Understanding the Negative Feedback

Vander Mey jr.

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Grymr said:
Vander; what are your top three things you like and dislike about this game?
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Likes:

1) It's Elite -- one of my favourite games back from when I started with computers. It is the same game, just better. That's about 80% of my satisfaction with the game right there.

2) Different ways to play. The original Elite didn't really offer anything but flying cargo from A to B and shooting whatever got in your way. Now I can trade, mine, explore, seek out combat, or just plain enjoy the sights. Awesome.

3) Space is cold, and vast. No twitch-reflex shooting, no being forced into some "storyline". You play on your own terms, and meeting other commanders is something special (unless you hang out where everybody else hangs out, which is several flavors of dumb because this game is about space, not the local hangout...

Dislikes:

1) Solo / Group play leaving Open with more than its fair amount of lowlifes.

2) That the extensions -- wings, leaving ship, boarding, planetary, etc. -- aren't here yet. (This is a "christmas" problem: I don't like it that it isn't christmas yet. I'm not blaming santa for not delivering in February, or having my enjoyment of the game as-is being spoiled, it just means that I'd like to have those shiny toys. :) )

3) That this forum right here is >50% "this game sucks" by people who are a failure at expectation management or constructive criticism.

As for "people just coming into the game", just this Sunday I wiped my safepoint and restarted at LHS 3447, because I'm playing (voluntary) Ironman. I saw exactly three commanders in normal space before jumping out, a couple more in supercruise while passing through MC-V B2-7, Kremainn, and Uzumeru -- and am flying through mostly empty space since then, the way I like it to be.

To people just coming into the game the experience is far different than what you probably experienced.
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I think quite a lot of people have jumped on to Elite : Dangerous completely ignorant of what Elite was about, expecting something like CoD-in-space. I knew exactly what I was expecting, and I got exactly what I was expecting -- and more.
 
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McDosy

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As we all are very well aware... there are a lot of people posting negative threads about ED.... Let me try and explain why I believe that is. But first let me explain what it is not... It is NOT hating for hating sake.... It is not People don't like Elite.... It is Not people want to play other games.... It is not they don't know how to play.... It is NOT people don't have imagination.... What these posts are however, are written by people whom Love the Elite universe and feel they have been let down severely by the lack of game. Yes they may be in awe of the Galaxy simulation... but the game is missing. These people including myself feel duped into buying a game at £40 that was not delivered. And we have every right to be vocal about it!
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There are also a lot of replies from people really enjoying the game. Let me explain what this is not... It is NOT loving the game for loving sake.... It is not fanboyism.... It is not gullibility.... It is not stupidity.... It is not low standards.... What these posts are however, are written by people who love Elite Dangerous and feel it is exactly what Elite used to be, exactly what it should be, and exactly what was promised. The game is right there, perfectly resurrected and reproduced for a modern era. You just don't like it. You have every right not to like it, but as we love it, we find it a bit of a shame and will try and explain what it is that we love, in the hope you'll find it too.

These people have every right to express a desire that the game not be changed from what they love in order to turn it into something you like.

Elite was never Skyrim. Elite should never be Skyrim. I love Skyrim, but they are fundamentally incompatible approaches.

I'm in for £125. For that price I'll get all future expansion packs for free - i feel like I've got a great deal.

Honestly mate, 2 or 3 years from now we'll all be walking on planets, and flying low and fast though the valleys of some exotic world, hanging out in the spaceport bar and laughing about how we were worried. The time goes quickly....it only seems like 2 minutes since I pledged at KS....it was over 2 years ago.

I'm very optimistic for the future of this game, and I'll buy you that pint in some backstreet Lavian drinking pit one day.
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Unfortunately, my prediction in this instance is that in 2 or 3 years plus a fortnight, anyone not enjoying flying their ships around now is also going to be bored of walking on planets, flying through valleys and hanging out in spaceports, and will be right back on here complaining about the lack of questlines and galactic impact of their actions.
 

Rifter

Rifter
streki said:
Bethesda is a massive mega corp production house with a game development budget of tens of millions.Frontier is not. Development with a smaller team, and less money will take a lot longer.
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Oh come on.... if they were able to create a galaxy simulation... they could certainly put a game in there...
 

streki

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Rifter said:
Ever heard of updates? Offline mode doesn't require a separate platform at all, and there should be no reason why the galaxy would be static.
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Updates don't prepare themselves.

Therefore some of the FD team must be taken away from the main game development to set them up.

To put it another way: offline is a separate platform.

If resources are taken from the main game, development slows down....we all lose.
 

Vander Mey jr.

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McDosy said:
There are also a lot of replies from people really enjoying the game. Let me explain what this is not... It is NOT loving the game for loving sake.... It is not fanboyism.... It is not gullibility.... It is not stupidity.... It is not low standards.... What these posts are however, are written by people who love Elite Dangerous and feel it is exactly what Elite used to be, exactly what it should be, and exactly what was promised. The game is right there, perfectly resurrected and reproduced for a modern era. You just don't like it. You have every right not to like it, but as we love it, we find it a bit of a shame and will try and explain what it is that we love, in the hope you'll find it too.
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Thank YOU. Have some rep.
 

Rifter

Rifter
McDosy said:
There are also a lot of replies from people really enjoying the game. Let me explain what this is not... It is NOT loving the game for loving sake.... It is not fanboyism.... It is not gullibility.... It is not stupidity.... It is not low standards.... What these posts are however, are written by people who love Elite Dangerous and feel it is exactly what Elite used to be, exactly what it should be, and exactly what was promised. The game is right there, perfectly resurrected and reproduced for a modern era. You just don't like it. You have every right not to like it, but as we love it, we find it a bit of a shame and will try and explain what it is that we love, in the hope you'll find it too.These people have every right to express a desire that the game not be changed from what they love in order to turn it into something you like. Elite was never Skyrim. Elite should never be Skyrim. I love Skyrim, but they are fundamentally incompatible approaches.Unfortunately, my prediction in this instance is that in 2 or 3 years plus a fortnight, anyone not enjoying flying their ships around now is also going to be bored of walking on planets, flying through valleys and hanging out in spaceports, and will be right back on here complaining about the lack of questlines and galactic impact of their actions.
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I guess you think yourself a bright spark ey? How about this.... Those that react overly positive and feel threatened by the mere mention that Elite is not up to scratch are doing so because they personally feel how dare someone dislike Elite... 'I've invested so much of my love of this game just how dare they.... Oh and by the way I love Elite no matter what it is... if they fed me Elite with 1984 graphics i'd love it honest I really would... go away you heathens for pointing out the short comings in my Precocious... oh My Prescoucssssss.....'
 
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nosscar

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Also to add to the above.
I actually do moan sometimes about lack of content, in fact i have not played for a week due to this.
But, i still think the joy i have had so far (over the last few months) is well worth the £50 beta i paid, i will always have this game to play again, i can wait for what i want to come to the game (if it comes), and i will still buy the expansions to try as well.

I have bought games before and finished them within a week, i have bought games that were rubbish and not touched them.
At least i can say i got value from ED.
 

HaiderGill

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I agree with you on that but It was initially why was going alpha or beta. I joined post kickstarter but in the early stages to help the game along by allowing interest to be shown in pounds sterling to potential investors. It's very early days at the moment we are the like pilgrim fathers. It will take time building a New Amsterdan then a New York. We will be a part of that process. Frontier have provide a canvas and frame, we provide the painting. Their duty is to ensure that more users come to the game of course we the community too have part to play in that...
 

Titus Balls

Titus Balls
Personally I've waited 20 years, spend close to £200 on the game alone (PB + Skins) and on top of that X55, DK2, Buttkicker and all the other upgrades - over £1000 for one game. Hundreds of hours sunk in to it too since May 2014.

Trust me, I don't hate Elite - I love it and I want it to survive - everything I've ever posted is for that reason.

I know some people find me antagonistic - I'd rather call it passion :p
 
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McDosy

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Rifter said:
I guess you think yourself a bright spark ey? How about this.... Those that react overly positive and feel threatened by the mere mention that Elite is not up to scratch are doing so because they personally feel how dare someone dislike Elite... I've invested so much of my love of this game just how dare they.... Oh and by the way I love Elite no matter what it is... if they fed me Elite with 1984 graphics i'd love it honest I really would... go away you heavens for pointing out the short comings in my Precocious... oh My Prescoucssssss.....
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How about that? Well, what about it? That's the exact the opposite of what I just explained to you, but with a bit of childish abuse laced in. And?

I don't feel threatened or indignant about someone not liking something that I like. I'll try and get others to like it, because that's what I do with all the things I like, but if you don't it's really no skin of my nose. Why are you so indignant at me liking it?

I also don't like Elite because I'm emotionally invested in it. I just enjoy playing it. I am well aware of it's shortcomings, it's just they're not the things you think are shortcomings. I wouldn't accept Elite with 1984 graphics, but astoundingly that isn't what I have.

Now that's all cleared up, you can try and insult me some more if you like.
 
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samevo4

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Haven't bothered reading anything after the first couple of posts tbh. What would help solve all these threads is FD letting us know what the future plans are with the game and what sort of time frame, whats coming, what def isn't and what possibly could.
 

Antmax

Antmax
Maybe moan and whine threads should be flagged so you can choose to ignore them. Sometimes the forums feel like facebook where I put a lot of people on ignore for my wall but keep them as friends. All the negativity gets tiresome and rubs off making me feel more grumpy.
 

Vander Mey jr.

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Jezzah said:
Likely for precisely the same reason you are in this thread in fairness. emotional investment and all that.
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But when I cannot contribute to the betterment of something -- and flinging poo is not contributing -- all I can do is spoil the enjoyment of others, and very likely deal damage to the very thing I am emotionally invested in as well. Tells you something about the personality involved, now does it?
 
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NewYears1978

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Patrick_68000 said:
The people are simply in search of the life and the dynamism in the galaxy. ED would be a marvelous place, if the galaxy swarmed of life
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I agree with that. People who take the time to post negative feedback, generally do it with a heavy heart on a game they enjoy and want to love and it to be more long term. I haven't seen too many (some yes, but not an overloaded amount) immature posts where people simply rant about the game sucking. In fact, the fanboys posts I have seen coming in to bash the people who post negative feedback have been more immature than the negative posts themselves (at least from what I have seen)

Compared to many communities I have been in, most of the negative posts are more heartfelt criticism of things they believe are wrong with a game they want to enjoy so bad. Nothing wrong with that either. It would be nice if FD would respond to such posts though...

People might be less inclined to keep posting said posts if FD had any form of public presence with the community.
 
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AtheosisX

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Lustan said:
May be this should change. A nominal monthly sub might help? Or fast expansions (every 6 months) with fair price tags?
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You need actual content, and a lot of it, to get people to pay sub fees. That or you need a lot of emergent gameplay. This has neither.
 
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