Undiscovered Star Systems...

I am currently working on a method to predict where undiscovered star systems can still be found with some high certainty. The idea is to be able plot a course in the Galaxy Map (based on my current Location) to nearby star systems that I know for sure are still 'Undiscovered', rather than plotting a line from A to B and 'hope' it contains an undiscovered star system or two.

Therefore, I'm pretty sure that the following (random areas) of undiscovered star systems can still be found near to the bubble:-

HIP 46620
HIP 46622
HIP 46626
HIP 46628
HIP 46629

HIP 69695


CHAMAELEON SECTOR ZP-O B6-0
CHAMAELEON SECTOR ZP-O B6-3
CHAMAELEON SECTOR ZP-O B6-5

If you could Let me know what you find it would be much appreciated.
 
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Certainly you can find systems which exist but aren't in 3rd-party databases easily enough this way: anything where "<sector> <subsector>-N" is known will almost certainly have all <N also existing unless their name has been overridden by something else.

EDSM's database - and the others are probably similar - only contains about a third of the total discovered systems, so no guarantees - especially not near to the bubble - that it hasn't been discovered anyway, of course. But definitely worth a try.

... so that might work for Chamaeleon Sector, or things like Synuefe, but be careful when trying to apply the same to the HIP stars, because they often have a different name on the galaxy map...

HIP 46620
Alternate name for V482 Carinae - known to EDSM under the primary name

HIP 46622
Alternate name for HD 82600 - known to EDSM under the primary name

HIP 46626
Alternate name for the Thor system within the bubble. Will have been repeatedly visited over the last ten years, even if just by people passing through on their way somewhere else.

HIP 46628
Visited in 2018 according to EDSM

HIP 46629
Also visited in 2018 according to EDSM

HIP 69695
Alternate name for HD 124997. Has been visited according to EDSM. Given its placement you might need a Fleet Carrier to get to it, though.
 
Just to add an additional bit of recent news as context, as of a few days ago there are no visitable HIP stars left unvisited. A long-running survey project has just finished taking care of that.

Congrats to the commanders taking part in that project. It was only yesterday that I discovered a star system that was not listed with EDDB or EDSM yet a commander had discovered two of the planets and left all the others alone, including the single main star. I did some checking and a friend of mine explained how that happened. I cant be certain, but I too may have done the same a few times since way back in ED's past it was a bit of a pain doing these system scans.
 
Looking for tag something in exploration? Thats kind too late for that, all obvious nice and shiny things are arleady been tagged. I mean, things that can be spoted in gal map. Due of that, despite frontier claims that we aint even seen 1% of galaxy yet, it still feels like every region and area, that have something intresting, its been tagged already. I find it ironic, cuz all whats left could be anywhere, and hoping find something really good is same as hoping getting all numbers in lotto. In other words, luck luck and more luck is needed.

Only decent things in exploration left to find (as first) are random proc generated systems that might contain something odd or really rare (system with like 8 earthlikes,GGG's etc.).
It might be well as 1000ly away, in relative close to bubble or at other side of galaxy.

But preety much anything intresting that can be spoted at galaxy map such as nebulas of any size, big stars, rare stars, odd star formations... those are long time already tagged and visited atleast once since launch. HIP and HD systems got all tagged already, same with those wich have non-procedular names...

Its not hard to get into areas wich contain tons of unvisited stars, but even on those (like anywhere in galaxy) u can find plently of "legacy" tags from era when some cmdrs looked mostly for earth-likes, WW or ammonia worlds ingoring anything else. Cuz yeah, back in day, we had to fly close to body in order to scan it.. but atleast honkin did reveal all bodies in map, back then but it did not granted a tag, unless scanned up close... thats why there is tons of systems where even not main star is tagged, but only one or two bodies. Same story as why some might wonder why lot of cmdr dont scanned terraformables, cuz those didnt pay much back then as well... and for many, myself included, if it was not WW, earth-like or amonia, spending 10 mins to get scan just one rock was no-no. We just grabbed whats was best worth at the time and moved on.

Currently u need count things visible on map vs honk number result, to know if there is something "left"... and I find that kind of annoying, especially with systems with lots of bodies 50+... But if you get into system that aint been visited by anyone yet, map is empty.

Same thing with first mapping, tons of systems with only first discovery and nothing else.... still it dont feel as good when u stumble upon something nice, completly unvisited yet.. but atleast payday from mapping is still decent, and somewhat rewarding if there is something really rare to map, desptie it being not first one to find it.

Of course, there are permit locked regions that have some of nice things unvisited yet, but who knows when or if ever, if those permits would be granted or lifted. But Im more than sure, that any of those region if would be open, it will be matter of hours to get name onto something.
 
Looking for tag something in exploration? Thats kind too late for that, all obvious nice and shiny things are arleady been tagged. I mean, things that can be spoted in gal map. Due of that, despite frontier claims that we aint even seen 1% of galaxy yet, it still feels like every region and area, that have something intresting, its been tagged already. I find it ironic, cuz all whats left could be anywhere, and hoping find something really good is same as hoping getting all numbers in lotto. In other words, luck luck and more luck is needed.
Really just depends on what you're looking for!

Just want your name to show up in the system map? Grab Odyssey! There's still landable bodies in the Bubble that don't have a First Footfall tag yet.

Looking to get a first discovery on a black hole, binary neutron star, or something like that? Still reasonably easy, go comb through the neutron fields in the outer part of the galactic core.

Wallet feeling light, need those big exploration payouts? Well currently the meta there is xenobiology, which doesn't take anything more than a Sidey (with a fuel scoop) and an Artemis suit.

Want to put your name on an undiscovered system inside a nebula? Well yes that's a bit harder now. But not impossible, there's still new planetary nebulae being discovered now and then.

I guess if you step out of the fourth wall a little bit, then yes, your odds of encountering a totally new asset that no player has seen before are quite bad unless you go intensively searching the day a game update lands. But unless you've put thousands of hours and millions of light years into the game, there's probably plenty out there that you yourself have never seen. (For reference, the Canonn Challenge - and that only covers the known space-based lifeforms and anomalies - will send you a minimum of around 400,000 LY.)
 
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So only 99.941% left to find... Hurry up before it is all finished!
 
Really just depends on what you're looking for!

Just want your name to show up in the system map? Grab Odyssey! There's still landable bodies in the Bubble that don't have a First Footfall tag yet.
As early pionner myself, what I would want should be completely (not those usual procedular systems, but catalog ones or named) untouched systems with really nice things inside, those are what I would look for, so I could double tag it and triple tag whats possible on such systems... Mere firstfalls tag is no worth hassle in my eyes, maybe if in really nice systems, but I would not bother with 40-50k ly trip to get only those.

In past, I simply looked at gal map for hours to find "destination" and that was enough to get what I wanted back then. For most of part, I was able to find amazing stuff along way, well as destination was untouched... these days not really possible anymore... whenever I find rare star (wolf rayets) or something good in system these days, despite being middle of seemingly untouched areas, its guaratneed to be tagged, even if only that from entire system or areas... (like those ringed earth-like ir WW moons that orbits gas giants)

And I should mention that exploration vibe was also diffrent, years ago for those reasons... if you went somewhere really far, you was sure that u are in area where no one been yet.... todays is not anymore.... There is no regions that are competly untouched wich dont require multiple FC jumps to get there, apart of permit regions. Without that vibe, exploration is not as tempting as it was in past. Not mentioning those modern jump ranges and FC being present in every region, wich makes me feel that I am not really far from nearest landing spot.

Looking to get a first discovery on a black hole, binary neutron star, or something like that? Still reasonably easy, go comb through the neutron fields in the outer part of the galactic core.
Actually I had done trip specifically for those about 7-8 years ago. Been and done that. Preety sure that area where I went first is still mostly untouched, but who knows after all these years ;)


Wallet feeling light, need those big exploration payouts? Well currently the meta there is xenobiology, which doesn't take anything more than a Sidey (with a fuel scoop) and an Artemis suit.
My wallet aint is empty at all (over 30B total think, cuz that asset stat is bugged), have enough to not even bother with new gold rushes every now and then... neither need to worry about my FC upkeeps and rebuys.

Unless invisible planet bug is fixed, I refuse to make any longer trip, cuz once I am far enough, it more becomes annoying to point where I cant bear it anymore.

And that payouts are outright broken imo, Ive done one planet with 6 bio for like 100m!



Want to put your name on an undiscovered system inside a nebula? Well yes that's a bit harder now. But not impossible, there's still new planetary nebulae being discovered now and then.
I done trips to hunt specifically those as well, and that was also done in very same trip as when for BH wich mention above. In fact, huntin for planetary nebulas was main reason for most of my longer trips... But aint had luck in recent years, preety much any I could find was tagged already... but managed map and tag myself quite few of them though.


I guess if you step out of the fourth wall a little bit, then yes, your odds of encountering a totally new asset that no player has seen before are quite bad unless you go intensively searching the day a game update lands. But unless you've put thousands of hours and millions of light years into the game, there's probably plenty out there that you yourself have never seen. (For reference, the Canonn Challenge - and that only covers the known space-based lifeforms and anomalies - will send you a minimum of around 400,000 LY.)
For exploration, I think Ive done preety much all I ever wanted, after all, I was among very firsts of firsts who visited SagitA* (like 2-3 months after relase duh!), been in beagle point, and seen most of wonders or really amazing systems(those wich are within up to 50k ly), and did put my name on quite few things out there. Whats really left is findin own GGG, but I aint even dream to stumble upon one. I rather have lotto win instead :ROFLMAO:

So only 99.941% left to find... Hurry up before it is all finished!
Thing is, that preety much all that procedular stuff in middle and between of really intresting stuff wich been already visited, and that whole point of what I tryin to say here.
 
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Thing is, that preety much all that procedular stuff in middle and between of really intresting stuff wich been already visited, and that whole point of what I tryin to say here.
All the really interesting stuff is already gone?
Yet only 0.06% of 400 billion systems have been visited?
Ok, if you insist... Did you check all 400 billion on the GalMap to ensure you didn't miss something good?
 
Last year I got my name in the Codex for 5 different biologicals as the first discoverer of them in their respective regions.

I also found a landable ice planet that had a temperature of over 30°C during the day.

I've found mountains to hike up and canyons to fly.

It's true that you're not going to find a long lost alien civilisation out there. To be honest, this is a complaint that can't ever be fixed. If frontier adds hidden things to find like this, they get found and then people complain there's nothing left. If the procedurally generated lots of "special" things to find, people would complain that there's nothing actually interesting to find.

If you want to be an explorer now, you've gotta have an appreciation for stellar forge quirks and unique system configurations or planet formations.

If that doesn't work for you, I don't think there's much frontier could ever do to fix that problem.

That said, you could always be the first one to discover something like a new HGG or even a GGG.

I guess I just never really understand these complaints. Yes, looking on the galaxy map for nebulas is not going to give you any free first discovered tags. Because, like you, everyone else before you had that idea. I don't really know what you're expecting.

Frontier just 2 years ago added so many new landable planets and revitalised all the old ones. There are whole new landscapes out there to discover now, new mountains, skies and horizons. They could add earthlike worlds tomorrow and people would still say "I've been to one, they're all procedural so none of them mean anything there's nothing actually unique to find"

My approach would be to reevaluate what you actually want from exploration. Personally, I want to travel alone through the black, looking for unique systems (billions of those still exist untouched), unique planets (trillions or more), and unique vistas (even more of those). The joy of flying through a real, persistent galaxy is what keeps exploration alive for me. And that's something the game gives in spades.

And on the aspect of community comin together for things like the DSSA, famous explorers didn't just get famous from a discovery. They get famous from community. Beagle Point is not just famous because a guy called Erimus went there first. It's famous because he catalogued the journey, shared it with the community and then helped organise and uplift the exploration community during its early days.

If you want to leave your mark on the galaxy, you need to be willing to work with and for the community itself.

Basically, the real exploration was the friends we made along the way.
 
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If you want to be an explorer now, you've gotta have an appreciation for stellar forge quirks and unique system configurations or planet formations.
This is it.

236 million systems discovered, and only one World of Death (and a couple of "near misses" on the same pattern) known so far.
Green Gas Giants well under one in a million systems.

As you say, if it was easy to find someone else would already have done so, and if it was hard to find you won't find it either (statistically speaking), so it has to be about enjoying what you find whether it's "new" to the community as a whole or not. Plenty out there that I haven't personally seen yet.
 
This is it.

236 million systems discovered, and only one World of Death (and a couple of "near misses" on the same pattern) known so far.
Green Gas Giants well under one in a million systems.

And a recently discovered new record for highest gravity on a landable planet, in a catalogue system no less, I suppose there could be one with higher gravity, got to keep looking! (y)
 
Want to put your name on an undiscovered system inside a nebula? Well yes that's a bit harder now. But not impossible, there's still new planetary nebulae being discovered now and then.
There are also undiscovered systems inside and near "large" nebulae, not just the planetary ones. I recently thought about doing another carrier-based survey expedition of those (I led one two years ago), and checked the situation now. There should still be tens of thousands of nebula systems undiscovered, and that's just mass code D, so not counting red/brown dwarfs and the like. Star densities inside the galactic core can just be this high. (In the end though, I decided not to do another expedition, simply because I'd spend most of my available play time jumping the carrier.)

As for catalogue systems, and systems inside name-overridden sectors (whenever there's "Sector" in the name, such as "Struve's Lost Sector AA-Z c1"), one should keep in mind that their contents are also procedurally generated. The initial values, for the main stars and such, are taken from real life data, but from then on, it's the Stellar Forge again. There are very few systems where their contents were manually edited by FD, and IIRC they're all in the bubble.

I think that the only "resource" that has completely run dry by today are real life planetary nebulae. The ones that can be reached, have already been visited. Some systems can still be found around real life nebulae, though only the lesser-known ones, and only the dimmer stars there too. As for systems within 100 ly of procedurally generated nebulae (that distance is what the game uses to determine proximity for most nebula-based stuff), well, plenty of those to go around still, and at this rate, they'll last a long while.

But otherwise, the only times one can be the first to reach new areas (not just singular systems) are when Frontier increases the maximum possible jump range. Since fleet carriers, the jump range to "beat" now would be 500 ly. If Frontier will ever increase the maximum possible beyond that, then there will be some new undiscovered systems to explore.

At the extreme end, there's still a large area at the end of the Outer Arm that hasn't been visited by anybody, as you'd need a jump range of around 2,000 ly to cross the gap from what's currently reachable. So, unless Frontier makes a CG campaign or something, those will most likely remain undiscovered forever.

I guess if you step out of the fourth wall a little bit, then yes, your odds of encountering a totally new asset that no player has seen before are quite bad unless you go intensively searching the day a game update lands.
I believe that the last time that was done was last April, with T-03 Anomalies, by yours truly - see here. Although I think it's debatable whether a different type of Anomaly is a totally new asset, but hey, at the end of the day, it did get me some more unique Codex tags. Although I'm fairly certain it went undiscovered this long mostly because very few people cared (and care) about Notable Stellar Phenomena.

Otherwise though, yeah, whenever an update lands that adds new exploration content (in the last four years, we had two), then there's a gold rush, and the low-hanging fruits get picked clean in a matter of days.

Of course, there are always the extreme rarities of the Stellar Forge, the edge cases of procedural generation, which not only weren't seen by anyone yet, but not even seen by the developers themselves. Personally, I think these are the best ones, but well, due to their very nature, there's a lot of luck involved even if you look at the most suitable candidates only. Oh well, that's the thing with rarities.
 
All the really interesting stuff is already gone?
Yet only 0.06% of 400 billion systems have been visited?
Ok, if you insist... Did you check all 400 billion on the GalMap to ensure you didn't miss something good?
If I did checked all 400B systems to find if there is something good left in there?

I did not, as if there is anyone who can pull that one off, how about u, huh? can you do it? :unsure:

Again, I rather have a lotto win instead, thank you. Cuz that seems easier than findin GGG or HGG for example.

Go find me unvisited wolf rayet or planetary neublas, go ahead, and lemme know if you find any ok? Ah, one more thing, you need be one who search of it, posting others findings dont count, bonus points for ya if near bubble :ROFLMAO:

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There is surely something good hidden left at it, I dont negate it and I am aware of that... But thing is, that luck is needed with that, Like at tons of it.



If you want to be an explorer now, you've gotta have an appreciation for stellar forge quirks and unique system configurations or planet formations.

Yes, thats the point. Thing is this require more luck than just being "first" somewhere.

The diffrence between "old" exploration (when game was relased the very first year) vs current, when most extremes/obvious thinges have been long time reached. In end, its like 9 years now, and thats more than enough time to get most of obvious things for anyone who did bother a bit. In end, this is one of best games out there for dedicated explorers, and even few of those already did reply in this thread.


If that doesn't work for you, I don't think there's much frontier could ever do to fix that problem.
Its not like Im complain and never said thats a "problem" for me either. Its only natural that game will run of "obvious" things in enough time. I had my chance back in 2014-15 and did find few things at that times, so I cant say that I "missed" my window of opportunity to be somewhere where no one yet been before... Its just diffrent these days, cuz its not as much viable anymore, and thats whole point why I post here.

I guess I just never really understand these complaints.
I guess probly thats because you aint played since launch like I did.
Yes, looking on the galaxy map for nebulas is not going to give you any free first discovered tags. Because, like you, everyone else before you had that idea. I don't really know what you're expecting.
Saying you this, sounds as you did assume that I was late in party or something... well its not that. I think I had first trip like 2 weeks after relase, and first big one at very day when 1000ly ploting was added. You know, in very first year or two, lookin at gal map did give me always firsts if went bit far enough, and I glad I did it back then :cool:

To clarify further, my take for exploration is "being first" somewhere, where others surely will be there later, cuz is obvious. A lot of these places was among most amazing I did find so far, that why I cant be content by mere random findings that require more luck than anything else, wich unless being shared with community, are very unlikely to be visited by anyone else.

Well, find nice object in gal map and go for it, simple as it can be. No wonder many others went same way. But that how it was in early years of elite.

These days? I hate to write it all over again and again, but exploration dont feel as good for me, because of modern jump ranges combined with neutron boosts and with cherry on top, FC being in every corner in galaxy, causes that when you are in other side of galaxy, you dont feel as remote/far away as it used to be, that you are far from nearest civilisation, as when it was in first years.

And worst of worst, currently is that invisible planets in SC bug, wich makes me unable to go anywhere far atm. Its too ugly to bear and I cant stand it.
 
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If I did checked all 400B systems to find if there is something good left in there?
but..
I did not,
I know
as if there is anyone who can pull that one off, how about u, huh? can you do it? :unsure:
Not me who claimed there was nothing left to find, was it?
Again, I rather have a lotto win instead, thank you. Cuz that seems easier than findin GGG or HGG for example.
Are there none left to find, then?
Go find me unvisited wolf rayet
Been there, done that...
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or planetary neublas, go ahead, and lemme know if you find any ok?
Sure, I'll invite you out there...
Ah, one more thing, you need be one who search of it,
Is there any other way?
I picked up one of these along the way, too...
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posting others findings dont count,
Of course they don't...
bonus points for ya if near bubble :ROFLMAO:
Oh well, at least you still have a sense of humour... I prefer Colonia, thanks...
 
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To clarify further, my take for exploration is "being first" somewhere, where others surely will be there later, cuz is obvious. A lot of these places was among most amazing I did find so far, that why I cant be content by mere random findings that require more luck than anything else, wich unless being shared with community, are very unlikely to be visited by anyone else.

Well, find nice object in gal map and go for it, simple as it can be. No wonder many others went same way. But that how it was in early years of elite.

These days? I hate to write it all over again and again, but exploration dont feel as good for me, because of modern jump ranges combined with neutron boosts and with cherry on top, FC being in every corner in galaxy, causes that when you are in other side of galaxy, you dont feel as remote/far away as it used to be, that you are far from nearest civilisation, as when it was in first years.

I was late to the party too having only learned about Elite during the distant worlds 2 expedition. I get where you're coming from, the game will be 9 years old this year and the galaxy as a background playground hasn't changed at all since the early days. Yes there's been new worlds to land on since then, and new plants to scan, but every region has been visited now, every nebulae charted, every star cluster explored, and the most distant reachable systems visited many times by many players, the highest reachable ones too, and the lowest.. So in that sense there are no more 'firsts'. I guess the galaxy is like your local beach, you've explored every corner of it and found its the same old beach every time you go for a walk along it, year after year, you've just not looked at every grain of sand on it, and why would you when there's little difference between them all.

But that's the nature of games like this. Its not the kind of game where whole new regions and continents are added over time to give newer players that sense of adventure and awe to go explore them for the first time, like the players back in the day did when the original 'lands' were added. Instead Elites 'macro' gameworld has remained the same since 2014 or whenever it was introduced. I hope one day frontier will add globular clusters, open the magellenic clouds, and maybe even add whole new galaxies with new regions to chart. I think that's what newer players would enjoy as that's something that would give them their own sense of awe and excitement at setting out into a gameworld that very few have travelled through (like those back in the early days of Elite had). I think frontier saying only a fraction of the systems in the current galaxy have been visited is a great soundbite which they use every once in a while, but anyone whose now wise to it knows its a bit disingenuous, especially since frontier of all people know their procedural algorithm isn't all that good at generating weird and wonderful diversity. So its just numbers in the end, meaningless numbers.
 
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