Interesting. The Unknown Artefact behaves more like a probe than the Unknown Probe does. I'm fairly certain that there's more to the UP's behaviour, which means something must happen to trigger its intended function, and I expect that whoever will find another one first will place the two near each other. However, looking at the differences between the artefact and the probe, I'd also recommend doing something else, which NinjaDragon80 just posted: taking the UP to Merope, so that it may receive the interstellar transmissions from all the UA-s out there. If the UA's a "transmitter", then the UP looks like a "receiver", and probably a signal processor too. Especially since it has a larger and a smaller "core", as opposed to the single "core" of the UA. Does anybody happen to know yet how the UP-s compare in size to the UA-s?
UAs, Barnacles & other mysteries Thread 7 - The Canonn
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Some thoughts about UP and UA:
1. Head is a bit different, So it's probably still main module but might have other functions.
2a. Probe need some kind of FSD. UA might need it but doesn't have too.
2b. I think they both have FSD. Probably in head module.
2c. Second module of UA is most likely fuel tank/cell. UP might have same cells inside his second module or something similar.
2d. I think second module of UP has some kind of fuel scoop or more powerful communication device. Maybe both.
3. They both have some way of communicating with whatever sent them. UP might need better one because it's further away.
4a. UA weren't designed to interact with us. they were supposed to form shell and observe something. We started pulling them out which created some strange readings and whatever sent them decided to send probe to check it.
4b. That sent them some time ago, maybe even before we realized that UA exist because feds found it some time before us.
4c. Feds found UP some time ago, I think it went to merope/shell and it wasn't designed to interact with civilization. You know, if one of our satellites would start failing we would send something to check what is wrong with it and we would think that it's something natural, not aliens.
4d. They interdicted it. Probe wasn't designed for that. It thinks that it finished mission and it has to transmit data that it's collecting until it will get another order.
5. When it will transmit data whatever sent it will realize that it isn't natural and think that aliens might have interdicted their probe.
6. They will send either another probe that will tell us where to look for them or... Invasion fleet.
7a. Barnacles are designed to build something or turn into something.
7b. I think they are some kind of alien experiment and UAs are designed to observe them.
7c. We their experiment up by interacting with them.
7d. We have turned into their way of moving from place to place. We were looking for them in nebulas and in effect we infected many planets with them.
7e. This experiment is out of control now. So, we're doomed.
8a. We don't know how advanced their spacetravel and spacecommunication technology is advanced. So I think probe might be pointing at another transmitter that will transmit data to another one... and it will lead us to their homeworld.
8b. If their spacetravel tech is similar to ours they might be already here observing our behavior.
1. Head is a bit different, So it's probably still main module but might have other functions.
2a. Probe need some kind of FSD. UA might need it but doesn't have too.
2b. I think they both have FSD. Probably in head module.
2c. Second module of UA is most likely fuel tank/cell. UP might have same cells inside his second module or something similar.
2d. I think second module of UP has some kind of fuel scoop or more powerful communication device. Maybe both.
3. They both have some way of communicating with whatever sent them. UP might need better one because it's further away.
4a. UA weren't designed to interact with us. they were supposed to form shell and observe something. We started pulling them out which created some strange readings and whatever sent them decided to send probe to check it.
4b. That sent them some time ago, maybe even before we realized that UA exist because feds found it some time before us.
4c. Feds found UP some time ago, I think it went to merope/shell and it wasn't designed to interact with civilization. You know, if one of our satellites would start failing we would send something to check what is wrong with it and we would think that it's something natural, not aliens.
4d. They interdicted it. Probe wasn't designed for that. It thinks that it finished mission and it has to transmit data that it's collecting until it will get another order.
5. When it will transmit data whatever sent it will realize that it isn't natural and think that aliens might have interdicted their probe.
6. They will send either another probe that will tell us where to look for them or... Invasion fleet.
7a. Barnacles are designed to build something or turn into something.
7b. I think they are some kind of alien experiment and UAs are designed to observe them.
7c. We their experiment up by interacting with them.
7d. We have turned into their way of moving from place to place. We were looking for them in nebulas and in effect we infected many planets with them.
7e. This experiment is out of control now. So, we're doomed.
8a. We don't know how advanced their spacetravel and spacecommunication technology is advanced. So I think probe might be pointing at another transmitter that will transmit data to another one... and it will lead us to their homeworld.
8b. If their spacetravel tech is similar to ours they might be already here observing our behavior.
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Sorry for the sloppy recording, everything was a mess when we found it and there wasn't ANY coordination at all, I was in such a hurry to just start recording it I completely forgot about muting my microphone.
well, it was clustertruck. I have accidentally left good instance and lost chance to look at it by myself...
It won't be that bad once we will find more of them and take our time.
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https://clyp.it/fcy2w0k1 it sounds like somebody is saying "Eden" then coughing and screaming EDEEEN.
It's getting creepy.
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Tinfoil time for me:
So someone stumbles across some new alien biology / technology, made from some strange and advanced new materials and carrying some advanced sensory organs, in deep space (the UA). It ends up in the hands of Federal scientists. In playing with it, they discover that they can "program" it. They first program a simple test - to have the object locate it's own position in space, and repeat back where it is. The scientists shuttle these modified-UA's around, in order to collect data from multiple locations, and verifying their simple program works. Science!
Later, they discover the Artefact's biology can be used to "grow" some highly advanced alloys, given proper input. Possibly very useful stuff for making spacecraft. So the Federation brings in Core Dynamics (and maybe others) to see if they can make use of it. The corporations come up with a way to expand on the initial alien biology (barnacles) and get it to grow them even better alloys (meta-alloys). The end results of this project can be found as rare engineering materials in Fed space - Proprietary Composites and Core Dynamics Composites.
As the results of these secret projects - Barnacles and Meta-Alloys - leak to the public, the Feds find more and more people are snooping around, and even stealing their "crops". To combat this, this Federation deploys defenses around their barnacle sites, and even ends up sending a Battlecruiser to protect their investment.
Back on the other side of the project, the Federation/Corporations are still tinkering with the original UA. After Jasmina Halsey turns back up, babbling about aliens, some wonder if she made contact with the race that originally made the UA's. The Federation launches an appeal for exploration data to see if they can confirm this theory, and they are able to find very compelling evidence that the aliens of Halsey's stories were in the vicinity of where the UA's were originally found, making it possible they created them. In order to try to discover this hidden race, they again modify the UA, but this time grow a new variant, intended to seek out the aliens originally responsible for it. This is the Unknown Probe.
Needs more tinfoil: What about the shell, and UA's scanning ships? Was this programmed behavior? Maybe the UA's are evolving on their own, and incorporating their new programming (morse) into their own evolution. Maybe the Feds wanted to monitor ship activity around their grow site in the Pleiades, but figured the other sites were so far away they were less at risk of being found. Maybe something else entirely.
Hypothesis to test the tinfoil: The "hidden" behavior of the Unknown Probe may have something to do with scouting out aliens that are comfortable in witchspace (that's where they got Halsey, after all) - scanning wakes, doing something in supercruise, that sort of thing.
/wild speculation
So someone stumbles across some new alien biology / technology, made from some strange and advanced new materials and carrying some advanced sensory organs, in deep space (the UA). It ends up in the hands of Federal scientists. In playing with it, they discover that they can "program" it. They first program a simple test - to have the object locate it's own position in space, and repeat back where it is. The scientists shuttle these modified-UA's around, in order to collect data from multiple locations, and verifying their simple program works. Science!
Later, they discover the Artefact's biology can be used to "grow" some highly advanced alloys, given proper input. Possibly very useful stuff for making spacecraft. So the Federation brings in Core Dynamics (and maybe others) to see if they can make use of it. The corporations come up with a way to expand on the initial alien biology (barnacles) and get it to grow them even better alloys (meta-alloys). The end results of this project can be found as rare engineering materials in Fed space - Proprietary Composites and Core Dynamics Composites.
As the results of these secret projects - Barnacles and Meta-Alloys - leak to the public, the Feds find more and more people are snooping around, and even stealing their "crops". To combat this, this Federation deploys defenses around their barnacle sites, and even ends up sending a Battlecruiser to protect their investment.
Back on the other side of the project, the Federation/Corporations are still tinkering with the original UA. After Jasmina Halsey turns back up, babbling about aliens, some wonder if she made contact with the race that originally made the UA's. The Federation launches an appeal for exploration data to see if they can confirm this theory, and they are able to find very compelling evidence that the aliens of Halsey's stories were in the vicinity of where the UA's were originally found, making it possible they created them. In order to try to discover this hidden race, they again modify the UA, but this time grow a new variant, intended to seek out the aliens originally responsible for it. This is the Unknown Probe.
Needs more tinfoil: What about the shell, and UA's scanning ships? Was this programmed behavior? Maybe the UA's are evolving on their own, and incorporating their new programming (morse) into their own evolution. Maybe the Feds wanted to monitor ship activity around their grow site in the Pleiades, but figured the other sites were so far away they were less at risk of being found. Maybe something else entirely.
Hypothesis to test the tinfoil: The "hidden" behavior of the Unknown Probe may have something to do with scouting out aliens that are comfortable in witchspace (that's where they got Halsey, after all) - scanning wakes, doing something in supercruise, that sort of thing.
/wild speculation
The one thing that disproves your theory is the fact that the convoy mentions it looking different and not scanning them, so either the convoy doesn't know, or they don't even know what it is and think it's just a normal UA.
Ooh, interesting! I did not know there was chatter like that from the convoy. Anyone have transcripts or video or something?
The Canonn website has a link to spreadsheet with all the sites listed and if they are broken or intact (when last checked).
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I've got some transcripts thanks to CMDRs Julian McCoy and Mykl Atrum
http://i.imgur.com/0tLglEa.jpg
http://imgur.com/7y7OHW0
I went on there but the ones listed as intact are not so far, just wondering if anyone knew of one that is definitely live right now.
Great job Pat and your NPC scientist friend. Your new title is well deserved. 
Interesting theory. I like it a lot.
Interesting theory. I like it a lot.
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So, I just did a bit of analysis of the UP videos from Lung. It's really hard to tell because the background starscape doesn't seem to render well in most of them. However, it looks like the UP is *at least* pointing to Merope also (if not, the Maia nebula).
I used this video: [video]https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4AOd8LZVQcKczU3Mk4yMGZaSFk/view[/video]
If you look at this posted video around the (1:20-125) mark, you can see the large head is pointing slightly up and to the left of the California sector (but it's really hard to tell).
I came about this by getting as close as possible to the viewpoint of the starscape at 1:12, where you get a viewpoint of the top of the large node i.e the starscape is the view of the opposite direction the last node is facing.
I selected Merope from the galaxy map and the navigation dot was basically behind me.
It's a very inaccurate measure, but the best I can do, and it'd be fair to say it's pointing in the *general* direction of Merope.
EDIT: Assuming it's pointing anywhere in particular.
I used this video: [video]https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4AOd8LZVQcKczU3Mk4yMGZaSFk/view[/video]
If you look at this posted video around the (1:20-125) mark, you can see the large head is pointing slightly up and to the left of the California sector (but it's really hard to tell).
I came about this by getting as close as possible to the viewpoint of the starscape at 1:12, where you get a viewpoint of the top of the large node i.e the starscape is the view of the opposite direction the last node is facing.
I selected Merope from the galaxy map and the navigation dot was basically behind me.
It's a very inaccurate measure, but the best I can do, and it'd be fair to say it's pointing in the *general* direction of Merope.
EDIT: Assuming it's pointing anywhere in particular.
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I wonder if by "NHE cargo" they mean (Non-Human Equipment) or (Non-Human Entity)
Also I noticed that the value of the UP was over 400k credits. If I had to guess they're going hard to find free-floating in space.
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I think it's also worth mentioning that the transport did state its purpose in one of the transmissions: orbital testing. Not sure where, but we shouldn't overlook this. We know they found it, we know they're already testing it. It would make sense to also cover what they haven't.
Ok so managed to find a previously discoverd barnacle intact with no defenses and began observations.
Initial testing has revealed the following;
A large seed spike does not necessarily mean the seed is ready with meta alloy. The large seed spikes with a large glowing green seed pod contains meta alloy. This information was obtained with a scan of each seed spike, the ones with the large seed pod say "meta alloy detected"
I have two "ripe" seed spikes here, and will continue to observe for the time being.
Edit: Only the ripe seeds give off the "fireflies" as well
Initial testing has revealed the following;
A large seed spike does not necessarily mean the seed is ready with meta alloy. The large seed spikes with a large glowing green seed pod contains meta alloy. This information was obtained with a scan of each seed spike, the ones with the large seed pod say "meta alloy detected"
I have two "ripe" seed spikes here, and will continue to observe for the time being.
Edit: Only the ripe seeds give off the "fireflies" as well
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Also noting that the main barnacle section (trunk) is not giving off the "haze" I have seen at other barnacle sites. The ripe seed pods are giving off plenty of haze and firflies, trunk only giving off slight amounts of fireflies. This suggest to me that they behave like a normal plant, when the branches (seed spikes) die, the energy conserves into the trunk or stem. A healthy plant iin seed is directing all its energy to making the seed.
I will continue to observe, and try soon to see if an Unknown Artifact will interact with the ripe seed pods at all.
I will continue to observe, and try soon to see if an Unknown Artifact will interact with the ripe seed pods at all.
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I can't look at a UA (and now a UP) without seeing Taurus horns/faces all over them, so I did some digging to find the stars in the head and horns of Taurus. Here are the results:
Pinyin - Horn tip
Alnath - Horn tip
Hyadum I - Chin
Hyadym II - Face
78 Theta-2 Tauri - Face
78 Theta-1 Tauri - Face
Aldabaran - Eye
Ain - Eye
No idea if that's useful, but the developers seem to have enjoyed using alternate names for some of these to make them harder to track down.
Pinyin - Horn tip
Alnath - Horn tip
Hyadum I - Chin
Hyadym II - Face
78 Theta-2 Tauri - Face
78 Theta-1 Tauri - Face
Aldabaran - Eye
Ain - Eye
No idea if that's useful, but the developers seem to have enjoyed using alternate names for some of these to make them harder to track down.
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