Type 9 - Roll supposed to be slow/er as Pitch / Yaw?

[jacozilla]

Question for veteran type 9 pilots - just got mine and while expected the lumbering slow speed, slow pitch and yaw - my type 9 also has an incredibly slow roll.

All other ships I've flown, no matter how bad the pitch/yaw, roll seemed to be very agile - even the type 7 spins on roll axis very quickly.

But my type 9 - with throttle at optimum blue band - just doing one rotation via roll takes glacial amount of time. It is almost as fast or seems faster to use slow pitch or yaw than to roll - that's how slow the roll is.

Is this your experience / normal as well?

*Edit - incredible, I timed it via stopwatch and it takes ~18 seconds!! Almost 18 seconds to do ONE full roll rotation 360 degrees. This is either a bug for me or just really going to take getting used to if this is normal for everyone.

 

[thorn-]

It handles just like a large freighter... (as it is one).

 

[Ginrikuzuma]

Its normal, I too was surprised at it first, I've flown the T6 and T7 as well so I was expecting a slow turner but the T9 is indeed a space whale.
You can offset the slowness a bit by upgrading thrusters (at least D grade for the weight reduction personally mine are 7C since I do at times fight the occasional pirate that interdicts me and I might get 7A since they both weight the same)

 

[jacozilla]

Argh. Well, guess I will have to get used to it then. I'm using A FSD (but still such incredibly short legs) and D everywhere else to save weight.

Plan on upgrading thrusters to get even whatever minimal improvement I can but the A/B costs a bundle so will prob grab C first.

I was expecting sort of progression of Type 6 -> Type 7 as well. Figured it would be slower, more lumbering, but it's night/day between the 'freighter' feel of going from the other Lakon freighters to the type 9.

Evading interdiction isn't even going to be an option I'm guessing, will have to just submit and boost to jump again. Tried once and the roll/pitch/yaw is so slow, can't possibly line up the escape vector other than once in awhile lucky chance.

Kind of disappointed that shielded, it only gets 360 tons to the Python 272 ton I gave up to upgrade. Unshielded the 400 tons is ok improvement over Python but man, the cost of how lumbering it and making former trade routes that was like 3-4 jumps into 8-9 jumps is pretty off setting.

 

[Captain Hammer]

I will never run my type-9 without A7 thrusters and A6 Distributor. the distributor could be smaller but for an extra 2Mill Might as well go with the A6

Kind of disappointed that shielded, it only gets 360 tons to the Python 272 ton I gave up to upgrade. Unshielded the 400 tons is ok improvement over Python but man, the cost of how lumbering it and making former trade routes that was like 3-4 jumps into 8-9 jumps is pretty off setting.

i do not know where you are getting your numbers from but unshielded the type-9 gets 528T of cargo

with this build you can get 496T of cargo
even just going with A5 shields without the boosters are better than what the 6E gives.

personally i do not even bother with the boosters i just run 1 chafe launcher and 3 heat sinks. unless its a player you should have no problem getting away from npc

you should count your proffit margins by thousand Crds a min. so a route with less jumps might make less money total but it could make more money per min. my rout is about 95K a min

 

[veryinky]

For some insane reason the Type-9 has a 1000 ton hull even though it's a big empty box. Hull must be made of uranium or something. In comparison the Anaconda has a 400 ton hull.

Piloting a Type-9 is soul crushingly awful. Don't do it. Get a python set up for trade, 280 tons of cargo, can land at outposts, much less horrible.

 

[jacozilla]

I will never run my type-9 without A7 thrusters and A6 Distributor. the distributor could be smaller but for an extra 2Mill Might as well go with the A6


with this build you can get 496T of cargo
even just going with A5 shields its better than what the 6E gives.

How much does the A7 help over the D7 for increasing pitch, yaw, and roll? If I had the cash I'd spring for it but right now I'm flying with insurance and 1 cargo replacement money.

Betsy the Sloth will just have to earn upgrades slowly.

 

[Ginrikuzuma]

I was expecting sort of progression of Type 6 -> Type 7 as well. Figured it would be slower, more lumbering, but it's night/day between the 'freighter' feel of going from the other Lakon freighters to the type 9.

Evading interdiction isn't even going to be an option I'm guessing, will have to just submit and boost to jump again. Tried once and the roll/pitch/yaw is so slow, can't possibly line up the escape vector other than once in awhile lucky chance.

Kind of disappointed that shielded, it only gets 360 tons to the Python 272 ton I gave up to upgrade. Unshielded the 400 tons is ok improvement over Python but man, the cost of how lumbering it and making former trade routes that was like 3-4 jumps into 8-9 jumps is pretty off setting.

Well they do call it the T9 Heavy
Yeah as a fed pilot that loves to frequent imperial space (I'm currently doing the 100 stop tour actually lol) you just have to accept the fact you will have to submit to interdictions. Maybe with an A grade thruster it might be different but at the moment I got C grade and I can't evade them.

I don't recommend my build (my jump range is balls a bit over 12.5ly with full cargo and fuel but I get 404tons with shields.
If you are curious as to my build however its both on my link under the fleet tab should I update it, but at the moment I got this.
You could sell the weapons and downgrade the distributor and powerplant to D grade to save on weight (again same with thrusters if you can bear with C but I set mine up with the expectation I might get A later) and squeeze a better distance. Its just that I do occasionally fight my would-be NPC assailants (I have no doubts, I would get destroyed by a half-decent human pilot and would be better off either going for their demands or installing some SCBs )

 

[jacozilla]

I will never run my type-9 without A7 thrusters and A6 Distributor. the distributor could be smaller but for an extra 2Mill Might as well go with the A6


i do not know where you are getting your numbers from but unshielded the type-9 gets 528T of cargo

with this build you can get 496T of cargo
even just going with A5 shields without the boosters are better than what the 6E gives.

personally i do not even bother with the boosters i just run 1 chafe launcher and 3 heat sinks. unless its a player you should have no problem getting away from npc

you should count your proffit margins by thousand Crds a min. so a route with less jumps might make less money total but it could make more money per min. my rout is about 95K a min

Oh damn, thank you very much for the catch. Yes, I was wrong - I missed seeing the default Class 7 rack it had in the one Class 8 rack can be upgraded. So I just left that in there and filled the rest with class 7-6-5-4 etc.

Well that is certainly good news. Now I just have to make the long trip back to Delaine territory to buy the class 8 rack and some upgrades. Knowing I have that extra cargo now, think I will run shields instead of risking totally unshielded.

Thanks for the 496T cargo link, I will definitely use that build

 

[Captain Hammer]

Thanks for the 496T cargo link, I will definitely use that build

Happy to help a fellow Typ-9 Cmdr

How much does the A7 help over the D7 for increasing pitch, yaw, and roll? If I had the cash I'd spring for it but right now I'm flying with insurance and 1 cargo replacement money.

Betsy the Sloth will just have to earn upgrades slowly.

It's a noticeable increase but don't break the bank upgrading to soon. Always keep your insurance money handy. And if you can't pay for insurance go to solo. Npc are way more predictable than people.

 

[Captain Hammer]

For some insane reason the Type-9 has a 1000 ton hull even though it's a big empty box. Hull must be made of uranium or something. In comparison the Anaconda has a 400 ton hull.

Piloting a Type-9 is soul crushingly awful. Don't do it. Get a python set up for trade, 280 tons of cargo, can land at outposts, much less horrible.

Modern military aircraft are made of high grade composite material & metal alloys which are light weight and strong. Which explains the price difference and the hull mass between the 2 ships. The Typ-9 essentialy being a large steel box

 

[Robert Maynard]

She's not affectionately referred to as the "Space Cow" for nothing....

 

[Firestarter]

I've sold my T9 but I had the 496T build. You really have to look ahead when piloting the T9. Advanced driving school sort of stuff. It turns so slowly you can't just yank it back on to the correct path. When approaching the slot be prepared to stop, if you see another T9 coming the other way there is no evasive action you can take other than stop and back up.

The only reason to have a T9 is for money printing at trading. I was making 3-5 mill in 1-2 hours. It's not difficult but it is hard work because you have to concentrate. If you loose it while full of cargo you're looking at a 8-9 million loss. It goes without saying, don't leave port without insurance or you'll be looking at a 110 million loss.

 

[Ginrikuzuma]

I've sold my T9 but I had the 496T build. You really have to look ahead when piloting the T9. Advanced driving school sort of stuff. It turns so slowly you can't just yank it back on to the correct path. When approaching the slot be prepared to stop, if you see another T9 coming the other way there is no evasive action you can take other than stop and back up.

Or just boost make it a tug-o-war

 

[Firestarter]

Or just boost make it a tug-o-war

Been there, done that. The horrible scrapping and grinding noises as we both jammed into the ever spinning slot still haunt me.

 

[jacozilla]

I will say this as a tip for future readers - it is definitely worth taking a small jump range reduction by upgrading to at least C7 thrusters instead of D.

hadnt noticed at first but if you use a 496 ton cargo build, it puts you just a tiny bit over the optimal thrust max of the D7 thruster, and had no idea such a small overage would make that much difference but as much as the type 9 is a space whale, with the D7 thrusters and fully laden, its a crippled space whale.

C7 isnt going to make the ship nimble, not what i'm saying - but noticeably better control than the over burdened D7 if you're running 496 ton spec

 

[Commander Dave]

I'm running 500 tons with an A5 shield in my Yellow Space Cow.


The reason the T9 rolls so slowly compared to the other ships is down to its mass distribution. The T9 is much, much wider than the other cargo ships. More mass away from the rotation axis = slower rotation times.
Remember the ice skater with her arms held close?
That's the Anaconda and the T7.
When she opens her arms wide she spins much more slowly. That's the T9.
It's called conservation of angular momentum.

 

[fruitbat]

You'll get used to it. Made 300 million in trade and 160 million in seeking luxuries in my type nine, before I traded it in for a conda. I did use to run my type 9 with A thrusters and A distributor just for some semblance of comfort. Conda doesn't carry quite so much, but when you can, change straight away, it's an absolute pleasure to fly after the type 9.

Type 9 sets you up for life though, I owe it that, and won't forget that.

 

[GW42]

Conda doesn't carry quite so much, but when you can, change straight away, it's an absolute pleasure to fly after the type 9.

Type 9 sets you up for life though, I owe it that, and won't forget that.

I'd echo everything above, but especially this bit. I've just made the switch to a trade conda and it's much nicer. Still feels big, but much nicer to fly. And the jump range makes a big difference coming from the T9

 

[jacozilla]

I'd echo everything above, but especially this bit. I've just made the switch to a trade conda and it's much nicer. Still feels big, but much nicer to fly. And the jump range makes a big difference coming from the T9

yea that's my current goal, to milk this space cow fast as i can to get into an anaconda, and then it's off to the meat plant for the cow....