UAs, Barnacles & other mysteries Thread 7 - The Canonn

[rizal72]

ok so found a freefloater and did the test (top one).
http://i.imgur.com/LFVZOto.png
and no pictures hidden in it though slightly different from a tamed one a lot of noise in the bottom one( captured UA)

Em, Slarty, you could have asked
Being using the spectrogram for ages, to decode the UA morse for the ships drawings, we know very well that the UA has no hidden drawing.
Seen that UA sound is not changed at all till then...

 

[slartybartfast]

Em, Slarty, you could have asked
Being using the spectrogram for ages, to decode the UA morse for the ships drawings, we know very well that the UA has no hidden drawing.
Seen that UA sound is not changed at all till then...

I was looking to see if anything had changed in this respect just in case something had been added since last couple updates, it had not but had have to look whilst i waited for Qwent invite.

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

As I said some posts above, I think that the message is not hiding another one but just showing the ability to communicate and maybe providing a code to decipher following messages. So I started speculating about what this code could be.

I realized that one may unfold the circle along its circumference and interpret each quadrant as a different symbol.


In that case, the lower left quadrant corresponds to our Pi symbol.


The depiction of Pi both as a number (3.142) and as a symbol doesn't seem a coincidence to me. There are also some works in the sci-fi literature where Pi was the key to decipher some alien artifacts:

• Pi in the sky, a short story by Rudy Rucker
• Pieces of Pi , a short story by David Bartell

And, most notably,

• Contact by Carl Sagan

Notice too that the 4 quadrant symbol is also the usual symbol for Earth. Coincidence?

If the inverted T symbol is interpreted as usual in logic, the = symbol is also interpreted with its usual meaning, and we suppose the symbol in the top right quadrant to be a representation of 3, one may read Pi=3 False by starting in the lower left quadrant and reading clockwise.

Food for thoughts.

Do you mean these symbols?

 

[DustyArne]

I'd just like to point out that there are far too many of you "scientists" that don't even follow the scientific method.

When creating a theory, you don't start with a hypothesis and then try to find supporting evidence.

That's confirmation bias.

You look at the evidence and you create your hypothesis based on the evidence. Then you try to DISPROVE it.

You have all the right to call out your opinion.

But i really think these guys know what they are doing. They unraveld the UA mistery as well.

 

[aramil]

I always thought the purpose of a generation ship was to do a single voyage to a likely destination (based on astronomical observations) & then stop. If the observations are incorrect & the system's not habitable then they die, or survive using the ship as a base. So they would have set off for destinations not too far from Earth, e.g. Alpha Centauri, Pleiades, etc. So I would expect to find inhabited (by their descendants) systems &/or dead generation ships within a 1kly bubble from Earth. Many should have arrived by now (3302), but we haven't found any. Perhaps M erope 5C is a generation ship covered by galactic detritus & we're looking for the entrance hatch?

yeah but you would be looking for an earth like planet & system, not just the nearest systems you would need to know to a reasonable degree that you could support yourself when you get there. You would save on fuel by using nearer stars as slingshots and emergency refueling/resourcing/stopping points, the fuel cost of trying to go direct would be massive, not only to get going but to slow down at the other end. much easier and economical to use other systems to, speed you up/adjust trajectory/slow you down. Using none FTL drives means the more direct the route, exponentially more fuel is needed, up until your weight of fuel becomes so massive you would not be able to carry the people/food/resources with you.
If they are still around I would expect them to be within 500Ly as a max (not going direct, and including a speed up and slow down) and 10 (100yr) generations (1000 years) would be easily an acceptable time frame for such massive distances.

Would I expect to find cities of people, no, if anything the first of those ships could possibly be getting near to their target systems around this time but any traveling further out would still be deep into the void.

As for wreckage of destroyed/damaged ships they are either drifting in the void or destroyed or threw off into deep space by the stars they would of used to correct their speed/course because they where unable to control their approach. Again the chances of any wreckage actually finding it's self in a system at all is so slim in the scope of the area of space involved as statically you could almost write it off as nothing. not impossible just very very slim.

 

[Gypsy12]

Have now cleaned up the Voice in the Unknown probe recording.

I used the lastest sample, applied a low and high pass filter, amped a little and increased voice recognition.

Here is the new sound file:

https://soundcloud.com/user-536207472/findmea

As you can hear, it says "Find me a:"

Here is the relevant section with filters applied:

http://i.imgur.com/kYZgTpR.jpg

Here's a buddy of the Unknown probe that went to the same language school.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDFt_Dhxg8k

Whoa! there's more on the next section! This one is a bit harder to figure out. I have figured out the previous two sections are "Noise profiles" (Horizontal and vertical bands) When used on the globe picture,with noise reduction (You must use a noise profile to use this process) they clean up the audio quite nicely- but I haven't got it perfect yet... the voice is different this time (Sounds a bit like George Orwell) and appears to say near the beginning "Audio" and towards the end "On his Return"

Here is the rough version:

https://soundcloud.com/user-536207472/onhisreturn

 

[CMDR John Casey]

Do you mean these symbols?

This one in particular: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Earth_symbol.svg

 

[Ian Skippy]

You have all the right to call out your opinion.

But i really think these guys know what they are doing. They unraveld the UA mistery as well.

Actually, its something Rival and others have warned about: canonn depends on 1) being open and transparant, and 2) being 'scientifically' honest. We've had enough cases were people were desperately trying to prove their 'theory', for no reason other than they would have wanted it to be true. That often cost a lot of time, which could have been spend better. Each is free here ofcourse to try and do as they want, but it is a good reminder that trying to disprove something is often superior than trying to prove your theory.

 

[4fast5me]

You have all the right to call out your opinion.

But i really think these guys know what they are doing. They unraveld the UA mistery as well.

Dusty, with all due respect it is not a matter of opinion.
There is a reason the scientific method is the way that it is.

Don't get me wrong, some of these guys have put out some great work and I fully support them.

I don't support bad science.

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

This one in particular: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Earth_symbol.svg

You can see that in the image??? [weird]

 

[Atrox Lux]

So you're saying the UA shell ui a big "HELP" written in the sand, & the UP is a message in a bottle (that points to the desert island in question).

this theory WILL KILL IS believable ( sorry, been watching too much Forged in Fire)

That's exactly how I see it too.

The UA and UP are crash retrieval/rescue beacons.

Ship crashes, deploys UA and UP to direct teams to the site. Also were the barnacle seeds accidentally dispersed from crash site?

Regardless of whether the following is true or not, we are going through a similar process to an interesting incident that allegedly happened on Earth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/    _Harbour_UFO_incident

 

[Ozric]

Have now cleaned up the Voice in the Unknown probe recording.

I used the lastest sample, applied a low and high pass filter, amped a little and increased voice recognition.

Here is the new sound file:

As you can hear, it says "Find me a:"

Still not hearing it I'm afraid.

 

[Gypsy12]

Still not hearing it I'm afraid.

How can you not hear it? Weird. Maybe try it on other speakers or headphones.

 

[crushdepth]

Devil's Advocate: Maybe the UP wasn't trying to talk to us.

Maybe the EMP pulse and light show was the probe scanning us, and the "map" is actually data its relaying to something on 5c. Which may explain why it looks a bit HUD-like and why we haven't managed to extract any location data out of it.

 

[LordZoltan]

Actually, its something Rival and others have warned about: canonn depends on 1) being open and transparant, and 2) being 'scientifically' honest. We've had enough cases were people were desperately trying to prove their 'theory', for no reason other than they would have wanted it to be true. That often cost a lot of time, which could have been spend better. Each is free here ofcourse to try and do as they want, but it is a good reminder that trying to disprove something is often superior than trying to prove your theory.

You're just one of a number of voices now pointing out that we should start with observations and build from there, rather than trying to fit a pantomime donkey outfit on a stallion.

However, not everyone thinks like that, and if we just threw away anything people said based on the fact that they started with an assumption then we'd be ignoring a well of enthusiasm that's particularly huge here.

It all adds to the richness of the thread.

Plus, you never know when someone migt be inspired and 'nail it' by coming at it the wrong way. Not all monumental scientific achievements were made by following the scientific method perfectly. In fact, there are quite a few embarrassing examples in human history of 'dumb luck' discoveries, with all-knowing explanations written after the fact

I'll admit, I filter some posts mentally - as soon as I see certain phrases or keywords or ideas, I just skip them - but who's to say one or more of those haven't been absolutely right on the money, and they just needed a few observations to back them up?

We'll get there in the end.

Or Palin's successor will...

 

[CMDR John Casey]

You can see that in the image??? [weird]

Well, it's the center of the image itself... http://i.imgur.com/9uBAkwo.jpg

 

[DustyArne]

Actually, its something Rival and others have warned about: canonn depends on 1) being open and transparant, and 2) being 'scientifically' honest. We've had enough cases were people were desperately trying to prove their 'theory', for no reason other than they would have wanted it to be true. That often cost a lot of time, which could have been spend better. Each is free here ofcourse to try and do as they want, but it is a good reminder that trying to disprove something is often superior than trying to prove your theory.

Dusty, with all due respect it is not a matter of opinion.
There is a reason the scientific method is the way that it is.

Don't get me wrong, some of these guys have put out some great work and I fully support them.

I don't support bad science.

Alright, fair enough. Point taken.

I can see now there are some here that are doing exaclty that indeed.

 

[Allant Doran]

While i DO hear the audio of ''Find Me A-'', I believe this is ONLY because I have had those words pointed out to me. I would never have picked them up myself and think it is a stretch to say we hear those words.

I believe it, personally, to be a case of Audio Pareidolia. The same thing that causes people to hear ghost 'voices' in EVP, or Electronic Voice Phenomena, recordings.

http://theconversation.com/hearing-...nce-and-fallibility-of-human-perception-48160

 

[LordZoltan]

While i DO hear the audio of ''Find Me A-'', I believe this is ONLY because I have had those words pointed out to me. I would never have picked them up myself and think it is a stretch to say we hear those words.

I believe it, personally, to be a case of Audio Pareidolia. The same thing that causes people to hear ghost 'voices' in EVP, or Electronic Voice Phenomena, recordings.

http://theconversation.com/hearing-...nce-and-fallibility-of-human-perception-48160

I agree.

 

[MrDobilina]

While i DO hear the audio of ''Find Me A-'', I believe this is ONLY because I have had those words pointed out to me. I would never have picked them up myself and think it is a stretch to say we hear those words.

I believe it, personally, to be a case of Audio Pareidolia. The same thing that causes people to hear ghost 'voices' in EVP, or Electronic Voice Phenomena, recordings.

http://theconversation.com/hearing-...nce-and-fallibility-of-human-perception-48160

It's like that song by rhianna where she sings love me like a hot ride, but after someone pointed it out all I can hear is love me like a hot pie.