Ships Type 8 worse for mining than the Python?

I have been tinkering with my Type 8 in order to see what kind of mining ship I can make out of it, and I'm coming to the conclusion that it's actually worse for mining than the Python.

Even though the Type 8 has significantly more cargo capacity (406 vs. 294 tonnes), it has one quite bad drawback in that regard, which might not sound at first like it is, but it actually is: The Type 8 has only 9 optional module slots while the Python has 10.

Why does that matter? Well, consider that this is the composition of my current mining Python:

Class 6: 6E cargo rack
Class 6: 6E cargo rack
Class 6: 6E cargo rack
Class 5: 5A fuel scoop
Class 5: 5H Guardian FSD booster
Class 4: 4A refinery
Class 3: 3C mining multi-limpet controller
Class 3: 3A shields
Class 2: 2G planetary vehicle hangar
Class 1: 1I detailed surface scanner

That leaves 192 tonnes of cargo, and leaves room for some nice extras, like an SRV hangar and a FSD booster.
So how could the Type 8 possibly be worse than this? Well, consider that this is the best comparable build I can come up with:

Class 7: 7E cargo rack
Class 6: 6E cargo rack
Class 6: 6A fuel scoop
Class 6: 6D shield generator
Class 5: 5H Guardian FSD booster
Class 5: 5A collector limpet controller
Class 4: 4A refinery
Class 2: 1D prospector limpet controller
Class 1: 1I detailed surface scanner

Note that I sacrificed the SRV hangar for having separate prospector and collector limpet controllers (the alternative being putting a 3C multi-limpet controller in the class 5 slot. Wouldn't make much of a difference with respect to the point of this post.)

And the total cargo space is... what do you know, 192 tonnes. Exactly the same as with the Python. The only way to have more cargo space would be to sacrifice some other module for a cargo rack, such as the FSD booster, or using a multi-limpet controller and replacing either the shields or fuel scoop with something much smaller.

The problem is, as mentioned in the beginning, that while the ship has a lot more space for cargo, it only has 9 module slots instead of the Python's 10, and here it makes a crucial difference. If the Type 8 just also had 10 module slots...

"Ok, you have made the Type 8 pretty much equal to the Python in terms of mining features, perhaps just sacrificing the SRV hangar. What makes it so much worse?"

The fact that the Python has much better hardpoints than the Type 8. Depending on what kind of mining you want to do, a single class 2 hardpoint might not be enough.

I would be willing to sacrifice the hardpoints for the extra cargo space... except that the Type 8, ironically, doesn't have extra cargo space, compared to the Python (at least not without a significant module sacrifice).
 
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T-8 as a mining rig suffers from really Crap PD and lack of medium mining lasers. Having one less internal is not that bad as the PD and hardpoints

However, a rather workable laser/subsurface mining rig could be this build: 192t of cargo, size 7A ULC (8 limpets), 5 modified mining lasers and 1 subsurface launcher (for whatever SSD may be tempting you) and the rest of the trinkets you have in your build

I'd dare to say it's decent, but a Python would be way better IMO (size 7 PD can power 3-4 medium mining lasers - the python is basically, again IMO, the second fastest laser miner after the front_hatch_Conda build)

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The PWA is completely skippable, replacing it with another shield booster may be a better idea.
 
Pre-engineered mining lasers are fairly essential. Weapon focused distro helps. I use 4x pre-engineered and 1x C2, with an abrasion blaster in the top C1 hardpoint. 2A refinery is perfectly adequate, the C4 slot is better used for your shield.
 
Yes

Pre-engineered mining lasers take away the possibility to do other mining type. 2x C2 mining lasers are very much needed for laser naming. So the T8 can only do Lser mining or ssd/abrasion mining. Python can do both at the same time.

About your builds: You need to use a-rated prospect limpets. Those get more fragments.
 
I didn't even know there's such a thing as "pre-engineered mining laser". I'll have to check that out, out of curiosity if nothing else.
 
I've thought about trying out the T8 for 'in the black' mining. But I'm a bit concerned over PP and PD. My old Python build (haven't used for a year or so) could fire it's lasers all day long, but, without some testing, I'm not sure the T8 is capable of doing so. Guess I'd should give it a go... :unsure:
 
I didn't even know there's such a thing as "pre-engineered mining laser". I'll have to check that out, out of curiosity if nothing else.
Be ready for the need to get LTT 198 permit first. Only there can be purchased upgraded small mining lasers (You can have one if participated in mining CG long time ago). For permit You need to be allied with the Torval Mining Ltd minor faction. Im slowly getting it myself now 😎


Reddit post about T8 as mining vessel: Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/1envock/analysis_type_8_as_a_miner/
 
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I didn't even know there's such a thing as "pre-engineered mining laser". I'll have to check that out, out of curiosity if nothing else.

Yea, they have 50% less PD Draw, which makes them perfect for the ships with small PD - and 4 of them are almost as good as 2 normal medium mining lasers
If you already have the LTT 198 permit, the materials needed for them are not that hard to get - even if you dont have any osmium stashed, you can buy it from carriers not far from LTT 198
 
I've thought about trying out the T8 for 'in the black' mining. But I'm a bit concerned over PP and PD. My old Python build (haven't used for a year or so) could fire it's lasers all day long, but, without some testing, I'm not sure the T8 is capable of doing so. Guess I'd should give it a go... :unsure:
When it comes to mining, you can count on r/eliteminers to have done all the numbercrunching already. The TL/DR to the thread already linked by Martind Forlon here is that the Type 8 sucks for laser mining owing to the distributor and lack of medium hardpoints. That pre-engineered small mining laser opens up some potential that would otherwise not be there, but it's not enough to change the rule that by the numbers, small hardpoints are not worthwhile for laser mining.

Could still be a decent core/abrasion outfit though.
 
OK... so... maybe it's just because I'm not a miner... but... Fuel Scoop and FSD booster? Why are they needed?

I was under the impression that mining "In the black" was usually supported with an FC... and mining in the bubble... don't you just mine in the target system, dock into a better hauling vessel you got transferred while mining, then go somewhere to sell?
 
That's generally the idea.

Here's mine, it's for tritium farming to refuel the carrier out in the black https://edsy.org/s/vOlB92H
It's as good as 3x C2 mining lasers, (or near enough) though you can't have decent zapping power, an abrasion blaster and sub-surface missiles all at once, so the Python is still a better all rounder. But if you focus it at one task, the T8 can be pretty great.
 
OK... so... maybe it's just because I'm not a miner... but... Fuel Scoop and FSD booster? Why are they needed?
They aren't needed. They are nice to have.

It's always a good idea to have at least some kind of fuel scoop so you don't get yourself accidentally stranded and have to call the rats. As for the FSD booster... well, I suppose you can always do the extra jump or two, no biggie.

Also, I don't have a fleet carrier.
 
I suppose that if I throw out the FSD booster, this would give more cargo space in the Type 8:

Class 7: 7E cargo rack
Class 6: 6E cargo rack
Class 6: 6E cargo rack
Class 6: 6D shield generator
Class 5: 5A fuel scoop
Class 5: 5A collector limpet controller
Class 4: 4A refinery
Class 2: 1D prospector limpet controller
Class 1: 1I detailed surface scanner

for a total of 256 tons.

(But then, if I do the same with the Python, I get more cargo space there as well. Maybe 32 tons less, but still. I'm still not sure it's enough to offset the worse hardpoints.)
 
The hardpoints on a Python are way better than those on a T8. the only decent mining tool that can use a 1 weapon slot is the abrasion blaster.

The main problems with all your builds are the lack of collectors, a single 5A gives you 3 collectors, which is way to few for any decent mining.

My Python set up for SSD/Tritium mining, to convert for core mining just swop out one of the sub surface displacement missiles for an Seismic charge launcher. 8 collector limpets.

My T9 laser miner 512 ton with 15 collectors. Even with 15 I now have to wait before moving on to the next rock.
 
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