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Nationalsocialism has nothing to do with Socialism. Absolutely nothing.



Ah right, the socialist regime of the EU. Please tell me how they're comparable to Maos China or Stalins UdSSR.


Sorry but check your history the national socialist party in Germany started out as a SOCIALIST party its views aims and desires were of a socialist party. Only later were these aims replaced by the desires of hitler which led to what we would now call the right wing party but at its origins the party was very much a Socialist party filled with socialist thinkers.

As for your second point,
The present socialist leaning group running the EU have already begun restricting the rights of its member state populations for self determination and rule by stating nations voting in a govt they disapprove off will face sanctions and fines, it has steadily taken more and more every day control over the running of nation states forcing its laws to prominence over a sovereign states. It uses propaganda in schools to 'educate' young people to a pro EU dominance failing to teach almost any history prior to its formation.
It uses a single currency to control a large section of its member states, a currency that has damned most of those counties economies and forced an entire generation into unemployment and poverty.
It is presently attempting the formation of a European army taking even more control from sovereign states.
Finally, as we have seen over the past few months, any member nation that exercises its sovereign right to leave the union is threatened bullied and vilified through out its existing member states with the dual purpose of damaging that sovereign state and quelling any other thoughts of leaving by member states through fear and intimidation.

These are all tactics straight out of the socialist handbook but for the modern day, you don't need mass murder and concentration camps to be ruled by an inflexible iron fist the velvet fist is just as oppressive and Remember the velvet glove is so easily removed.
 
Sorry but check your history the national socialist party in Germany started out as a SOCIALIST party its views aims and desires were of a socialist party. Only later were these aims replaced by the desires of hitler which led to what we would now call the right wing party but at its origins the party was very much a Socialist party filled with socialist thinkers.

You don't actually know what socialism is, do you?

Finally, as we have seen over the past few months, any member nation that exercises its sovereign right to leave the union is threatened bullied and vilified through out its existing member states with the dual purpose of damaging that sovereign state and quelling any other thoughts of leaving by member states through fear and intimidation.

"Don't go outside, it's very cold out there"

"How dare you threaten me!"

That aside, you do know the EU has regulations that hinder the ability of nation states to, for example, prop up failing industries with support or own certain kinds of commercial infrastructure. This is why hardline UK socialists like Corbyn want out of the EU.

I am a far more mild form of socialist who sees that business isn't some evil bogeyman.
 

Minonian

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Do you care to explain me how they want to join?


Turkey's application to accede to the European Economic Community, the predecessor of the European Union (EU), was made on 14 April 1987. After the ten founding members, Turkey was one of the first countries to become a member of the Council of Europe in 1949. The country has also been an associate member of the Western European Union from 1992 to its end in 2011. Turkey signed a Customs Union agreement with the EU in 1995 and was officially recognised as a candidate for full membership on 12 December 1999, at the Helsinki summit of the European Council.

Negotiations for full membership were started on 3 October 2005.Progress was slow, and out of the 35 Chapters necessary to complete the accession process only 16 had been opened and one had been closed by May 2016.The early 2016 refugee deal between Turkey and the European Union was intented to accelerate negotiations after previous stagnation and as allow visa-free travel through Europe for Turks.

Turkeys Dictator is about to marry the EU Dictator.
 
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Minonian

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Turkey's application to accede to the European Economic Community, the predecessor of the European Union (EU), was made on 14 April 1987. After the ten founding members, Turkey was one of the first countries to become a member of the Council of Europe in 1949. The country has also been an associate member of the Western European Union from 1992 to its end in 2011. Turkey signed a Customs Union agreement with the EU in 1995 and was officially recognised as a candidate for full membership on 12 December 1999, at the Helsinki summit of the European Council.

There is one tiny little problem after the latest referendum their process going to be halted.

Oppps banana peel. :p
 
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Sorry but check your history the national socialist party in Germany started out as a SOCIALIST party its views aims and desires were of a socialist party. Only later were these aims replaced by the desires of hitler which led to what we would now call the right wing party but at its origins the party was very much a Socialist party filled with socialist thinkers.

Absolute . National Socialism hasn't even the same roots as socialism. Hitler himself merely jumped on the train, he wasn't the one who laid the foundation of the National Socialism even if he was one of the very first members of the NSDAP.

As for your second point,
The present socialist leaning group running the EU have already begun restricting the rights of its member state populations for self determination and rule by stating nations voting in a govt they disapprove off will face sanctions and fines, it has steadily taken more and more every day control over the running of nation states forcing its laws to prominence over a sovereign states.

Citation needed.

It uses propaganda in schools to 'educate' young people to a pro EU dominance failing to teach almost any history prior to its formation.

As someone who went into school in Germany, which is still one of the countries which is most pro-EU, I can say with 100% certainity that this is absolute , too. On the opposite, there was very little in our history lessons which had to do anything with the EU. EU and the german system of government were part of the social studies subject.

It uses a single currency to control a large section of its member states, a currency that has damned most of those counties economies and forced an entire generation into unemployment and poverty.

The Euro is controlled by the ECB, which in return is controlled by one of the member states for six months, before it switches to the next.

It is presently attempting the formation of a European army taking even more control from sovereign states.

Forming a military union is no indication of being socialist.

Finally, as we have seen over the past few months, any member nation that exercises its sovereign right to leave the union is threatened bullied and vilified through out its existing member states with the dual purpose of damaging that sovereign state and quelling any other thoughts of leaving by member states through fear and intimidation.

Hoh, bold claims. More citations needed here. So far the EU was faster to accept the Brexit than the UK itself and stuck to the point made beforehand the Brexit that it wouldn't allow the UK to cherrypick.

These are all tactics straight out of the socialist handbook but for the modern day, you don't need mass murder and concentration camps to be ruled by an inflexible iron fist the velvet fist is just as oppressive and Remember the velvet glove is so easily removed.

You find "those tactics" in every dictatorship, whether it's communist/socialist or fascist.

What you're talking is plainly nonsense.
 
This Theresa May is really a very great democrat. She gives the power once again to the people. Not many countries in the world are as respectful of the sovereignty of the people. Already the referendum was a magnificent example of democracy. And now the parliamentary elections ... If there are protestors after that, it would be incomprehensible

:)

Why not combine a referendum on the UK with an election? Oh yeah, because that wouldn't 'stabilise' the country. :p

Democracy my Michael Foot. All a big game. Question is, will the electorate swallow it?
 
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Turkey's application to accede to the European Economic Community, the predecessor of the European Union (EU), was made on 14 April 1987. After the ten founding members, Turkey was one of the first countries to become a member of the Council of Europe in 1949. The country has also been an associate member of the Western European Union from 1992 to its end in 2011. Turkey signed a Customs Union agreement with the EU in 1995 and was officially recognised as a candidate for full membership on 12 December 1999, at the Helsinki summit of the European Council.

Negotiations for full membership were started on 3 October 2005.Progress was slow, and out of the 35 Chapters necessary to complete the accession process only 16 had been opened and one had been closed by May 2016.The early 2016 refugee deal between Turkey and the European Union was intented to accelerate negotiations after previous stagnation and as allow visa-free travel through Europe for Turks.

Turkeys Dictator is about to marry the EU Dictator.

A total nightmare !

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Minonian

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But they recently opened new chapters of negotiation. The only red line for now, is in case if the death penalty is restored in Turkey
Have you lots seen what these 2 did, buit up a lie? And we now need to deny it. And they are have a fake base assumption to point at. In there their base logics is circular.
 
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Javert

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Turkey's application to accede to the European Economic Community, the predecessor of the European Union (EU), was made on 14 April 1987. After the ten founding members, Turkey was one of the first countries to become a member of the Council of Europe in 1949. The country has also been an associate member of the Western European Union from 1992 to its end in 2011. Turkey signed a Customs Union agreement with the EU in 1995 and was officially recognised as a candidate for full membership on 12 December 1999, at the Helsinki summit of the European Council.

Negotiations for full membership were started on 3 October 2005.Progress was slow, and out of the 35 Chapters necessary to complete the accession process only 16 had been opened and one had been closed by May 2016.The early 2016 refugee deal between Turkey and the European Union was intented to accelerate negotiations after previous stagnation and as allow visa-free travel through Europe for Turks.

Turkeys Dictator is about to marry the EU Dictator.

I'm glad we have someone here who knows how to cut and paste Wikepedia and other articles (without crediting it to Wikipedia).

Allow me to add the next sentence from the article also:

"Turkish accession talks came to a halt as a result of the 2016–17 Turkish purges. On 24 November 2016 the European Parliament voted to suspend accession negotiations with Turkey over human rights and rule of law concerns,[8] though this decision was not binding.[9] On 13 December, the European Council (comprising the heads of state or government of the member states) resolved that it would open no new areas in Turkey's membership talks in the "prevailing circumstances",[10] as Turkey’s path toward autocratic rule made progress on EU accession impossible.[11] As of 2017, and especially following Erdogan's victory in the constitutional referendum, Turkish accession talks have effectively stopped.[12][13]"

Turkey has no chance of joining the EU, and the EU is not a dictatorship. If it was, the UK wouldn't be allowed to leave.
 

Minonian

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Likely is not it will happen and as the EU signed an agreement with Turkey, it is likely they have no choice. :)

Likely What? Do you care to explain to me, why Eu is dictatoric, and how EU dictatoric, because turkey made some questionable moves?
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