Universal data/Biological samples

[UA1456Y]

I Do not understand why when ship is destroyed - you loose all of the data that you have collected along the way. I spent hours exploring in deep space today, collecting system data as well as biological data from planets, I accidently press ship boost button on my joystick while in super cruise and bang - my ship gets totally wrecked, and eventually runs out of oxygen and game over. I lost over 20 million credit worth of exploration data. With advanced technology as presented in the game - there is no option of having data backed up on cloud server or perhaps on board black boxes that records every thing which can be recovered.

Can I recollect this data if I travelled through again (If I remember where I travelled) - even though I have discovered it previously?

 

[HRDiagram]

Now you are a proper explorer!

Welcome to the club!

Once I lost 800million (and I am sure it's nowhere near the best) by losing my ship to my stupidity

edit: i'd like to point out that it happened BEFORE Odyssey, so those 800 million were not exobiology!

 

[aRJay]

I Do not understand why when ship is destroyed - you loose all of the data that you have collected along the way. I spent hours exploring in deep space today, collecting system data as well as biological data from planets, I accidently press ship boost button on my joystick while in super cruise and bang - my ship gets totally wrecked, and eventually runs out of oxygen and game over. I lost over 20 million credit worth of exploration data. With advanced technology as presented in the game - there is no option of having data backed up on cloud server or perhaps on board black boxes that records every thing which can be recovered.

Can I recollect this data if I travelled through again (If I remember where I travelled) - even though I have discovered it previously?

Based on cartographic data* yes you can retrace your route, collect the data again and still get first discovery bonus providing nobody gets to sell that data before you. If that happens you will still get the base value credits for the item.


*Commanders have been doing this with Astro data for years.

 

[metatheurgist]

I Do not understand why when ship is destroyed - you loose all of the data that you have collected along the way

Because it is a vidja game and traditionally those apply some sort of risk/reward scenario. Tho, with the way things are going you will soon be able to buy a scanner that will let you sit in a station and just do deep space scans in complete safety. That will also somehow fill your mat banks with raws and data at the same time.

 

[Walter2]

Can I recollect this data if I travelled through again (If I remember where I travelled) - even though I have discovered it previously?

It's weird.

Same thing happened to brother Alvin last week. He's travelling on Economical jumps towards Sag A, 500 light years per stage before calling his FC to catch up. It's been at least a year since he's come across the foot prints of another commander. 80 jumps (of more than 200) into the latest leg he wrecked his ship, losing the exploration data and a theoretical 2bn in bio records, slid down the snake back to the FC ready to start the plotted route again to his bookmarked target. His FC has Universal Cartographics but no Vista Genomics: Alvin left before rewards for bio collection boomed.

According to ED System maps, there are no discoverers to the systems he's visiting for the second time, yet he's credited with First Footfall on the planets he has visited.
According to his electronic companion,, he has stacked up 0 credits for bio discoveries, but it still knows the samples - and their locations - he will find before the rescan is even started. (To be fair, I don't know if EDCoPilot is dynamically harvesting data from the supposedly purged logs, or using its own database. I suspect the former, with just the anticipated totals zeroed and other records ignored by ED but still accessible to third-party software.)

To be on the safe side, he's collecting all the data again, but doesn't expect to get the First Finder bonuses when he finally manages to cash in the bio data at Explorer's Anchorage or meets up with his FC again.

 

[Factabulous]

I spent hours exploring in deep space today

 

[UA1456Y]

Based on cartographic data* yes you can retrace your route, collect the data again and still get first discovery bonus providing nobody gets to sell that data before you. If that happens you will still get the base value credits for the item.


*Commanders have been doing this with Astro data for years.

Thanks - I will try this again, weirdly in codex - it still stays I have already discovered different types of stars/planets and life forms even though my ship was destroyed.

 

[UA1456Y]

It's weird.

Same thing happened to brother Alvin last week. He's travelling on Economical jumps towards Sag A, 500 light years per stage before calling his FC to catch up. It's been at least a year since he's come across the foot prints of another commander. 80 jumps (of more than 200) into the latest leg he wrecked his ship, losing the exploration data and a theoretical 2bn in bio records, slid down the snake back to the FC ready to start the plotted route again to his bookmarked target. His FC has Universal Cartographics but no Vista Genomics: Alvin left before rewards for bio collection boomed.

According to ED System maps, there are no discoverers to the systems he's visiting for the second time, yet he's credited with First Footfall on the planets he has visited.
According to his electronic companion,, he has stacked up 0 credits for bio discoveries, but it still knows the samples - and their locations - he will find before the rescan is even started. (To be fair, I don't know if EDCoPilot is dynamically harvesting data from the supposedly purged logs, or using its own database. I suspect the former, with just the anticipated totals zeroed and other records ignored by ED but still accessible to third-party software.)

To be on the safe side, he's collecting all the data again, but doesn't expect to get the First Finder bonuses when he finally manages to cash in the bio data at Explorer's Anchorage or meets up with his FC again.

Yeah it can be annoying especially when you spent hours trying to explore/obtain data and one mistake you loose it all.

 

[UA1456Y]

Because it is a vidja game and traditionally those apply some sort of risk/reward scenario. Tho, with the way things are going you will soon be able to buy a scanner that will let you sit in a station and just do deep space scans in complete safety. That will also somehow fill your mat banks with raws and data at the same time.

I do get that - however there should be some sort of backup (with technological advancement present in game) - saving onto local cloud server or black boxes recordings of some sort which can be retrieved when you respawn.

 

[Ashnak]

black boxes recordings of some sort which can be retrieved when you respawn.

Sort of. Occasionally, when in a system, you can encounter POIs which have small or large data caches in them, floating in space. You can pick them up and sell them (for comparatively little money, though) at a station.

As for the scenario how you got there - why/how? AFAIK (it's been some time since I last played, though), triggering boost while in SC only engages SCO - provided you have your ship equipped with an SCO FSD. But that doesn't wreck your ship in itself. And even if - damaging your ship and/or running out of fuel is not necessarily a big issue. You can always call the Fuel Rats (or the Hull Seals). And for internal damage, as an explorer, you naturally carry an AFMU.

Ideally, you call them when you notice that you don't have enough fuel remaining to reach the nearest fuel star. Waiting until you're on spare oxygen is cutting it a little fine - especially if you skimped on the life support and went with a D- or even E-rated life support.

Retracing your steps: sure. Install EDDiscovery. It'll scan your local logs and tell you exactly where you've been and what you found there. Although, unless you discoverd something unique like a new GGG or an unexplored system inside the Bubble, it's usually not worth the bother - there's a dozen similer things to be found out there for any single one you did find.

 

[UA1456Y]

Sort of. Occasionally, when in a system, you can encounter POIs which have small or large data caches in them, floating in space. You can pick them up and sell them (for comparatively little money, though) at a station.

As for the scenario how you got there - why/how? AFAIK (it's been some time since I last played, though), triggering boost while in SC only engages SCO - provided you have your ship equipped with an SCO FSD. But that doesn't wreck your ship in itself. And even if - damaging your ship and/or running out of fuel is not necessarily a big issue. You can always call the Fuel Rats (or the Hull Seals). And for internal damage, as an explorer, you naturally carry an AFMU.

Ideally, you call them when you notice that you don't have enough fuel remaining to reach the nearest fuel star. Waiting until you're on spare oxygen is cutting it a little fine - especially if you skimped on the life support and went with a D- or even E-rated life support.

Retracing your steps: sure. Install EDDiscovery. It'll scan your local logs and tell you exactly where you've been and what you found there. Although, unless you discoverd something unique like a new GGG or an unexplored system inside the Bubble, it's usually not worth the bother - there's a dozen similer things to be found out there for any single one you did find.

to be honest I was just scooping up fuel near a star (on my way into deeper milky way) when I went to system map to see if something was discoverable - in that hassle I accidently pressed boost button on my stick, I got a message saying "super cruise overcharge hull integrity comprised" and my speed increases to way in excess of 7000c which also consumed my fuel. Dropping out of the supercruise, my hull integrity went from 100 to only 13 percent and lost majority of my systems, I tried using the ship's inbuild repair feature to get some systems back up online which allowed me to get my FSD back online, however I was too far away from nearest star to use my fuel scoop. Eventually everything ran out as well as oxygen which depleted and then as I mentioned ship got destroyed.

How do I call fuel rats or hull seals? From what I noticed these systems were literally empty and I was the sole traveller (If I remember correctly I must have gone around 400 or so light years from bubble)

 

[varonica]

As for the scenario how you got there - why/how? AFAIK (it's been some time since I last played, though), triggering boost while in SC only engages SCO

Ah yes but if he's like me he pressed just when he shouldn't have by accident, like when you are pointed right at a planet or ring. If you crash out in SCO it does some serious damage to your ship, last time it happened to me with a ring and I had a malfunctioning FSD, took me a few tries to get back to a station to get all repaired up, but if you do it out in the black and make a habit of pressing that button at the wrong time I could see you quickly getting into trouble!

 

[Walter2]

I do get that - however there should be some sort of backup (with technological advancement present in game) - saving onto local cloud server or black boxes recordings of some sort which can be retrieved when you respawn.

No room for a thumb drive, but all those mats fit in your pocket.

 

[UA1456Y]

Ah yes but if he's like me he pressed just when he shouldn't have by accident, like when you are pointed right at a planet or ring. If you crash out in SCO it does some serious damage to your ship, last time it happened to me with a ring and I had a malfunctioning FSD, took me a few tries to get back to a station to get all repaired up, but if you do it out in the black and make a habit of pressing that button at the wrong time I could see you quickly getting into trouble!

Oh yeah - I was just minding up my own business - scooping fuel from star when while I was trying to look at my navigation panel - I pressed the boost button accidently - this caused my speed to reach way in excess of 7000c which started to consume my fuel drastically. I drop out of super cruise and my ship gets wrecked & loose a lot of systems. At this point not much fuel left to reach any nearest star - forget any settlement, I'm lightyears away from that

 

[varonica]

Oh yeah - I was just minding up my own business - scooping fuel from star when while I was trying to look at my navigation panel - I pressed the boost button accidently - this caused my speed to reach way in excess of 7000c which started to consume my fuel drastically. I drop out of super cruise and my ship gets wrecked & loose a lot of systems. At this point not much fuel left to reach any nearest star - forget any settlement, I'm lightyears away from that

Oh yeah done that by mistake as well, forgetting you are in SCO and doing something else, mind you 7000c, do we have a record for fastest SCO speed yet?

 

[aRJay]

Thanks - I will try this again, weirdly in codex - it still stays I have already discovered different types of stars/planets and life forms even though my ship was destroyed.

Codex, the magic EyeSpy book, updates immediately as does first footfall. Neither of them make sense or pay very well.

Fuel rats.

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fuelrats.com

Hull seals.

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hullseals.space

 

[UA1456Y]

Codex, the magic EyeSpy book, updates immediately as does first footfall. Neither of them make sense or pay very well.

Fuel rats.

Home

The Fuel Rats are Elite: Dangerous's premier emergency refueling service. Fueling the galaxy, one ship at a time, since 3301.

fuelrats.com

Hull seals.

The Hull Seals

Welcome to the Hull Seals, Elite Dangerous's Premier Hull Repair Specialists!

hullseals.space

clicking on fuel rats website - request fuel, I get error 502 bad gateway

 

[UA1456Y]

Well people - after the events of yesterday, I collected my hauler again - retravelled to system where I bought it from, ensured all of the necessary utilities and hardware's were installed correctly then plotted my course across the galaxy and off we go.

So far travelled 300 or so light years, discovered many systems along the way and today the big one - I arrived into a system which is a binary star system and there is a landable planet that orbits it's parent star which has got sufficient atmosphere as well as it's orbit lies within the habitable zone. Upon probing the planet with surface scanner - I found some form of biological life form on the planet. Went there to investigate, found few organic samples as well as I got message when I first put my foot down on surface "first footfall". Even though the planet was discovered by someone else, no one actually set down on it I guess, So hopefully assuming I survive my voyage - I should get the credit for that. More stuff to explore!

 

[Koma Pahu]

I find it a little frustrating that a wee mistake can cost an explorer so much, yet your earnings are safe during the far more risky pursuit of hunting thargoids. Just seems a little odd.

 

[aRJay]

I find it a little frustrating that a wee mistake can cost an explorer so much, yet your earnings are safe during the far more risky pursuit of hunting thargoids. Just seems a little odd.

It is.

I think it is something to do with how easy it is to die on foot so that nobody could earn anything if changes weren't made.

A shame really.