Unrealistic Expectations For CGs

Old Duck

Old Duck
I'm a bit baffled by the notion that every community goal should be designed to allow 100% player participation. This doesn't happen IRL on our one tiny planet, so how is this reasonable to expect in a huge collection of star systems?

Consider the following example: From what I can tell, the wedding of William and Kate was a community event of a sorts, and a big one at that. However, I suspect only the "upper echelon" of British society - a chosen few - were able to attend the ceremony itself at Westminster Abbey. This might be analogous to Ed's inclusive group during Part 1 of the E3 CG.

Afterwards I believe there was a huge parade through London open to the public. If I had taken time off of work, invested in a ticket, and flown across the ocean, I could have attended this event. Nahh, too much work and money. However, many people in proximity of the event attended and had a blast.

So what did I do? Did I moan and complain about how unfair the world is? No, I watched the event unfold via livesteam and enjoyed it from afar. I'm happy for everyone who participated in the event, and I think the event itself has added to the richness and lore of Britain. I see no reason to be sour.

I happen to live in a pretty boring "quadrant" of the world, so I tend to miss out on most "community events", unless it's some small town America shindig like happens on July 4th. I could move to where the action is, but I happen to like it here, and day-to-day life keeps me busy and happy. I keep up on the events of the world via the news, live streams, friends, etc. Once in a while I go on an exciting vacation to take part in a big community event, but I don't go chasing every single event happening all across America and the world.

Perhaps for my next vacation, I'll go to New Mexico and see if I can get abducted by an alien. If I wait for hours and no aliens grab me, I'll come to this forum and complain ;)
 
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GreyAreaUK

GreyAreaUK
aguettinger said:
Well, the lets call it 'Half a Community' goal. HCG. :rolleyes:

(Just kidding. Sucks for the guys that were sleeping. )
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They haven't missed much though. Leaving aside the FDEv Dog And Pony Show aspect (sorry FDev, you know what I mean) it was just a rather short CG with nothing special to be gained. Not even a decal.
 
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h347h

h347h
If you are going to have a live universe like Elite stuff like this is unavoidable. Like all the people in Colonia. They have their own community. This they have their own CGs. While Solonia(The 'Bubble') has it's own community and community goals.

Then the game runs in real time. So that is going to effect things. What would have been nice though was to have the CG start a day earlier though.
 

CMDR-AD

CMDR-AD
It happens often in Elite's real-time game world. Either a CMDR is there, or somewhere else. Personally, I tend to enjoy this aspect. When some event comes up that really interests me, and I'm able to get there in-game, I'll drop whatever else I'm doing and head out. Other events, I've sat at my current station. Interesting enough events going on elsewhere, but I'm not going out there. What I'm doing where my CMDR is, is more important to me.

The timezone issue... Tis true. I did not get to participate in the CG last night due to other multiplayer gaming commitments. And now it's over.

The best fix I can imagine for this, would be for Frontier to develop a CG template which runs/completes on a timer only. No tiered completion. That way, any CMDR could still be out there now contributing, right up until the timer completed.
 

Spiridon

Spiridon
OP, look at it this way: CG in Elite is an extremely... eh.. elitist thing. Only very small percentage of human population can participate :D
 

GreyAreaUK

GreyAreaUK
h347h said:
If you are going to have a live universe like Elite stuff like this is unavoidable. Like all the people in Colonia. They have their own community. This they have their own CGs. While Solonia(The 'Bubble') has it's own community and community goals.

Then the game runs in real time. So that is going to effect things. What would have been nice though was to have the CG start a day earlier though.
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I think it had to tie into to the live stream though, so they'd have had to do that a day earlier, which would have meant getting people to work Sunday, which would be expensive, and...it all starts to get weirdly complicated at that point. But yes, this could definitely be filed under "not very well thought through".
 

Old Duck

Old Duck
Sylow said:
Maybe, just maybe, this is connected to the small difference that this game is not an elusive wedding but a computer game, for which all of us are paying customers?
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Are you a paying customer? I didn't know ED had a monthly subscription fee.
 

Kaa Mchorror

Kaa Mchorror
I have a weird rotating schedule so I miss events across multiple games and it never bothers me any more. Sometimes other things are more important than pixels.
 

Gorr

Gorr
Imagine that you was on that wedding, but unable to see anything.

Having people actually participating but not being lucky enough to be interdicted even after 3-4h of jumping around... well maybe next time put 10% more effort in such event and design some triggers or better chances for people actually participating in CG.
 
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JohnRoberts

JohnRoberts
Not being able to participate in a CG in Maia, because I chose to go to Colonia: Acceptable
Not being able to participate in a CG because it conflicts with other things in my schedule: Acceptable
Not wanting to participate in a CG that involves some activity I don't like: Acceptable

Wanting to participate, being able to get there, being there are the right time, putting in hours to get hyperdicted but in never happening, and thus being excluded from participation: Not Acceptable.

(And yes, I am a paying customer. I paid for 2.1, 2.2, 2.3 & 2.4, the last of which is not yet delivered).

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h347h

h347h
Gorr said:
Imagine that you was on that wedding, but unable to see anything.

Having people actually participating but not being lucky enough to be interdicted even after 3-4h of jumping around... well maybe next time put 10% more effort in such event and design some triggers or better chances for people actually participating in CG.
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Yeah I tried last night after my family stuff was finished a d I had about 2 hours to play and nothing happened. After spending a decent amount of time working the BGS around the area for months I have yet to have an encounter.
 
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Old Duck

Old Duck
Spiridon said:
OP, look at it this way: CG in Elite is an extremely... eh.. elitist thing. Only very small percentage of human population can participate :D
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But that just seems... normal. Name one event IRL that's not limited to a small percentage of the human population*.

Now a very fair counterpoint would be that our world has hundreds of localized community events going at any given time, and I think ED would really benefit from approaching the galaxy in this way. I suspect that player factions is an attempt to allow such events to grow organically from the player base, but it could probably use a bit more structure. I've not participated in playing the BGS, so I don't know how this compares to the big "galactic" CGs.

Another fair counterpoint is that Ed said, "Everyone can participate" which is highly misleading. Frontier themselves are feeding the unrealistic expectations. However, I still stand by my OP.


* Climate change!!! I ninja'd myself, LOL.
 

number2301

number2301
JohnRoberts said:
Not being able to participate in a CG in Maia, because I chose to go to Colonia: Acceptable
Not being able to participate in a CG because it conflicts with other things in my schedule: Acceptable
Not wanting to participate in a CG that involves some activity I don't like: Acceptable

Wanting to participate, being able to get there, being there are the right time, putting in hours to get hyperdicted but in never happening, and thus being excluded from participation: Not Acceptable.

(And yes, I am a paying customer. I paid for 2.1, 2.2, 2.3 & 2.4, the last of which is not yet delivered).

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But you did participate...
 

GreyAreaUK

GreyAreaUK
JohnRoberts said:
Wanting to participate, being able to get there, being there are the right time, putting in hours to get hyperdicted but in never happening, and thus being excluded from participation: Not Acceptable.
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You've got the same chance of being hyperdicted as anyone else. We're all paying customers, but that doesn't mean the dice are going to come up double-six just because we want them to. I've also never been hyperdicted.
 
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BigFW

BigFW
But isn't this just as much like the chap ejected from the UA flight?

He was there and ready for the event (flight) but for whatever reason he was deemed to not be able to take part. :eek:

There will always be times when partaking in something is not possible due to other commitments/timing/logistics etc. Personally this is why I do not go for MMO games. When I joined I was expecting an Offline mode....
 

Surprised Brony

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I agree. I mean, they were just trying to do SOMETHING with the players for this reveal. That's neat. They're finally including players in this and people just whine about the chunk of people that couldn't help out. The CG itself wasn't the meat of this whole event, anyway. Why can't we celebrate the good part of this?
 
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