UAs, Barnacles & other mysteries Thread 7 - The Canonn

[LordZoltan]

Okay - just to re-focus us on these lines and angles.

And to be clear, I'm going to treat the red lines as x and y axes with values
x[sub]-inf[/sub], x[sub]0[/sub] & x[sub]inf[/sub] as left, middle, right respectively, and
y[sub]-inf[/sub], y[sub]0[/sub] & y[sub]inf[/sub] as bottom, middle, top respectively

Also 'CW' is clockwise and 'CCW' is counter-clockwise.

I'm explaining that just in case it isn't obvious to everyone(!) - not trying to sound more intelligent than I really am!

Line A

Creates angles exactly 140^o(CW) or 220^o(CCW) from the top (x[sub]0[/sub]y[sub]inf[/sub]) of the circle, or 50^o(CW) or 310^o(CCW) from the right (x[sub]inf[/sub]y[sub]0[/sub]) of the circle.

Obviously there are other reference points on the circumference that we could use - but the point is the angle is a whole, round decimal in degrees if you use any of the top, left, right, bottom positions as reference points. That must be significant, right?

Slight disclaimer - when using an on-screen ruler, it gets within a tenth or fifth of a degree of the whole number. For me, that's definitely close enough given how imperfect the underlying image is.

Lines B & C

As was pointed out before - these don't (appear to!) intersect with the centre of the circle, so if there are any important angles there - then it's possibly going to be the angle they make at their intersection.

From what I can gather - the angle between them is 30^o (again within a tenth/fifth of a degree)

Beyond describing an angle, I can't see what else they're for (although when you take them all the way through to the other side of the circle, they do 'frame' the little symbol in the top right quite nicely )

It's distinctly possible that they do intersect at the line y=0 - with the low res in the spectrogram image (not the screencap, I mean the data encoded within), and with the lines starting so far from the centre of the circle, it's possible that the lines I've traced are slightly off.

Anyway - two potentially significant whole numbers there which seem, to me, to be a little bit too 'perfect' to be incidental.



What we need now are ideas for what those angles could mean, if anything.

 

[babelfisch]

The ones on the right could possibly well be reverbs, but those on the left are completely different, I can't find what else they mimic in that picture (although I'm doing 100 things at once). We need all aspects to be able to find out what it is. They all could be ingredients, and if just one of them is missing, you don't get what you're trying to create. So far, although im not 100% sure, ED has not put in "ramps" to picture the main image, I think everything has been took into account.

Don't get me wrong, I'm with you, I think the main item in these spectographs revolves around the central image, though we can't just drop everything else out of the equation. Even if it is useless, I'd rather be safe than sorry.

The thing on the left looks exactly like a UA IMO.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

I don't know how helpful this will be, but I pulled up the 96khz recording in audacity and discovered that there's an upside-down echo of the message in the high ultrasound: http://imgur.com/7F6AGw9
You can see it in the full spectrum in context here: http://imgur.com/PtmN6IZ

Suspect you've got a sampling artefact there; if it's sampled at 96khz then I would filter out anything above 32khz.

Haven't yet had a go at Cmdr Mhyres audio from last night to see if that was less noisy.
What I suspect is that we are seeing two signals superimposed, and if this is Paul's/Peter's (i.e. FD's!!) equivalent of the Pioneer/Voyager messages, then the pictograms we see should tell us how to decode the second signal which might be some SSTV-like graphical info. Voyager had a rectangular symbol which showed the scan pattern/rate to decode the imagery it carried; the rectangular symbol on the left of the UP sonogram looks similar & might be an equivalent, unfortunately we can't see the details because of the "noise"/second signal. Not sure my signal processing skills are up to this, haven't done any for 40+ years. Any ham radio SSTV'ers in the thread??

 

[Gypsy12]

WHOA!!!

I got a voice from the first section! Its still very rough, but you get the idea - It seems to say "Find me ..something (here perhaps?)"

I pitch shifted the block and arrow section 4 octaves, and slowed it down a bit.

Here it is:

https://soundcloud.com/user-536207472/voice

 

[Saool]

I thought about this too, but when you start to overlay certain pieces of the outer markings it overlays with the central so well it's scary. I don't believe in coincidence. There's a pattern.

I agree it is not random, and not coincidence. However I think it is just the designer coping and pasting bits here and there to make some echoes and noise to pad out the sound as opposed to them having separate meaning themselves.

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WHOA!!!

I got a voice from the first section! Its still very rough, but you get the idea - It seems to say "Find me ..something (here perhaps?)"

I pitch shifted the block and arrow section 4 octaves, and slowed it down a bit.

Here it is:

https://soundcloud.com/user-536207472/voice

Not hearing it myself.

 

[CookieJarviz]

Were getting nowhere with this... we need another hint.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Hi all,

I REALLY like the Voyager plaque idea. Aliens or lost colonists know that that was how we communicated the last time they bumped into us and choose to send a reply in that manner.

So dots and dashes are binary
And could the lines leading out from the globe be directional indicators to place the planet in 3d space. In the voyager record the lines (14) were direcitonal lines to Earth based on the locations of PULSARS.
Could the binary in bottom left right be distance measures for locating each of the pulsars that we need to locate to find their home system for example?

edite - system for planet

Paul doesn't need to have seen Voyager to produce a similar idea-Carl Sagan & NASA applied a lot of logical thought tin the design of the Pioneer/Voyager messages, and I suspect any intelligent alien race would come up with a similar scheme.

Voyager used a map of 14 pulsars with their distances (in binary notation) from Sol to define our location; not seeing anything like that here.

 

[John Stoutbeard]

Okay - just to re-focus us on these lines and angles.

And to be clear, I'm going to treat the red lines as x and y axes with values
x[sub]-inf[/sub], x[sub]0[/sub] & x[sub]inf[/sub] as left, middle, right respectively, and
y[sub]-inf[/sub], y[sub]0[/sub] & y[sub]inf[/sub] as bottom, middle, top respectively

Also 'CW' is clockwise and 'CCW' is counter-clockwise.

I'm explaining that just in case it isn't obvious to everyone(!) - not trying to sound more intelligent than I really am!

http://canonn.science/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/intersections.png

Line A

Creates angles exactly 140^o(CW) or 220^o(CCW) from the top (x[sub]0[/sub]y[sub]inf[/sub]) of the circle, or 50^o(CW) or 310^o(CCW) from the right (x[sub]inf[/sub]y[sub]0[/sub]) of the circle.

Obviously there are other reference points on the circumference that we could use - but the point is the angle is a whole, round decimal in degrees if you use any of the top, left, right, bottom positions as reference points. That must be significant, right?

Slight disclaimer - when using an on-screen ruler, it gets within a tenth or fifth of a degree of the whole number. For me, that's definitely close enough given how imperfect the underlying image is.

Lines B & C

As was pointed out before - these don't (appear to!) intersect with the centre of the circle, so if there are any important angles there - then it's possibly going to be the angle they make at their intersection.

From what I can gather - the angle between them is 30^o (again within a tenth/fifth of a degree)

Beyond describing an angle, I can't see what else they're for (although when you take them all the way through to the other side of the circle, they do 'frame' the little symbol in the top right quite nicely )

It's distinctly possible that they do intersect at the line y=0 - with the low res in the spectrogram image (not the screencap, I mean the data encoded within), and with the lines starting so far from the centre of the circle, it's possible that the lines I've traced are slightly off.

Anyway - two potentially significant whole numbers there which seem, to me, to be a little bit too 'perfect' to be incidental.



What we need now are ideas for what those angles could mean, if anything.

Pretty, wish I could rep you again. +1
This is data we can use at a later stage when Mr. Theory needs to marry Ms. Facts.

 

[rizal72]

Rizal, did you try this with shields offline as well? I know it disabled your ship after the honk, but what hull damage did you take?

No, sorry. And no damage occurred.

GenesysGen2, thanks to Rizal I managed to find your images.
I hope you don't mind me borrowing yours.

I just want to ask whether anyone does agree whether it looks like a doppler echo/reverb/doppler effect, perhaps it's possible the left section is what we can focus on?

http://i.imgur.com/lWrwqm2.png

orig

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/9uUoexL.png

I totally agree with you sir. The right Part is echoing the middle part. But the left part, my friend, is relevant somehow.

 

[Squiggle]

Were getting nowhere with this... we need another hint.

Start investigating the "noise" in the sound files that indicate other information/figures/values other than the image.

 

[Armankessilon]

Were getting nowhere with this... we need another hint.

Or working script

 

[Dark_Helmet]

Is there a reason to be focusing solely on B class stars, or is it based on probability more than anything else, knowing that Maia and Merope have B class.

I'm also not 100% convinced that free floaters will be found in the same direction as the loose UAs were either. At the time of the UA convoy being found, none of the factions, or VERY few, knew the purpose of them, or where they could be utilised.

With the UP I think it's a different story, that they may have been engineered in the bubble, or somewhere on the fringes, and were then being carried TO where they would have the best chance to be effective. Can't help thinking that the loose UP may be found in the opposite direction :/

I could be *horribly* wrong, of course

 

[[k]arl]

I suspect, at this point, that there is a great deal of over reading into some of the other marks in the image. And that these are likely to be echoes, and other extra bits put in to pad out and expand the noise the UP makes as opposed to containing extra information. I would be thinking of them as ramp up and ramp down sounds of it's transmitter and that people should focus on the obvious central icons.

The ones on the right could possibly well be reverbs, but those on the left are completely different, I can't find what else they mimic in that picture (although I'm doing 100 things at once). We need all aspects to be able to find out what it is. They all could be ingredients, and if just one of them is missing, you don't get what you're trying to create. So far, although im not 100% sure, ED has not put in "ramps" to picture the main image, I think everything has been took into account.

Don't get me wrong, I'm with you, I think the main item in these spectographs revolves around the central image, though we can't just drop everything else out of the equation. Even if it is useless, I'd rather be safe than sorry.

I'm not sure that the right panel can be dismissed as reverb - listen to the clip whilst watching the spectrogram (e.g. in Audacity), you can clearly make out the separate parts - the discovery scanner, the UP 'charging up', the message, and the UP 'winding down'. The seemingly repeated 3-arc motif in the right panel can be heard in the recording as a slightly falling (in pitch) high frequency sound that is quite different to that which makes up the central panel and 'globe' image. It is also contained in the "message" portion of the audio clip. Reverb also doesn't explain why only those three arcs are 'reverbed' and not for example the lat/long lines on the globe or the globe itself.

[k]

 

[John Stoutbeard]

No, sorry. And no damage occurred.



I totally agree with you sir. The right Part is echoing the middle part. But the left part, my friend, is relevant somehow.

Agree, the left part has finally shown it's true face.
(dude with bow and arrow? - no j/k, still needs decoding).

 

[TheDayman]

I just want to ask whether anyone does agree whether it looks like a doppler echo/reverb/doppler effect, perhaps it's possible the left section is what we can focus on?

http://i.imgur.com/lWrwqm2.png

orig

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/9uUoexL.png

It doesn't look like it to me. For example, while they are close, the distance between the curves are different and the angle of the lower left looks off... but then again that's just my old eyes and I'm not audio engineer so 99% of this is over my head.

Err: The right section you're talking about being an echo

 

[Gypsy12]

I agree it is not random, and not coincidence. However I think it is just the designer coping and pasting bits here and there to make some echoes and noise to pad out the sound as opposed to them having separate meaning themselves.

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Not hearing it myself.

Its definitely there... starts at 3 seconds. Says "Find me a:" with a fadeout on the end. Listening on some Genelec 2048As with a E-MU 1610 PCI...

 

[edd]

Guys, everyone's looking at the lower part of the spectogram.. maybe the real data is in the upper frequencies where you see the same image flipped upside down?
I tried but I don't know how to use audio tools to make a non distorted image from the upper frequencies..

http://imgur.com/zDdyWjD

Got it. It's just the FFT generating aliasing around 22kHz, which is the Nyquist frequency for 44kHz audio. So it's a purely mathematical artifact.

 

[TheDayman]

Its definitely there... starts at 3 seconds. Says "Find me a:" with a fadeout on the end. Listening on some Genelec 2048As with a E-MU 1610 PCI...

I hear SOMETHING there too - it sounds like it echos too... Find me, find me...

 

[Jane Turner]

I noticed your Planck earlier, nice find.
The voyager did include the constant for hydrogen atoms and use that for measurement (others have mentioned this as well)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_Golden_Record

Maybe another pure mathematics number - like Napier's constant?

 

[LordZoltan]

Pretty, wish I could rep you again. +1
This is data we can use at a later stage when Mr. Theory needs to marry Ms. Facts.

Indeed, thanks

And re the 'doppler' idea - I like it. Perhaps what's interesting there is the stuff that is duplicated, or perhaps it can simply be discounted as you suggest.