you're working against the clock in a completely artificial scenario was never going to happen. Anyone who thinks that's what the hundreds of guys concerned were doing between each dumbfire is thinking wishfully. So that's the truth and that's the min/max, I'm sorry.

The missing elephant in the room involves small fighters and a tad of skills. Just saying.

You mean my two years of Courier PvP vids? By all means check out my YouTube channel or guides to manoeuvring, such as Truesilver's Top Tips, No.1: Circle Strafing:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...silver-s-Top-Tips-Beginner-s-Guide-VR-PvP-Vid

or No.2: Using Fixed Weapons:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...s-No-2-Beginner’s-Guide-Courier-v-FdL-PvP-vid

But if you mean CQC ... unlike some PvP players I am not rude about CQC skills but I would point out that using fixed weapons that you have to aim yourself within the main game's rather more developed flight model, targeting model, build model and pip management model also requires skills.

I will forestall anything to be said about engineering and skills by pointing out that my record in the completely unengineered PvP league was 6-0. (Admittedly I did have great team-mates.)

But here's a true story: the one and only time in this game I beat a guy 100% hull to 0% hull in a duel, both of us shieldless, in almost identical ships, unengineered - a win 100 to 0 - he literally did not hit me once - the guy in question had just beat a well-known PvP-er 10-0 in CQC.

I'm going to repeat that: a guy who beat a well-known PvP-er 10-0 in CQC I beat in main game 100% hull to 0% hull, not hit once, unengineered in almost identical ships.

That doesn't mean that he was bad at CQC, of course ... but there are differences.

I will not put names on a public forum but would do so in a PM.

Edit: Of course, if CQC rank conferred any main game PvP outfitting benefit (see below) fer sure the min/max brigade would have been out in force long ago, probably taking turns to kill each other as quickly as possible in pre-arranged player group circles.

Why did you bother going all the way on those ranks?
I don't see how this benefits your PvP gaming.

The only part of no current use is Admiral and King, which are beyond the unlock ranks of Corvette and Cutter. They were just future-proofing in 1.4, before Frontier closed the lid on plentiful and cheap donation missions. A part of the min/max is to seize the opportunities when they are still there.

The trade and creds are obvious and are linked, of course.

The combat and exploration elite ranks provide much more frequent access to the applicable elite-ranked missions, which in turn are much more likely to provide g5 mats (this has all been confirmed by Dom of Frontier). Maxing out my rank in combat and exploration only took a couple of evenings of play each and has provided me with a rich harvest of g5 mat missions. Furthermore, as part of the same tactic, the exploration data from that particular min/max made me Allied with every single minor faction in my home system and several nearby.

So basically the benefit of the combat and exploration rank components come back to 2.1 RNGineering.

I will freely admit that if the Materials Trader had, at that time, been announced, I wouldn't have bothered.
 
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