General / Off-Topic Unisex Toilets...

I have seen these things at festivals and campings since forever, no idea what is weird about it.

Absolutely!
I think I remember submerged urinals popping out if the ground in Rotterdam, which I thought was sensible and those didn't have much privacy.
Probably, being British, we have a bit of a hang up about most bodily functions lol!
I think the best system I've seen at festivals is unisex 'drop' compost toilets with an extra urinals section so men don't hog the sit down queue...
Ps: there's government advice on number of toilets and types, I looked it up for starcitizen reference (long story) lol
 
I don't think Unisex toilets will ever be mainstream. Trendy... but trends come and go.
Someone will always cross a line and someone will always complain and expect protection.

I sincerely doubt that people who 'cross a line' are going to be deterred by a 'women only' sign. And I think the boy scouts and catholic church has provided ample documentation that you can cross the line in the worst possible way literally thousands upon thousands of time for many decades and even centuries without their being any major repercussion.

This whole 'safety' argument is basically just nonsense, originating from people who simply are against the concept but dont really have any strong reasons other than their feelies. :p

Absolutely!
I think I remember submerged urinals popping out if the ground in Rotterdam, which I thought was sensible and those didn't have much privacy.

Could well be, we have them in many major Dutch cities. You dont typically use them on a tuesday afternoon at noon, but they are a godsend during festivities and the night life.
 
Eh, I wouldn't be so sure. Bathroom etiquette (as with all etiquette) is fluid. It has been different in the past and will be different in the future.

You are right that there will always be someone willing to cross a line, but those kinds of people are not likely to be encouraged by unisex bathrooms... just as they are not likely to be deterred by the opposite.

I'm not sure of an example in history of a culture that had unisex toilets and bathroom facilities as its mainstream custom, (but you are free to enlighten me). The separation of the sexes has typically been the default in this regard as far as im aware.

Now when i talk about 'someone crossing a line' that does not necessarily have to mean your average pervert, it could litterally be anyone at anytime for a number of reasons from an accidental flash to a brazen act of drunken revelry which could easily be flagged as a S3x crime if someone felt the need to make enough of a deal about it, the reverse can also become the case when someone wishes to complain and wave their conservative values in the faces of those in charge. This invites headaches for the business concerned or the local authorities that manage the WC.

Now my arguement is being presented from the perspective that Unisex become the mainstream (see my op) in all public bathroom facilities in a given country, i have no issue with unisex bathrooms personally and the inclusion of this in nightclubs for example does not phase me because a night club is a place you visit and expect an open liberal atmosphere, but for unisex to become the standard in the highstreet i do not think that this will ever happen outside of some idealised culturally uniform liberal utopia.

I live in the U.K and we are told every day that the U.K is a multicultural society... which means that we are supposed to be a culture of cultures, we have many representative groups who live here ranging from liberal progressive attitudes to more conservative orthodox religious dogmas, the latter of which i know would have a serious issue with public restrooms becoming mainstream unisex and that does not include the people who are just morally and politcally conservative.

Any business or local authority that manage restooms for public use would have to concider the cost and practicality of catering to the publics desire to relieve themselves and freshen up (the basic tenet of a WC) or too pander to social trends related to identity politics. They can have two bathrooms to manage, one male and one female and be done with it or they can have a 3rd unisex bathroom (or just a unisex bathroom) for those who feel the need to virtue signal while they pee... all while adding running costs and increasing the likelihood of headaches to the owner as they take the risk of inevitable gender conflict that this enviroment would invite.

Mainstream Unisex bathrooms... i dont think will ever happen.
 
Last edited:
The whole safety, etiquette and privacy thing is fine; but a very Western concept.

Try spending any considerable time living and traveling in India.... some people from the West may not survive that culture shock.
 
The whole safety, etiquette and privacy thing is fine; but a very Western concept.

Try spending any considerable time living and traveling in India.... some people from the West may not survive that culture shock.

I've been and done the India Toilet thing and i have the mental scars to boot. But India is a very conservative culture... No unisex bathrooms in India. They even Gender split the carriages on the Mumbai metro, I made that mistake when i visited and one women nearly beat me with her umbrella.
 
At the pool we share the showers (but in swimsuit, of course :))

Then, why not the toilet ? Although the toilets are really intimate ...

The question is difficult here.
 
I've been and done the India Toilet thing and i have the mental scars to boot. But India is a very conservative culture... No unisex bathrooms in India. They even Gender split the carriages on the Mumbai metro, I made that mistake when i visited and one women nearly beat me with her umbrella.

Slightly off-topic but ...
India has the caste system for segregating people from each other: same as racism in my book. You know your place.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/15/india-caste-system-70-anniversary-independence-day-untouchables

 
All toilets should be unisex. Waste of resources and inherently discriminatory to segregate bathroom facilities, or much of anything else for that matter.

Someone will always cross a line and someone will always complain and expect protection.

What does that have to do with segregating restrooms?

I'm not sure of an example in history of a culture that had unisex toilets and bathroom facilities as its mainstream custom, (but you are free to enlighten me). The separation of the sexes has typically been the default in this regard as far as im aware.

Pretty much any culture without some obtuse religious prohibition and even most of those outside of major urban centers.

Such segregation is more of a classist privilege than anything else; poor people can't afford toilets, or to be picky about who can use what resources, and the overwhelming bulk of humanity has historically been very poor.
 
I've been and done the India Toilet thing and i have the mental scars to boot. But India is a very conservative culture... No unisex bathrooms in India. They even Gender split the carriages on the Mumbai metro, I made that mistake when i visited and one women nearly beat me with her umbrella.
Roadside bus stops at level crossings waiting half an hour for a train to go through. The females head off into one field for "privacy" and the males... well, we just walk off to the side of the road and whip it out.

I've been to India a number of times and spent a year there once.

The Maidan (literally, open field), also referred to as the Brigade Parade Ground, is the largest urban park in Kolkata in the Indian state of West Bengal.

That maidan in Kolkata was pretty much one large and open public toilet.... gross.

Seriously; in India if you are out in public there is not much real "privacy" at all.................... ever.
 
This is the product that let's women use male urinals/stand at lavatories.

Philosophically, the trend towards simple restrooms for everybody is essentially a secular movement. It's rational since it reduces resources required for business services, lowers costs, speeds up construction time, etc. On a personal basis, I strongly favor secular values spreading and seeing traditional values fade.

Perverts are not found in unisex bathrooms, which we have in all our homes, they are found in the sources of the traditional values: the churches.



Lots of perverts are found in homes, too.
 
Lots of perverts are found in homes, too.

In absolute numbers, that is indisputable.

The vast majority of every imaginable category of person are found in homes. Homeless persons being the logical exception.
That is just background noise at best.

Surely the relative low incidence of abnormal behaviour in everybody's homes should be much higher if the ubiquitous home unisex toilet were to blame?
 
Last edited:
We ain't plumbed that different down there, and to the people making the "perverts are getting sex changes to spy on women" argument - if I wanted to perv on the ladies' room, a janitor outfit is a lot cheaper than getting surgery.
 

Yaffle

Volunteer Moderator
I'm not sure of an example in history of a culture that had unisex toilets and bathroom facilities as its mainstream custom, (but you are free to enlighten me). The separation of the sexes has typically been the default in this regard as far as im aware.

"″Prior to the modern industrial period, toilets were frequently communal and mixed. It was only in the nineteenth century, with increasingly strict prohibitions on bodily display and the emergence of a rigid ideology of gender, that visual privacy and the spatial segregation of the sexes were introduced into lavatory design, and they continue to be its dominant features" - Barbara Penner (2001): A world of unmentionable suffering: Women's public conveniences in Victorian London.
 
In absolute numbers, that is indisputable.

The vast majority of every imaginable category of person are found in homes. Homeless persons being the logical exception.
That is just background noise at best.

Surely the relative low incidence of abnormal behaviour in everybody's homes should be much higher if the ubiquitous home unisex toilet were to blame?



I'm just not aware of any evidence that suggests there are more such incidences stemming from religion than secularism, which seems to be what you were implying.

A "relative low incidence of abnormal behaviour" is sort of redundant.
I think abnormal behaviour is probably most often kept at home, as much as possible.

Eg, child sexual abuse is most often committed by a family member to my understanding.
 

Deleted member 110222

D
I don't want my granddaughter sharing a public toilet with adult males that claim they are women. If that offends you good. Your perversion offends me.

Basically this. Sorry, but it has to be said.
 
Back
Top Bottom