My thoughts:
- I already have Python, Cutter, and Anaconda dedicated mining ships. Is the T8 good enough to warrant the time, cost, and effort of replacing any of these?
- I haven't used my medium sized Python mining ship in several years. I'm not sure why I would. I admit 95% of my mining has been for Tritium out in deep space.
- Other than the fun of trying a new ship, I don't see a compelling reason to use the T8 for mining. Maybe if I didn't already have 3 dedicated mining ships I would consider it.
Nope.
It can be a quite fast miner, more nimble than the Conda. I do prefer to do laser mining in a 320t capacity Conda tho
Usually my Python build is about 192t, so it may be better for shorter mining sessions
Precisely.
T-8 is best used as a trader / medium hauler. In the mining role it kinda sux, but still, it can work if one really wants to use a T-8 for this role.
You are still wasting a lot of space with the large shields, 4a refinery and 2 limpet controller. You are also using only 3 collectors and 1 prospector, severely limiting your collecting capacity
If you go for 7A ULC build , you can have 8 limpets out, in any combination you feel appropriate (6 collectors + 2 prospectors, 7+1, 5+3 etc) and still get 224 tons cargo (without GFSD booster) and if you dont have access to prismatics, normal 4A is good enough
I'm using this: https://edsy.org/s/vfIN1nU now and restoring osmium small deposit on FC which I have used for buy small engineered lasers. Initial testing is clear, weapons focused PD is good idea, my first mined rock depleted energy for lasers at 15% remaining. 11 collector limpets is nicely fast with filling cargo with fragments. Type-8 maneuverability around rock is very good. T8 drift is almost nonexistent, so moving towards/breaking rock is very smooth.
Additional observation. armored PP (monstered) have no temperature issue with fuel scooping (lvl6). Overcharges lvl4 was too much for comfortable fast fuel scoop. Ship speed limit for prospector safe release is below 100 m/s (using 3A controller in lvl4 slot).
Additional observation. armored PP (monstered) have no temperature issue with fuel scooping (lvl6). Overcharges lvl4 was too much for comfortable fast fuel scoop. Ship speed limit for prospector safe release is below 100 m/s (using 3A controller in lvl4 slot).
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I think your thoughts are right on the money. Python remains the best M-pad mining candidate, the Type 8 will only be dethroning it for cargo hauling potential. Could probably be a nice exploration vessel too, a bit less jump range than the Phantom but you get the better SCO effects and I think it's the same number of optional slots.
It has a LOT less jump range than the Phantom, but can you fit a 7A scoop which is nice.
Only potential issue with running multiple mining lasers at the same time is possible thermal runaway. For example, I updated my python mining build (posted earlier) so it's now running three 2D mining lasers. On this build, firing three lasers together results in a stable ship temp of 41%. If I add a fourth 2D laser, it goes into runaway with the temp climbing through the roof. A monstered low emissions PP may (or my not) help with that (out in the black currently, so can't test), but best not to go mad with them.
That said, the T8 does seem to have pretty decent thermals in general, so...
That said, the T8 does seem to have pretty decent thermals in general, so...
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Too bad Type 8 is hampered by distro and lack of medium hardpoints. It has absolutely perfect aesthetics for a mining ship.
That said, my current favourite mining ship is Type 7, which is similarily limited (I don't have T8 yet). But it looks properly industrial and the yaw rate makes it sooo nice for getting around the asteroids. So I guess I'll build a T8 rig just for roleplay—Python just doesn't have the looks of a mining ship, it's too flat and triangular, even with the hazard kit fitted.
I think the mining lasers need a rebalance—the small ones should have way less distro draw, making them more energy efficient than medium at the expense of mining speed. This is how things work in most real-life situations, after all: a 1.1 liter 3-cilinder engine is way less powerful than a Top Fuel dragster engine, but it will get you much farther on a full tank
That said, my current favourite mining ship is Type 7, which is similarily limited (I don't have T8 yet). But it looks properly industrial and the yaw rate makes it sooo nice for getting around the asteroids. So I guess I'll build a T8 rig just for roleplay—Python just doesn't have the looks of a mining ship, it's too flat and triangular, even with the hazard kit fitted.
I think the mining lasers need a rebalance—the small ones should have way less distro draw, making them more energy efficient than medium at the expense of mining speed. This is how things work in most real-life situations, after all: a 1.1 liter 3-cilinder engine is way less powerful than a Top Fuel dragster engine, but it will get you much farther on a full tank
Yeah, the Python looks like a futuristic luxury passenger liner, not a dirty industrial mining ship.
I think the mining lasers need a rebalance—the small ones should have way less distro draw, making them more energy efficient than medium at the expense of mining speed. This is how things work in most real-life situations, after all: a 1.1 liter 3-cilinder engine is way less powerful than a Top Fuel dragster engine, but it will get you much farther on a full tank
You basically just described the pre-engineered mining lasers. Much longer range too. Seriously get some when you're back in the bubble.
If you like the T7 I think you'll like the T8, it flies really nice.
Already have that on the backlog
I don't mine often, so it's not priority nr.1 for me, but they do look nice.If you have deployed a prospector limpet and you want to deploy another one to prospect another asteroid, how do you get rid of the first one so that you don't needlessly control two?
I never get rid of the first one, but if you really want to, just turn the prospector limpet controller off and on again. Or fire your ECM--kills all limpets in range dead
You need to watch the video "The Little Limpet".I never get rid of the first one, but if you really want to, just turn the prospector limpet controller off and on again. Or fire your ECM--kills all limpets in range dead
The easiest way is to use a separate prospector limpet controller.
My normal setup is to have collectors and lasers on main trigger, prospector on 2nd trigger
second fire group if fitted is sub surface displacement missile and pulse wave scanner
third fire group is seismic charge launcher and abrasion blaster
The reason for putting both collectors and lasers on main trigger is that it saves you having to have an extra group for collectors and it activates a new limpet immediately if one fails.
It kind of makes no sense that the class-7 universal limpet controller can control 8 limpets, but the class-7 collector limpet controller can only control 4 limpets. There's quite literally no reason to use a class-7 collector limpet controller instead of a universal one...
(The universal controller is slightly heavier than the collector one, but with those weights it doesn't make much of a difference...)
My thoughts. Fly what you want to fly. Do what you want to do in the ship you want to do it in.
And if some Tefal head wants to crunch numbers, tell them they are welcome, but you will do what you want to do.
If mining in a Sidewinder is your thing, then it doesn't matter if a Python or Anaconda or a Type 7 does it better. What matters is you are happy.
All these people want to do is kill your happiness because they think that everything should revolve around optimization.
And if some Tefal head wants to crunch numbers, tell them they are welcome, but you will do what you want to do.
If mining in a Sidewinder is your thing, then it doesn't matter if a Python or Anaconda or a Type 7 does it better. What matters is you are happy.
All these people want to do is kill your happiness because they think that everything should revolve around optimization.
Some people aren't happy until everything has been min-maxed to absolute perfection.
Yes, I use them in 3 of my miners, but I still use a separate prospector limpet controller for prospectors which allows the use of 8 collectors from the universal limpet controller.
If you use a dedicated prospector limpet controller preferably an A rated controller the yield off the asteroid is higher than the lower rated or multi-controllers and there is no problems with deploying as many prospector limpets as you wish because when you have the maximum prospector limpets deployed as soon as you fire a new prospector limpet the oldest deployed limpet will expire.
As for min-maxing no, its more a guide to get a balanced setup that will work easily without to many problems or hold ups, some of us mine on a regular basis for a variety of reasons.