UAs, Barnacles & More Thread 6 - The Canonn

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Even if you take them into another nebula?

Edit: And have you tried having a meta alloy in your cargo hold whilst the UA scans you, in another nebula?

A jetisoned UA will always point to Merope. Only free floaters, sometimes points elsewhere.
I have been scanned with MA in the hold. Not in another nebula though.

Once an MA is scooped, it turns into a regular cargo container.
 
A jetisoned UA will always point to Merope. Only free floaters, sometimes points elsewhere.
I have been scanned with MA in the hold. Not in another nebula though.

Once an MA is scooped, it turns into a regular cargo container.
Hmm thank you kindly, but for my theory to be tested it would have to be in another nebula... Did you happen to notice any discrepancies to the normal UA behavior when you were scanned with the MA in the hold?
 
Hmm thank you kindly, but for my theory to be tested it would have to be in another nebula... Did you happen to notice any discrepancies to the normal UA behavior when you were scanned with the MA in the hold?

Put it on hold until Barny starts spawning MA again. Then you can take an UA to CN and do a few ground tests at the same time. We are not in a hurry at the moment. Nothing will happen until the hole system is running smoothly.
 
Put it on hold until Barny starts spawning MA again. Then you can take an UA to CN and do a few ground tests at the same time. We are not in a hurry at the moment. Nothing will happen until the hole system is running smoothly.

Actually it would need to be anywhere but CN. If my theory were correct, then CN has already been seeded by mistake (or deviously on purpose) and tests would be inconclusive. Although... the UA could point to a star in CN, most likely one similar to Merope if possible... then that could also part prove the theory...

Edit: But I do see your point, if the process is bugged anywhere it may be pointless doing any tests whatsoever. I'm still over in the Eagle nebula at the moment anyway, which is why I came here with the idea rather than trying myself. Hopefully things are fixed by the time I get back in.
 
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Don't be. We wiped out their advanced scouting party with a virus. They might be somewhat peeved by that.


For me the UAs are searching for those Scouts MB has spoken about a couple of years ago now. It just seems more and more obvious that the UA are looking for something and seem to have found it. They scan every ship. And then transmit that in wireframe morse. In what way is that not telling us they are looking for a specific type of ship and just before Horizons was released, they found it - change in behaviour and point to location of discovery. Then we found the barnacles and we thought they were pointing at them so FDev added Barnies else where to make us question our conclusions. i.e. the Barnies are not what the UA are pointing at. Nor are the Barnies the thing that the UA have found. What do UA do? Scan Ships....

Very interesting theory, out of rep though.

Mine is a bit different but shares similarities. If we say the Thargoids are behind it and not the INRA (in which case that theory would be completely different), the UAs are just working as probes sent by the Thargoids to do some recon before they arrive. They were programmed to find the Pleiades, scan celestial bodies to know if things had changed (the bubble, etc.) and then scan ships to see what they will be up against. Right at the same time they formed a protective shell around the Pleiades to establish their bubble. The protection mechanism hasn't been activated yet. Barnies are just there to provide them with enough material to repair/build their ships (too bad we decided to harvest the hell out of them). So when they come and they see the state of some Barnies, they won't be really happy about that. Why are there some Barnies in the California Nebula now? Well Thargoids like to plant Barnacles in some Nebulae apparently. That's the common factor.

So IMO, they were looking for a few things indeed: the Pleiades and us. They have found both, they're prepping their arrival.
 
Indeed - it is generally a colloquial term for hyperspace, although it does have certain connotations.

Michael

Thanks for that, I had thought I might have missed something important in lore.

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Now, on that thought: are we absolutely certain that "Unknown Probe" is not just a term that the galactic community have taken to calling the UA for reasons that have not yet been made clear to us. Perhaps it has been decided that they are in fact probes, but it hasn't made it to Galnet? I mean, the UA's behaviour does seem rather probe-like.... I know a lot of people on here have at times been convinced that they are in fact some form of Von-Neumann probe...

It's just that I have been having trouble keeping up to date with the thread again for while, but I am still trying my best.
 
I think you'll all understand why I didn't read the entire thread before posting this, so I'm sorry if you guys already know and I'm just preaching to the choir. I finally got Horizons the other day for my Xbox One, and the first thing I did after the first day of familiarizing myself with the mechanics was visit the first Barnacle found in Merope. When I got there, there were four drones to greet me and try to kill me. Now they attacked me while I was in my Clipper, so no harm done. But I thought I should warn you guys that you may get attacked the next time you visit a Barnacle. They were there again after I left the game and loaded back in to the location, so it seems constant. No idea why they were there, I was just warned I was trespassing and was attacked in moments. Be careful guys.
 
What we ought to have is a spreadsheet or similar to record the experiments conducted on the UAs & the results. We have barnacle-related records but I don't remember any reference to a set of records for UA experiments. Perhaps longer serving members (@ Dommarraa, RedWizard, LZ, Rizal, etc) of Canonn could comment- they might remember something I don't.

Can the Canonn Newsletter serve also as the Canonn Journal? And people who conduct experiments, apart from posting them in these forums, also send them to the Canonn Website, where they will be published and organised. People could then browse and even review such experiments, while the main discussion is still led here.

Of course this would require some time and resources from the Canonn team. For myself, I'm willing to help in this in any way. I truly believe that organising facts and results is one of the tastiest biscuits science can have!
 
I think you'll all understand why I didn't read the entire thread before posting this, so I'm sorry if you guys already know and I'm just preaching to the choir. I finally got Horizons the other day for my Xbox One, and the first thing I did after the first day of familiarizing myself with the mechanics was visit the first Barnacle found in Merope. When I got there, there were four drones to greet me and try to kill me. Now they attacked me while I was in my Clipper, so no harm done. But I thought I should warn you guys that you may get attacked the next time you visit a Barnacle. They were there again after I left the game and loaded back in to the location, so it seems constant. No idea why they were there, I was just warned I was trespassing and was attacked in moments. Be careful guys.

Full list of barnacles with and without defences, and how they changed since Thursday's update is available here. Don't leave starport without it! :)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bWITzZmYMYqwXqX5NHw02tyCGd7IFcfHpjYGeZL9GHQ/htmlview
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There's a nasty new set up of defences that involve 6 skimmers and a Goliath!
 
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Thanks for that, I had thought I might have missed something important in lore.

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Now, on that thought: are we absolutely certain that "Unknown Probe" is not just a term that the galactic community have taken to calling the UA for reasons that have not yet been made clear to us. Perhaps it has been decided that they are in fact probes, but it hasn't made it to Galnet? I mean, the UA's behaviour does seem rather probe-like.... I know a lot of people on here have at times been convinced that they are in fact some form of Von-Neumann probe...

It's just that I have been having trouble keeping up to date with the thread again for while, but I am still trying my best.

unknown probe is listed as illegal in some spaces, and also UAs are listed. we can assume they are different things, not just different names.
 
Very interesting theory, out of rep though.

Mine is a bit different but shares similarities. If we say the Thargoids are behind it and not the INRA (in which case that theory would be completely different), the UAs are just working as probes sent by the Thargoids to do some recon before they arrive. They were programmed to find the Pleiades, scan celestial bodies to know if things had changed (the bubble, etc.) and then scan ships to see what they will be up against. Right at the same time they formed a protective shell around the Pleiades to establish their bubble. The protection mechanism hasn't been activated yet. Barnies are just there to provide them with enough material to repair/build their ships (too bad we decided to harvest the hell out of them). So when they come and they see the state of some Barnies, they won't be really happy about that. Why are there some Barnies in the California Nebula now? Well Thargoids like to plant Barnacles in some Nebulae apparently. That's the common factor.

So IMO, they were looking for a few things indeed: the Pleiades and us. They have found both, they're prepping their arrival.

can I ask how does the following relate to your theory:
- mysterious yellow crates on the crash sites, you think they were collecting MA?
- barnacles now seem to have a cycle, or maybe they are "hatching" now. how would the "thargoids" know which ones were shot and which ones not?
 
Sorry if this theory has been brought up, or even debunked already, but...

What if the UA shell was originally designed to contain the Barnacles within the Merope system? Maybe the Barnacles are some sort of biotech or nanotech infection, which was detected by aliens (or someone else), some time in the past, who then acted to halt its spread by constructing the UA shell.

If that's correct then it makes sense that the efficacy of the "containment field" has now been degraded by human Commanders suddenly removing large numbers of UAs from the Shell.

Now that the Shell has been degraded so much, the Barnacles are spreading rapidly out from Merope, first to other systems in the Pleiades, and now spreading to other nebulae... :eek:

In this theory the reason the UAs don't re-align to point at other infection zones, is that their designers never expected UAs to ever be interfered with out in deep space, and so never accounted for unintended sabotage of the containment mechanism.

Hopefully "They" will notice and return to fix / make more containment shells, before the Galaxy is overrun with Barnacles! :eek:
 
Sorry if this theory has been brought up, or even debunked already, but...

What if the UA shell was originally designed to contain the Barnacles within the Merope system? Maybe the Barnacles are some sort of biotech or nanotech infection, which was detected by aliens (or someone else), some time in the past, who then acted to halt its spread by constructing the UA shell.

If that's correct then it makes sense that the efficacy of the "containment field" has now been degraded by human Commanders suddenly removing large numbers of UAs from the Shell.

Now that the Shell has been degraded so much, the Barnacles are spreading rapidly out from Merope, first to other systems in the Pleiades, and now spreading to other nebulae... :eek:

In this theory the reason the UAs don't re-align to point at other infection zones, is that their designers never expected UAs to ever be interfered with out in deep space, and so never accounted for unintended sabotage of the containment mechanism.

Hopefully "They" will notice and return to fix / make more containment shells, before the Galaxy is overrun with Barnacles! :eek:

While I don't think it is the case, it is a good theory.
 
Summary of previous experiments (pre 2.1) :
UA have been taken everywhere
UA have been in Hold with ALL other items
UA have been dropped into space before and after ALL other items
UA and MA have been mixed, matched, swapped, combined, on planet, off planet, near barnacles of all states, not near barnacles of all states

In none of the experiments did anything occur that is not expected

We did try and have a Wiki to record experiments but it failed for many reasons, the main one being that most people are not scientists and therefore conduct and document their experiments really really poorly.
 
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Latest random thought, with many assumptions (UA = Thargoid etc)...

The Thargoids were never able to engineer a cure for the Mycoid virus. But they developed an auto repair system that continuously counters it's degrading effects (the damage to our ships and stations as already confirmed).

Not sure that idea works in practice. EG they don't start to degrade till you scoop em.
 
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unknown probe is listed as illegal in some spaces, and also UAs are listed. we can assume they are different things, not just different names.


Well yeah, every single station I've looked at has Unknown Probe listed on the prohibited list, but I've never actually seen Unknown Artefact, or UA written on one. Does anyone have an example of where does?
 
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