UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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Great question... I don't have the raw transmissions from either. Is that info collated anywhere? The thread moves so fast it becomes hard to even check :)

I know what you mean :) I've tried to keep my own record of transcriptions, but only have one good recording from pleiades sector kc-u b3-1 8. Just snippets from elsewhere.
 
Wail4 code broken !

The numbers in the first column must be read a bit differently (starting in octal) :
(They are same for both KC-U B3-1 8 and RO-Q B5-0 7)
2 07 (oct) => 2 x 07 (dec) => N2
1 22 (oct) => 1 x 18 (dec) => Ar
2 10 (oct) => 2 x 08 (dec) => O2

The second column of number are the partial pressures :
KC-U B3-1 8 :
588.371 ; 50.312 ; 0.227
Partial pressures : 284.13 (N2) ; 24.37 (Ar) ; ??? (O2)

RO-Q B5-0 7 :
1233.069 ; 68.12 ; 0.337
Partial pressures : 595.87 (N2) ; 32.72 (Ar) ; ??? (O2)

Ratios KC-U B3-1 8 / RO-Q B5-0 7
0.477 ; 0.739 ; 0.674
Partial pressures : 0.477 ; 0.744 ; ???

The Argon ratio is not quite perfect, but the N2 is, also considering how well it explains wail4
I bet it's right. Test : check the UP near a planet with an atmosphere of different composition.

As a bonus we now know the pressure of the thargoid world :

since 588.371 is 284.13 atm, it means that 1 atm = 2.071 Tatm (thargoid atm XD)
Great work! + rep (virtual)
 
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Wail4 code broken !

The numbers in the first column must be read a bit differently (starting in octal) :
(They are same for both KC-U B3-1 8 and RO-Q B5-0 7)
2 07 (oct) => 2 x 07 (dec) => N2
1 22 (oct) => 1 x 18 (dec) => Ar
2 10 (oct) => 2 x 08 (dec) => O2

The second column of number are the partial pressures :
KC-U B3-1 8 :
588.371 ; 50.312 ; 0.227
Partial pressures : 284.13 (N2) ; 24.37 (Ar) ; ??? (O2)

RO-Q B5-0 7 :
1233.069 ; 68.12 ; 0.337
Partial pressures : 595.87 (N2) ; 32.72 (Ar) ; ??? (O2)

Ratios KC-U B3-1 8 / RO-Q B5-0 7
0.477 ; 0.739 ; 0.674
Partial pressures : 0.477 ; 0.744 ; ???

The Argon ratio is not quite perfect, but the N2 is, also considering how well it explains wail4
I bet it's right. Test : check the UP near a planet with an atmosphere of different composition.

As a bonus we now know the pressure of the thargoid world :

since 588.371 is 284.13 atm, it means that 1 atm = 2.071 Tatm (thargoid atm XD)


The discord im in figured out the first part. but the 2nd part not so much. +++ rep!
 

Michael Brookes

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@Michael Brookes, may i ask you to share with us your impressions regarding the recent discoveries and research made in this thread ? (sorry for my bad english).

How do you feel about it ?

I think it was most impressive. I was a little worried at times at the direction people were taking, but exploration of ideas is part of the fun :)

Michael
 
top left arc = atmosphere
top right arcs = not signal, but heat from star
bottom left lines = some measure of distance between two points
bottom right line= radius

??
without a clearer image of the left panel, we may never understand what it means though.

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oh wait, if we take the two arc (( to be a solar symbol, the right panel makes sense. a solar symbol, a craft "coming into the system" near it, then another point far away. 5c? or somewhere else? maybe if we can measure the distance between \ / on the main sphere, we can map it onto the right panel and find out how far away from system entrance we need to travel (still doesn't give us direction though)
 
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If the 4th wail does indeed have 3 parts, then that's sufficient information to place an o0bject in 3d space. However, without knowledge of the co-ordinate system (origin, units) that's not useful.

On the other hand, if we assume a sensible co-ordinate system some likely candidates can be converted to our system using matrix algebra:

Cartesian co-ordinates: we need an origin (a, b, c), and three direction vectors ((d, e, f), (g, h, i), (j, k, l)) - although the restriction on requiring right angles between the vectors reduces the problem space to Primary Vector (c, d, e), Secondary Vector rotation (f) and Tertiary vector sign bit (g). If this assumption is valid, we need 8 data points to solve it. Issues related to alien units wash out in the length of the direction vectors.

Spherical polar co-ordinates (including celestial co-ordinate systems): Also require an origin (a, b, c), but we also have to establish a polar vector (d, e, f), a meridian (g) and a distance (h). The polar vector and the meridian might be established naturally from the origin body, but until we've solved the equation we have no idea about the body. Also, alien measurements of angle and length don't fall out of this formulation as conveniently.

Of course, this is assuming that the algebra is tractable, and I'm currently too lazy to put in the spadework to find out.




On a completely different note, the different format of wail 4 might suggest a slightly different notation to the other wails. We measure celestial co-ordinates in degrees, minutes and seconds. The last two terms of each triplet follow the divisor format, but there might be another operation between the first two terms we need to think about. Addition or subtraction makes no sense, exponential might work but gives us some wacky numbers.
 
@Michael Brookes: could you clear up a little mystery for me...

During the prep for the Jaques jump, you said:
Capital ships don't supercruise, neither do stations. They're too big - they use older hyperspace drives.

But then in the aftermath, you said:
No, they use the same technology as frame shift drives, but the energy is colossal (the requirements for regular ships are huge too) so has more effect when entering normal space.

Which is it? :)

You've said that FSD is a recent technology in the Elite universe, and that up until six(?) years ago humans were using the older hyperspace drives; and that explains why the bubble is so small, and why the galaxy is so relatively unexplored. We're the first humans to have the ability to explore without the week-or-more travel time, and the powers are only now adapting to this.

Who invented FSD? Why are there so many ship parts around with logs that suggest explosions during experimental drive testing?

It's also lore I believe that the Thargoids were always better at Hyperspace than us, and could go great distances.

The UAs and UPs do look like they're partly frame shifted. Did we reverse-engineer it from them?
 
Wow. Threadnaught CMDRs: Brilliant work. I wasn't concentrating for a day or so, and Bam! a whole succession of successes.

You are all - well some of you ;-) - geniuses and very very clever. Without your dedication to science where would we be? Virtual reps all round.

So what can a CMDR in the Pleiades sector usefully do in practical terms? I was certainly never gonna solve the scary sound-to-maths-to-message puzzle. Fiendishly difficult!
 
If the 4th wail does indeed have 3 parts, then that's sufficient information to place an o0bject in 3d space. However, without knowledge of the co-ordinate system (origin, units) that's not useful.

On the other hand, if we assume a sensible co-ordinate system some likely candidates can be converted to our system using matrix algebra:

Cartesian co-ordinates: we need an origin (a, b, c), and three direction vectors ((d, e, f), (g, h, i), (j, k, l)) - although the restriction on requiring right angles between the vectors reduces the problem space to Primary Vector (c, d, e), Secondary Vector rotation (f) and Tertiary vector sign bit (g). If this assumption is valid, we need 8 data points to solve it. Issues related to alien units wash out in the length of the direction vectors.

Spherical polar co-ordinates (including celestial co-ordinate systems): Also require an origin (a, b, c), but we also have to establish a polar vector (d, e, f), a meridian (g) and a distance (h). The polar vector and the meridian might be established naturally from the origin body, but until we've solved the equation we have no idea about the body. Also, alien measurements of angle and length don't fall out of this formulation as conveniently.

Of course, this is assuming that the algebra is tractable, and I'm currently too lazy to put in the spadework to find out.




On a completely different note, the different format of wail 4 might suggest a slightly different notation to the other wails. We measure celestial co-ordinates in degrees, minutes and seconds. The last two terms of each triplet follow the divisor format, but there might be another operation between the first two terms we need to think about. Addition or subtraction makes no sense, exponential might work but gives us some wacky numbers.

It's already been decoded. It's a list of the top 3 elements in the atmosphere, their chemical symbol and mass in the atmosphere. :)
 
Thx, it was great fun.

Though I'm still a bit confused by the "key". I can "see" the atmosphere and the radius, but gravity and temperature... not so much XD

What I got from the 'key' that I'm sure you got to, is the octal number system and the fact that the 'message' contains data about planets.

Whether or not the angles on the globe represents an ammonia atom, I don't know. It's not that important now. :D
 
If the 4th wail does indeed have 3 parts, then that's sufficient information to place an o0bject in 3d space. However, without knowledge of the co-ordinate system (origin, units) that's not useful.

On the other hand, if we assume a sensible co-ordinate system some likely candidates can be converted to our system using matrix algebra:

Cartesian co-ordinates: we need an origin (a, b, c), and three direction vectors ((d, e, f), (g, h, i), (j, k, l)) - although the restriction on requiring right angles between the vectors reduces the problem space to Primary Vector (c, d, e), Secondary Vector rotation (f) and Tertiary vector sign bit (g). If this assumption is valid, we need 8 data points to solve it. Issues related to alien units wash out in the length of the direction vectors.

Spherical polar co-ordinates (including celestial co-ordinate systems): Also require an origin (a, b, c), but we also have to establish a polar vector (d, e, f), a meridian (g) and a distance (h). The polar vector and the meridian might be established naturally from the origin body, but until we've solved the equation we have no idea about the body. Also, alien measurements of angle and length don't fall out of this formulation as conveniently.

Of course, this is assuming that the algebra is tractable, and I'm currently too lazy to put in the spadework to find out.




On a completely different note, the different format of wail 4 might suggest a slightly different notation to the other wails. We measure celestial co-ordinates in degrees, minutes and seconds. The last two terms of each triplet follow the divisor format, but there might be another operation between the first two terms we need to think about. Addition or subtraction makes no sense, exponential might work but gives us some wacky numbers.

Wail 4 is solved - atmospheric composition.
 
What I got from the 'key' that I'm sure you got to, is the octal number system and the fact that the 'message' contains data about planets.

Whether or not the angles on the globe represents an ammonia atom, I don't know. It's not that important now. :D

Hmm, it's pretty unsatisfying.
I think when a mystery is solved, there should be be a 'Doh! Obvious' feeling.
I'm not getting that with the image at all.
 
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