UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

[Tigorath]

I would like to confirm that Thargoid ARE in the game. Good luck commanders.

 

[LordZoltan]

I would like to confirm that Thargoid ARE in the game. Good luck commanders.

I would like to confirm that too.

Thanks for your contribution. Most enlightening.

 

[Allant Doran]

I would like to confirm that Thargoid ARE in the game. Good luck commanders.

I'd actually be willing to bet that even if this ends up being true that it isn't currently true xD

 

[Molith]

      . I understand what you guys are saying 100%, and I think I might not be explaining what I mean properly, it's not my area of expertise at all. Let me talk to my very clever music theory friend to clarify what I mean, and I'll get back to you

I did just look somehing up I read ni a paper; here: (This takes you to the section headed 'But Other Cultures Have Different Musical Scales!') http://arxiv.org/html/1202.4212v1/#sec_4_2_0

That whole thing is interesting.

For humans, yes, although the paper itself states, that there are a few cultures with significant differences (it references e.g. the Nasca culture). And yes, although the theory of music might explain a lot around human musical culture, it does not explain how e.g. animals perceive music.

If we assume that the UP is of alien nature, then there are a lot of assumption to be made such that the theory of music might match:
- Do these aliens can hear?
- How is their ear built? Do they have an identical perception of cyclic pressure variation of an atmosphere as we?
- Do these "sounds" form the same idea of a sound in their brain?
- Do their brain works the same way as ours do?

We find barnicles on planets without atmosphere, the transmissions of UA and UP have been recorded in space. It is physically impossible that we can "hear" these sounds. Therefore they must be something different.

I would suggest to interpret these sounds simply as electro-magnetic transmissions at various wavelengths. The ships (or SRV) systems simply transform these transmissions into something our ear can perceive, as we lack a sense for electro-magnetic transmissions. The only exception are our eyes which can see waves from ~390nm to 700nm. In audio, this would be less than an octave (which would be from 390 up to 780).

 

[Edd Jordan]

I would like to confirm that Thargoid ARE in the game. Good luck commanders.

i would like to confirm that you can confirm that a Thargoid is in the game. are you talking about bob?

 

[Darth Ender]

For humans, yes, although the paper itself states, that there are a few cultures with significant differences (it references e.g. the Nasca culture). And yes, although the theory of music might explain a lot around human musical culture, it does not explain how e.g. animals perceive music.

If we assume that the UP is of alien nature, then there are a lot of assumption to be made such that the theory of music might match:
- Do these aliens can hear?
- How is their ear built? Do they have an identical perception of cyclic pressure variation of an atmosphere as we?
- Do these "sounds" form the same idea of a sound in their brain?
- Do their brain works the same way as ours do?

We find barnicles on planets without atmosphere, the transmissions of UA and UP have been recorded in space. It is physically impossible that we can "hear" these sounds. Therefore they must be something different.

I would suggest to interpret these sounds simply as electro-magnetic transmissions at various wavelengths. The ships (or SRV) systems simply transform these transmissions into something our ear can perceive, as we lack a sense for electro-magnetic transmissions. The only exception are our eyes which can see waves from ~390nm to 700nm. In audio, this would be less than an octave (which would be from 390 up to 780).

Sound? The probes don't emit sound, they emit em waves that your ship for whatever reason translates to sound.

Nothing about that would relate to the biology of the creators necessarily

 

[Nagual]

I would like to confirm that too.

Thanks for your contribution. Most enlightening.

I can confirm this. From this post

 

[CookieJarviz]

I think we're getting closer The UA's encoded 6 bit values in a similar way (tuba sounds) and they encoded a 3D wireframe image of the scanning ship.

As Zenith said, we need multiple recordings over much longer lengths.

current theory is the binary tuba encodes data which needs the sphere/key to decode. e.g 4 types of values will be encoded
A data group starting 010 Rottaional Period
A data group starting 011 Number of Orbits out from Star
A data group starting 100 Planet axial tilt
A data group starting 001 Planet Radius

or somesuch

Rob

Having longer lengths would not matter. the probes transmission is 6 minutes. so you would need to record for 7 minutes for good measure.

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I'd actually be willing to bet that even if this ends up being true that it isn't currently true xD

you would be losing a bet

 

[CMDR Davanix]

I can confirm that There is an alien race in the game. I can also confirm they are associated with Denton Patreus and come from the Andromeda galaxy. Hold on to your tinfoil hats people the Lizards are coming.................

 

[LordZoltan]

I can confirm this. From this post

*mind blown*

 

[pocketmoon]

Having longer lengths would not matter. the probes transmission is 6 minutes. so you would need to record for 7 minutes for good measure.

Hmm... in the 10 minutes of 'UP On Merope 5C' audio the binary doesn't repeat. I was hoping for a really long sample to find a repeating pattern which then allows us to determine where the pattern starts.

 

[DubbleJoe Seven]

smile someone loves you

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=735211854

taken from orbit around hip 17225 A 1

 

[Molith]

I feel I need to correct one point there.
Yes, musical theory differs between cultures. It's why european music can be distinguished from arabic or asian music, even if it's played on the same instrument.

However, niceness of tones and chords is entirely down to the laws of nature.
The sounds we find pleasing to the ear also happen to follow physical rules of waves.
The Fundamental Frequency in music is 440Hz, which equates to the note A.
Double that frequency to 880Hz and you get the First Overtone.
I wonder if there is something to be found in the harmonics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time–frequency_analysis_for_music_signals

I did not refer to the specifics of an octave, which is double the frequency. I did refer to the semitones used. Please have a look at a publication (28.07.2016) in the Nature: Indifference to dissonance in native Amazonians reveals cultural variation in music perception.

My point is: If two tones are "nice" (consonance / harmonic) or "not nice" (dissonance / inharmonic) is something a humans learns, i.e. influenced by culture.

Btw.: OUR fundamental frequency is 440hz for some instruments. You might want to take a look at Concert Pitch. It is nothing that is inherent to nature, but something humans have simply defined.

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Sound? The probes don't emit sound, they emit em waves that your ship for whatever reason translates to sound.

Nothing about that would relate to the biology of the creators necessarily

Which is what I wrote in the next two paragraphs.

 

[Popov Le Magnifique]

Last year I studied the UA purrs and could notice some repeating blocks across different UA recordings, except the howls were "reversed". I think I deleted everything when I realised I was going nowhere and eventually agreed with bitstorm in that the purrs may just be the UA breathing (health indicator), with its pitch getting higher as it decays.

 

[CMDR Davanix]

Guys i know its most likely a texture glitch but did anybody spot this at wreck sites in space? Also got a massage the video also shows to upgrade my firmare reboot my systems from a private data beacon so i did..... Nothing happened but a fail repair but was a bit strange as no credits or transaction mission?

Most likely nothing but i put it on here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlwnf8RRU8c

 

[Yaffle]

Just a quick reminder - this is not the place for you to be digging around in the game files, it's a place where people work stuff out by hypothesis, testing, more testing, observation, more hypothesis, more testing...

FOR THE SCIENCE not for the hacking.

 

[Vitamin Arrr]

I have said it before and I will say it again. I don't think we have the right recording yet!

Myhre's recording is exelent qualiy, but it lacks two significant features to be sure.

First, I think we need to start the recording by disco scanning the UP. This is to ensure that it is actually active.

Second, thwe recording should be minimum 13min. long, to ensure one full loop of the 6min + total transmission.

After we have this recording, we can analyze the purrs and make sure it loops. If it does not loop, we can asume that only the first 6min after the disco scan is valid data. If it loops, we need to find a start character ('---'?).

When we have determined that we actually have a message, we can start to worry about the content of it.

Why are you all so certain that these "purrs" (which you converted to binary after speeding up the audio) are the only information in that message?

There is a lot going on in that sound aside from just the "purrs". Between 1.35khz and 1.8khz we have three "waves" (look like sine waves) that modulate at various points. This could be a carrier wave upon which a Hilbert function could extract a signal. Then you have the background chords that make the whole thing sound like a creepy child's music box when sped up. Then, between 740-1200hz, you have the "chirps" and other little nick-nacks that were partially analyzed at https://kloopy.com/edaudio/ (although his set of chirps differs from the one gathered on Merope 5C's surface as I've previously mentioned which no one seems to care). I also noticed other than the two main chirps, there is a very faint higher-pitch one, which is heard almost like a "whistle" when the three modulating waves modulate a lot.

But yet, all you guys are focusing on is the low-frequency "purrs"... why?

 

[Allant Doran]

Just a quick reminder - this is not the place for you to be digging around in the game files, it's a place where people work stuff out by hypothesis, testing, more testing, observation, more hypothesis, more testing...

FOR THE SCIENCE not for the hacking.

Just want to say you have no idea how happy I am that the moderator/dev community here enforces this rule so much. It actually makes the Frontier community one of the most fun to be part of. Data mining killed a lot of gaming mystery and fun for me. I want to keep it at bay forever xD

 

[Popov Le Magnifique]

I thought my post was important to point out that looking in the game files is useless as you can name a folder, a file, a variable anything you want, it doesn't mean its name matches its function. Oh well.

 

[CookieJarviz]

Just a quick reminder - this is not the place for you to be digging around in the game files, it's a place where people work stuff out by hypothesis, testing, more testing, observation, more hypothesis, more testing...

FOR THE SCIENCE not for the hacking.

pressing a few buttons is not hacking. (click. click. o look! a folder!) seriously.