Bilby is not uncommon, neither would be perentie. I think chuditch and electricmonk would agree that most people in their areas would know them. Just cause an animal is uncommon to you doesnt mean it's not well known in other parts of the world.
Ungulate Talk
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Speaking as somebody who's seen them often in the wild as well as a few times in a zoo, roadrunners are actually bigger than the prairie dogs and meerkats. Well, at the very least, they're much longer and taller. So, I don't think that it's too small an animal
Yeah, but it adds a 2nd sheep as well as one from the desert. Although another sheep from another place, like the Barbary sheep, would be better since it's another continent
As previously mentioned, while almost absent from zoos in North America, Darwin’s rhea is well established in the EAZA and the number of zoos that hold it are only increasing. Both Darwin’s rhea and the greater rhea live in deserts, but the former to a significantly greater degree (they even live in parts of the Atacama), hence why I chose it for the pack. It being the smaller rhea species also helps differentiate it more from the ostrich.
Neither are true, there are many many Australian mammals that are significantly more obscure and it’s a perfectly reasonable size for a habitat animal. It’s a zoo staple in Australia (while many species from the Arid Animal Pack are not), would represent a new order of mammals, and even though it isn’t a well known animal internationally, it’s unique and cutesy appearance would still make it an extremely marketable pick.
Ordinarily I’d have chosen the peccary, but Nutrit specifically removed that option. In any case, I chose the ringtail as the nominate North American representative here because it’s my personal favourite mammal from the continent and because I’d rather a second procyonid to yet another cat or dog. It’d also be the first carnivoran that’s mostly endemic to the drier regions of North America rather than also occurring extensively in other environments.
Also, in regards to all the “obscure small mammals”, you mentioned this in an earlier post:
Do you know what are more dominant in deserts than ungulates? Small nocturnal mammals. This is simply a reflection of what biodiversity in deserts is actually like. The more small mammals to make desert night houses with the better I say.
Because I feel like these choices would just bring a lot more to the game in general. Like, regardless of what “zoo staples” they are (which is very dependant on what region you’re from), a pack with yet another African/Arabian desert cat, 5 more African ungulates and the first porcupine feels a lot less fresh and interesting to me than a pack with 2 more African ungulates, the first porcupine, the first small desert mammal from Australia, the first bird from South America proper (king penguin doesn’t count lol), the first desert-dwelling tortoise and the first dryland specialist carnivoran from North America. It’s also just a better reflection of the biodiversity of deserts. If you disagree that’s fine, but that just means we have different views on what species we value as important additions.
EDIT: It’s also worthy of note that in my true optimum pack I’d replace addax with Hamadryas baboon and ringtail with collared peccary, so it’d also have the first baboon and first tayassuid/first suinan from the Americas.
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Oh, you got me!
No, you didn't. The black-and-white ruffed lemur was not highly-requested, and could be easily thrown together by adjusting the red ruffed lemur. They made us pay real money for the blue wildebeest, Asian water monitor, and dromedary, all animals which could easily have been anniversary animals, so you can sure as hell bet they aren't giving away the baboon for free. Honestly even the tortoise is an unrealistic expectation, because it's so popular that Frontier knows we'll pay for it, so why would they give it away for free?
Of the three you think of as "likely" only the American black bear is actually very "likely".
While you make some good points, the red deer was also requested but we got for free
It was hardly requested. A handful of people wanted it because they connected that one wall sign and topiary with the red deer.
In any case, I've always strongly suspected that the red deer already existed in some capacity pretty far back, it was just never released. And if that wasn't the case, its popularity dropped off big time after the fallow deer released, similarly to how the popularity of the lar gibbon diminished once we got the siamang. Only a few of us are really sticklers for exact species/subspecies.
The American Black bear is more popular than the tortoise so I think they could both easily fit for it. Also the red deer was pretty popular. I could be misrembering but I think it was top 30 on the meta. Still think baboon is too unique to get I though. Maybe a langur or Squirrel Monkey could work if we're going primates.
I'm dubious about that. A macaque is more likely if they give us a monkey - like the barbary macaque. Langurs are not like any of the monkeys we currently have in the game, except sort of the proboscis monkey. The squirrel monkey is also rather different from the capuchin, but I could see it (though let's be real, they'd release another capuchin first).
I would Suhak (Saiga tatarica).
Vs the 449 holders of the Greater Rhea? Its the subpar choice and much rarer.
I'm fairly sure as long as it's a rhea people won't really care which one it is. Case and point the wild water buffalo or the three toed sloth.
I think the problem with another Capuchin is the Capuchin is a DLC species. So I kinda struggle to think they'd release the tufted Capuchin (which I really think we should get given how much of a Zoo staple it is) as a free update. A Macaque would be based off the Japanese Macaque which is base game. So would make more sense. I'd invision the Barbary or, more likely, the Sulawesi Crested Black Macaque. Maybe Lion-Tail but I think that's different enough they'd sell it in a DLC
Yeah, but that didn't stop them from adding the red deer. Though over all I don't think a monkey is a likely contender for the anniversary anyway.
I mean, Darwin's rhea has almost the exact same number of holdings in the EAZA as the addax (54 vs 55), and more than the Somali wild ass (39) and dama gazelle (32). So why are those "zoo staples" while the rhea is too rare to be considered?
Of course I think the greater rhea is objectively the more useful pick given it's more widespread in Europe and also kept in North America (while Darwin's isn't). But I'd rather any rhea vs no rhea - I think a potential Highlands Animal Pack is one of the best options left for rheas (especially now both Grasslands and Arid have passed), and there the species of choice would again be the Darwin's rhea.
Given any baboon would just be a Macaque remodel that would be no more difficult than the Red Deer remodel of the Fallow deer, it is very plausible. Its not a new rig and any anticipated future packs are unlikely to be suitable for its addition (Islands, temperate, aviaries, domestics etc.) The main obstacle imo would be a potential gelada addition in some sort of Highlands pack.
And the black and white ruffled Lemur was very much a popular request. One of the most common animals in zoos, critically endangered, found in previous Zoo games, a Primate...
Just because it didn't excite you doesn't mean it wasn't highly anticipated.
Yeah I did think that, but I guess the red deer is flightly more unique from the Fallow Deer. Any new Capuchin wouldn't need any model change really.
Both of which many community members were irritated by. Many were questioning why it wasn't the domestic water buffalo and the Sloth caused a big stir.
I'd agree with you if the addax and the somali wild ass had a near identical species with five times as many holders. Same reason other random decisions have always bugged me - White-fronted Capuchin over tufted, three-toed Sloth over two-toed, Himalayan Brown Bear over European Brown bear etc.
But I can't see on what planet a species with 450 holders in European alone and likely a similar number in North America + many holders in Asia is a worse pick than a similar species with roughly 50 holders worldwide.
Eh, Darwin's rhea is still has a much larger captive presence than any of those species so it wouldn't bug me as much. From what I've heard, it's also a "phase in" species for the EAZA, meaning it's becoming significantly more common as time goes on.
I literally said greater rhea was the preferable pick lol (where did you get "worse pick" from), Darwin's rhea just fits better into some pack ideas because it lives in more extreme conditions. Also I think it's pretty likely that there's zoos in South America that keep them too, it's just harder to get data on that.
No ungulates of course in this last pack. Which is understandable considering Arid.
What ungulates do you want/expect with the winter pack?
What ungulates do you want/expect with the winter pack?