Jenner
I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
General / Off-Topic UK Only - POLL - How would you now vote if casting your vote again for the referendum?
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The city of Westminster does not have enough police cells for, if we are going to have charges like that, thrown at politicians; oh wait, he is not a Uk MP.
He is however, guilty of inciting riot. I think Maggie made that one carry a life sentence. We just need him locked out of ear shot, for a few months.
Yaffle - you pretty much just called for the arrest of virtually every public figure that has said anything in this debacle so far.
Though I have to agree NF's representational style is possibly not something not something you'd want representing your side in a negotiation.
But then again, given the totally intransigent - publicly at least - attitude of the EU puppet masters on display so far he might as well drop his pants and curl one out on the desk - it's not gonna make any difference to the EXTERMINATE! approach.
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If you don't judge us by Trump I promise not to judge you on this.
Yeah ..... about that ....
They cut out how Schulz roasted Farage :OOO
Javert
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I'd actually like to know why he was even there, and who paid for him to get there? He never normally turned up, so he was obviously only there to gloat and for his own personal self aggrandizement. What other reason could there be?
Javert
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Actually I think that technically under international law, if they are claiming to be refugees, they are supposed to apply for asylum in the first safe country that they arrive in. Problem is that once they arrive in Europe, it's difficult to stop them moving around, and pretty much impossible to ship them back to the first EU country they arrived in even if you knew what country that was, since many of them have thrown away all their papers etc.
Also, if the border controls were removed from Calais, it's would then become a kind of standoff because technically, they would arrive in Dover, but they wouldn't have entered the UK yet until they pass through the official border post, so UK could just put them straight back on the ship. We could get refugee ships going back and forth across the channel.
What UK would then do I guess is find a way to fine the transporters for each refugee they bring over to try to stop the ferry / tunnel from accepting them and put the problem onto the companies.
And yes I agree UK should have taken their fair share of refugees - I am not saying the above is a good thing, just saying this is what might happen.
Well. He is Right about one thing.
Nobody Laughs at this anymore.
We all taught that Nobody could be so Incredible Stupid to Follow his Toughts.
And he has Proven us Incredible Wrong.
He has Proven that Tons of People are Ready to Follow an Absolute Idiot right to the Slaughter Bank like Sheep Follow the Shepherd.
he is like a 10 Year Old Boy. Who just now Managed to Lead all Dogs of the Neighborhood into an Pit and had them jump to their Deaths.
And he knows what he did was Horrible. Now he has the Choice. Humiliation of Admitting that he Never wanted to do this while Begging for Mercy.
Or Claim that he Succeeded and that he is the Hardest Boy in the Neighborhood by Claiming that no matter what Punishment awaits he will not care.
He apparently Choose Second.
Gladly he aint the UKs Premier. Otherwise I would Petition my Country to Immediately Stock up the Army by 3 Times its Size as I am fairly Sure when things Look Bleak for UK this Guy would try Conquering Europe...
Seriously? It's not us who have tried conquer Europe in recent history, considering the sacrifices we made in two world wars you would seriously accuse us of making an aggresive move on Europe? That's just an insult to the people of the UK plain and simple.
You actually try to use the Hitler arguments and a War from a hundred years ago against us? (Again)
Girl, that's so 1945.
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Yaffle
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You say that as if it would be a Bad Thing!
See my petition post on page two and lets make it happen.
Did that poster just not accuse us of possibly making an aggressive military assualt on Europe? What's your view on that?
Sidenote: So an edit needs now to be at least five characters long, too? Who makes these rules up?
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I've just watched Alyn Smith speech on youtube.
Such a short, yet powerful speech.
And then I read the comments bellow.
Sometimes I'm ashamed to be human.
We're used to people patronising us and insulting us. It's part of the pervasive, casual racism that seems to still be ok if it's anti-Scottish.
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So who was being sarcastic: Stalin or Hitler?
I like how you especially put "In recent History" since yeah. You werent the last one to Try. Albeit I would guess your the one who had the most Attempts on it *gg*
Sacrifices of Two World Wars ?
Mate....
You lost 450k People.
Heck India which was your Colony back than had more Sacrifices in WW2 than you.
After you Forsake Poland and Hightailed it out of France you Bunkered Up on your Island.
Leaving the Heavy Lifting of this War to the Soviets.
Hell even the USA which only Joined the War last Minute had more Military Forces and Military Losses.
Your Sacrifices were nothing compared to other Countries.
You know how much Poland and Yugoslavia Sacrificed in that War ?
You know how much France lost ?
Sorry Man.
But Britain is one of the most Aggressive Nations of the World. It had more Offensive Wars than any other Country in Existence.
Claiming that you Shouldered WW2 is an Insult to the Countries in Europe which Paid in Blood.
Heck its an Insult to the USA which Bailed you Out of the Worst and in the Short time it was in War had about the same Casualties as you.
But most of all its an Insult to Russia which was the Nation which actually Fought and Won this War.
To begin with tough.
i was Talking about Nigel Farage. Not about Britain in General.
Farage is Dangerous. He is an typical Fascist. And seeing his Speeches I have no doubt that he would be more than ready to use Military Force to archieve "His Nations Global Ambitions" as he calls it.
Can you really not see what the perceived attitude of the EU and its most vociferous supporters/apologists may be doing? You might just be enabling people like Farage - and the thing is he's not even the worst by a long way.
He's just a gasbag that likes a beer and has a chip on his shoulder about lots of stuff and has no realistic chance of any serious position in government in the UK.
But there are people much worse than him all over Europe - they're in a minority thankfully otherwise we'd all be manning the barricades now.
But the thing is they can appeal to more moderate types through people like Farage because hey guys;
If you don't support the idea of the EU project and you think there might be a better way - when was the last time you got to vote on that - you know like you vote for your own government every few years?
When was the last time any EU member country had a vote about whether they could *gasp* leave the EU (before last week)?
Look at what they're trying to do to the UK who currently has a small majority that rightly or wrongly just want to do their own thing - does that seem reasonable?
Does Brussels look like it's prepared to compromise on anything?
<insert loads of stuff here about immigration that will be exaggerated but people will still recognise nonetheless>
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The problem for people that don't think the EU is the only way forward is that it has basically become a political Hotel California. In theory people can vote for a government/people that can do something about the EU.
The idea is if you have a seat at the table then you have a chance to influence things - yeah - along with the 27 other nations - good luck with that if what you want goes against established “progressive” group think.
The reality for years has been - at least in the UK - it doesn't matter who you vote for because the main parties are divided over the EU and the recent coalition effort was about as effective as an ashtray on a motorbike at pretty much everything. So there has been no option for anyone who thinks there might be a better way.
The EU - as our esteemed Billy Bunter of The Remove might say - has become a fat accomplice (look it up - it's French - from the latin probably!).
Now that's fine if you support the EU project - but for all the people that don't - it's absolutely not fine but there is sod all they can practically do about it.
And if people feel powerless to change a system they don't support, ridiculed and in the brown stuff financially with no real options - well historically we all know how that ends when someone they wouldn't normally give the time of day to comes along with some kind of option that looks at the time in desperation that it might work and might possibly be better than the current outlook of no option .
If people feel pushed hard enough with nowhere to go (all over Europe) then ironically the EU with it's my way or the highway we know best totally inflexible attitudes may actually end up causing the very thing it claims to be protecting against.