UAs, Barnacles & other mysteries Thread 7 - The Canonn

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kpc118

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Hugeness said:
Thanks Cmdrs,
Just cant help feeling were over thinking this somewhat. I believe everything we need is in the "message" part of the signal.
We've been given a celestial body (Merope, then Merope 5c)
We have a number/distance: radius of planet 5c (bottom right)
We have possible unit: 1/4 of circumference top left
We have universal constant 3 1 4 2 which any inteligence would know order of...(including how to spell intelligence)
We have another distance marked (bottom left)
We have possible product/multiplication, (top right)
We may have a calculation order (symbols around outside with 1 of 4 starting points)

So I thought I'd fiddle about with these numbers when I get chance and see what falls out.
To what end I don't know.. but hay, why not?!
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It is a probe ... what do probes do? They go out and gather information by probing! The UA was the indicator for the probe telling it where to look (Merope 5). All we may have done is ping the probe to give us the information it has collected about what it found. The information about Merope 5c, which is significat for some reason, possible a reason other than the barnacles. This is a set of information on Merope 5c intended to be gather for someone/something else, we just happened to figure out how to get the information out of the probe. When we triggered it to send out the signal, we heard it and recorded it, but the EMP blast that occured was the transmission of that message to someone/something else far far from here. The EMP was clearing the area of background noise so the ppl listening would have a much easier time extracting the info in the message. Those someones/somethings are now on their way to Merope because they have received the message several times now. Is there something to be found for us to decipher in the image? Perhaps, but it would be ancillary as the point of the probe was to probe the planet for measurements and send it out to the someones/somethings, and that has been done. We won't understand the ancillary detilas until they arrive and provide more context.

Thoughts?

I also truly deeply inside hope this is a treasure hunt for something, so i won't give up hope. Perhaps we can find what they are looking for before they get here and alter the outcome in our favor. But i think the above statement is the most plausable and it is likely we don't find any more out until they arrive. Brace for impact, ladies and gents.

CMDR Thunder Crotch
 
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Tomtom

Tomtom
Kerrash said:
Has anyone thought to overlay multiple samples to amplify the signal and reduce noise?
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Yep, I was thinking of trying that. So I did:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ai4bgp308pm480x/7 UP.wav?dl=0

That audio there is seven different UP audio belches combined (because, you know, 7 UP. Of course.) I'm not sure that it's much better than any audio we already have but I'm quite pleased with the definition I got on the spectrograph in the higher frequencies. And it's up there on t'internets now if anybody fancies a gander. What may or may not be interesting is that although I managed to line up the UP audio pretty well, the ships' honks are a little out of sync suggesting that the UP didn't always have the exact same reaction time. It's probably nothing though. Probably.

The samples used were Zenith's, taken from Rizal's link on the first page of this thread. Thanks, guys.

Edit: added a sample of the spectrograph so you can judge the clarity for thine self:

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Allant Doran

Allant Doran
Just my 2p. I think putting faith in where the UP is pointing might be the most valuable thing we have. Not only was this a feature of the UAs back in the day but they did ultimately lead us to where we are now. It seems to me that UP is once again trying to narrow down that search from the initial exploring. It is asking us to look closer.

And to sum up the situation, it seems the Feds are also scouring 5c for something. This makes me think it may be a sort-of race against time to find something important before they do.
Finally suiting myself back up and pulling a ship out of a station to go have a look. Wanted my Corvette there but given the circumstances of the Federal presence I don't want to lose too much if I get too close, which I want to.

ADDITIONAL: Could the bits and pieces in the corners of the image, supposing it is not Merope 5c, actually be visualisations of types of Moons or Stars? Perhaps the Top-right symbol means ''Two moons'' and the top left is a B-class star... or something?
 
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DudleySmith

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I've been playing around with the hi-res gif in a package for de-blurring astronomical images and I've noticed a couple of things:

1) The noise (at least in the central interesting area) is not random, it's more like a constant additive noise image superimposed on the desired signal. This means that median / mean / minimum type operations don't help because they don't discriminate the signal we want. Frame 3 (labelled upmaiaB) shows what I mean - it has the same noise signature as the other 5 frames but offset earlier slightly. To remove it, I've been thinking about using the column intensity total to locate the noise signal time offset (it's the loudest timeslice in the signal) in each frame, and pull out pixels that are the same in all the frames to build up the noise image. Then I could subtract that from each frame (using the frame's noise time offset to site it) and get left with the signal. I think I'd have to write something in C++ to do that (which won't happen soon), since it's probably too specific to convince a graphics package to do.
2) The right hand portion that people have been assuming is a zoom in of the top right "ping the planet" symbol is not actually the arc of a circle. The left hand edge has a vertical line dropping off. This makes the image more like an italic D rotated 90 degrees left (without the ascender), and makes it look less like a planet.
3) The sample intensity is generally higher at lower frequencies - I am not so quick to discount the binary numbers at SW and SE as being that different from the NW and NE pair if we applied some kind of normalising gain to compensate for the effect.
 

CookieJarviz

CookieJarviz
I bellive the UA did a quick "scan" and said "What we are looking for is somewhere in merope" then THEY whoever "They" are. Sent the UP to merope and then the probe was like "Ok. Its on 5C" so what we are looking for is something "they" want? im 99% sure thats what it is.
 

Spruxxx

Spruxxx
kpc118 said:
It is a probe ... what do probes do? They go out and gather information by probing! The UA was the indicator for the probe telling it where to look (Merope 5). All we may have done is ping the probe to give us the information it has collected about what it found. The information about Merope 5c, which is significat for some reason, possible a reason other than the barnacles. This is a set of information on Merope 5c intended to be gather for someone/something else, we just happened to figure out how to get the information out of the probe. When we triggered it to send out the signal, we heard it and recorded it, but the EMP blast that occured was the transmission of that message to someone/something else far far from here. The EMP was clearing the area of background noise so the ppl listening would have a much easier time extracting the info in the message. Those someones/somethings are now on their way to Merope because they have received the message several times now. Is there something to be found for us to decipher in the image? Perhaps, but it would be ancillary as the point of the probe was to probe the planet for measurements and send it out to the someones/somethings, and that has been done. We won't understand the ancillary detilas until they arrive and provide more context.

Thoughts?

I also truly deeply inside hope this is a treasure hunt for something, so i won't give up hope. Perhaps we can find what they are looking for before they get here and alter the outcome in our favor. But i think the above statement is the most plausable and it is likely we don't find any more out until they arrive. Brace for impact, ladies and gents.

CMDR Thunder Crotch
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I agree with this, there's two possibilities for the probe. And I'm conscious of the moment in 2001 when they uncover the monolith - its reaction to first exposure to sunlight is to emit a massive radio wave pulse - and the pulse is not intended for its discoverers.

1. The probe is designed to communicate with races other than its creators. In this case EMP pulse could be a response directly to the ship triggering the ADS - "Thank you for contacting me - here is some information for you."
2. Or, as in 2001, it communicates an alert to its creators - "They have found me, take appropriate action."

That means that the imbedded image is either intended for us to interpret - or it is providing our co-ordinates to someone else about where we are :)
 

LordZoltan

LordZoltan
CookieJarviz said:
I bellive the UA did a quick "scan" and said "What we are looking for is somewhere in merope" then THEY whoever "They" are. Sent the UP to merope and then the probe was like "Ok. Its on 5C" so what we are looking for is something "they" want? im 99% sure thats what it is.
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my biggest issue with this, as I keep saying, is: if they want to be at Merope, then why are they not found in merope?

The *only* explanation for actually drawing our attention to it is that they want someone else to go to merope.

And at the moment the only thing I can think of which would do that would be 'the missing'. But then why would the missing use what is undoubtedly alien tech/biotech? And if they could launch probes/artefacts into space beyond 130LY, why not just come and find us?

It doesn't smell right.
 

AlterIgor

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Can someone in the audacity know share with me the method used to scale the spectrogram vertically to achieve the circular glyph? I am playing around with audacity to try isolate the image audio but it looks like a horribly melted egg atm :)
 

CMDRDemonEyesCain

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kpc118 said:
It is a probe ... what do probes do? They go out and gather information by probing! The UA was the indicator for the probe telling it where to look (Merope 5). All we may have done is ping the probe to give us the information it has collected about what it found. The information about Merope 5c, which is significat for some reason, possible a reason other than the barnacles. This is a set of information on Merope 5c intended to be gather for someone/something else, we just happened to figure out how to get the information out of the probe. When we triggered it to send out the signal, we heard it and recorded it, but the EMP blast that occured was the transmission of that message to someone/something else far far from here. The EMP was clearing the area of background noise so the ppl listening would have a much easier time extracting the info in the message. Those someones/somethings are now on their way to Merope because they have received the message several times now. Is there something to be found for us to decipher in the image? Perhaps, but it would be ancillary as the point of the probe was to probe the planet for measurements and send it out to the someones/somethings, and that has been done. We won't understand the ancillary detilas until they arrive and provide more context.

Thoughts?

I also truly deeply inside hope this is a treasure hunt for something, so i won't give up hope. Perhaps we can find what they are looking for before they get here and alter the outcome in our favor. But i think the above statement is the most plausable and it is likely we don't find any more out until they arrive. Brace for impact, ladies and gents.

CMDR Thunder Crotch
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Ive been thinking a lot about this. The UA certainly points to Merope and undeniably the probe is relaying information about Merope 5c. Either this is where we are intended to make first contact, the Thargoids could be telling us in the best way they know how, or these objects are pointing to Merope for its value to the aliens ( regardless of human interaction ). Im beginning to believe the former, and feel like there is still something we are missing or another step we need to take. But we are definitely overthinking this.
 

LordZoltan

LordZoltan
AlterIgor said:
Can someone in the audacity know share with me the method used to scale the spectrogram vertically to achieve the circular glyph? I am playing around with audacity to try isolate the image audio but it looks like a horribly melted egg atm :)
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use a log(n) spectrogram, 4096 window size, base freq around 250-500hz will do you
 
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Turd Ferguson

Turd Ferguson
CMDRDemonEyesCain said:
Ive been thinking a lot about this. The UA certainly points to Merope and undeniably the probe is relaying information about Merope 5c. Either this is where we are intended to make first contact, the Thargoids could be telling us in the best way they know how, or these objects are pointing to Merope for its value to the aliens ( regardless of human interaction ). Im beginning to believe the former, and feel like there is still something we are missing or another step we need to take. But we are definitely overthinking this.
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"go here and stand on the big red X"
 

LordZoltan

LordZoltan
Spruxxx said:
I agree with this, there's two possibilities for the probe. And I'm conscious of the moment in 2001 when they uncover the monolith - its reaction to first exposure to sunlight is to emit a massive radio wave pulse - and the pulse is not intended for its discoverers.

1. The probe is designed to communicate with races other than its creators. In this case EMP pulse could be a response directly to the ship triggering the ADS - "Thank you for contacting me - here is some information for you."
2. Or, as in 2001, it communicates an alert to its creators - "They have found me, take appropriate action."

That means that the imbedded image is either intended for us to interpret - or it is providing our co-ordinates to someone else about where we are :)
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I like the second one - I've thought for a long while that we would be the target of any probe activity, given that we were the eventual target of the UAs, with their schematic drawing shenanigans...
 

Ratbone

Ratbone
AlterIgor said:
Can someone in the audacity know share with me the method used to scale the spectrogram vertically to achieve the circular glyph? I am playing around with audacity to try isolate the image audio but it looks like a horribly melted egg atm :)
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You need to set the scale to logarithmic
 

edd

edd
DudleySmith said:
I've been playing around with the hi-res gif in a package for de-blurring astronomical images and I've noticed a couple of things:
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Do you know how it's deblurring? Is it a deconvolution, an unsharp mask or something else? I don't think these are tools that are likely to gain you an awful lot in removing blur in a spectrogram, although with care you could maybe construct something that would help. I'm not personally convinced it would add anything you couldn't see by eye anyway, if the information is encoded the manner that shows up on spectrograms.
 
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