I hope they mean Tristorm and Trident is just a mistake. My heart would be bursting with joy.
Update 4 is coming on April, 22nd
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I hope they mean Tristorm and Trident is just a mistake. My heart would be bursting with joy.
If im remembering right, restaurants in PZ don't need paths. peeps entering the restaurant box will pop up at attached tables which are freely placeable.
For PC2 it should be an advanced version compared to PZ and that peeps will walk to the attached tables with the food they picked up at the kitchen counter...
And for PC2 they were talking about paths in restaurants. Hopefully it won't end up with masses walking trough restaurants because the paths are open to everyone.
They said that only peeps which are guests in a restaurant can use the attached tables...
For PC2 it should be an advanced version compared to PZ and that peeps will walk to the attached tables with the food they picked up at the kitchen counter...
And for PC2 they were talking about paths in restaurants. Hopefully it won't end up with masses walking trough restaurants because the paths are open to everyone.
They said that only peeps which are guests in a restaurant can use the attached tables...
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Realy good points...Once again a downgrade.. I will copy this to my steam thread..
+1First off, im lowkey excited for next update. Especially for restaurants. I specifically left spots in my park to build those
Now, i was kinda surprised about the reasoning behind the missing items. I do understand the reason, i just dont understand why that wasnt communicated on release of the update instead of letting us in an empty space. I think frontier could do better on this matter in the future, and lets be honest thats not the first time they reveal important information so late.
What left me kinda worried was the fact that there was no mention of a hotfix between now and next update. Are we realy gonna stay stuck with broken speakers for a whole month? And what about the 4k limit that was reintroduced in the last update?
Just so many stuff that keeps getting ignored meanwhile other stuff gets portraied as „people have been asking about this a lot“.
That said, ill probably not be posting that much anymore except for maybe on my parks thread. I see no reason behind involving myself into these discussions anymore if frontier very openly are picking their fights as they fit them. I also dont realy identify myself anymore with a bigger part of the community. No matter what cobtent creators video i comment with my issues about the game, i constantly get called a crybaby, a hater and whatnot…
Fully agree!
They way this is being managed at the moment (in reality since launch) is that they ignore what the majority of the players are concerned about and decide to comment on a select few items that are "easy". Usually those items are also being blasted out as the best things since sliced bread by the paid off streamers. None of the featured streamers are even slightly critical against the game, and they are a major part of the reason why this is not a success. Most of us, the players that are critical of the current state of the game and writing about the issues, do so because we care about the genera and we all want it to be what it should be.
It is almost a decade since the original planet coaster came out. Planet Coaster 2 does not feel like a game that is a decade more advanced than its predecessor. This version and the improvements from the predecessor is more in line with what is expected from an annual refelsh of a game series (think EA's Fifa and NHL franchises). Cities Skylines series suffers from exactly the same issue and neither developer is doing anything to really resolve the bigger picture issues and both are, with their actions post release, just dividing their communities and making the majority of their current and future customers angry. I wish Frontier could hire back the whole team that did develop Planet Coaster 1 as most of them are long gone (not hard to understand why when you see public workplace reviews on how it is to work at Frontier). If Frontier swallows their egos, come out with an actual apology and then following that up with some real improvements to the game, not just a new shiny ride or scenery piece, they will earn me back as a returning customer. But this is a huge IF.
I also agree, why spend valuable streaming time showing off blueprints when they can use that time to discuss what they are working on, address the concerns from the community. It is a strength to admit you messed up, did a mistake etc. Great people own up to their mistakes, weak leaders and people hid behind them. Admitting you were wrong is a strength, not a weakness! That's how they will earn back my trust!
At this point, any discussion about fixes/improvements etc. is of far more value than spending time showing off a blueprint. They can release the blueprint videos individually separately. They do that anyway. If there are no fixed that are worth discussing for the next update, it would worry me even more. Back to thinking they are hiding something from us to string along another month of hops, just ot be crushed afterwords. WOuldn't you think, knowing the current state of the communicty, that you would want to send most of the time addressing their concerns and proving to them that they are heard and that fixes are incoming? That would keep me, and many others, paying attention to the game between now and the release of next update.
Will there be any more streams/updates from Frontier before the release? Do we know when the release will happen (they may have mentioned it and I missed it). Any hotfixes between now and the update release? There are still plenty of game crashing bugs a lot of players are experiencing.
Update 4 is announced for the 22nd of April.
They didn't mentioned any hotfixes.
The next unlocked stream will be one day after update 4...
Actually I can't see any big steps in improving the game (playability).
For me it's waiting for the next update, have a quick look at the new features, mentioning that it's still not fun and waiting for the next update again.
That's the reason why I've only spent about 50 hours of "playing" (more checking out) this game...
I really want PC2 to be better than PC1, but I don't know when Frontier might reach this point. Or is it an "if" question?
They didn't mentioned any hotfixes.
The next unlocked stream will be one day after update 4...
Actually I can't see any big steps in improving the game (playability).
For me it's waiting for the next update, have a quick look at the new features, mentioning that it's still not fun and waiting for the next update again.
That's the reason why I've only spent about 50 hours of "playing" (more checking out) this game...
I really want PC2 to be better than PC1, but I don't know when Frontier might reach this point. Or is it an "if" question?
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You are right, but without Steam Workshop there isn't much replay-ability anyway. Management and share holders dont know a thing about gaming. They look at numbers and make decisions based on that. Hopefully they will learn from this mistake and put someone in charge who actually plays and understands and loves games.
This have already been answered in here..No plans to fix that so far they say.
Oh they actually did acknowledge it finally after 6 months? Well that's a start. Really curious why they say "no" when the first planet coaster game had. Any reason?
I don't really care about in which order they'll add new features, but everything which already is in game and has issues should be fixed, first (I have no real priorities within issue fixing).
And again quality control needs an upgrade
It was in zoo as well and reason as to why.
Please, make kerbs on paths toggleable!
Planet Coaster 1 had the ability to turn off path curbs and it was a lifesaver, yet coming into planco2, the feature is nowhere to be seen! Please add this back in a future hotfix as this is baffling how it isn't included. it makes it so much harder to do good looking seamless designs
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I'm actually a bit surprised by the reaction to this stream. The way restaurants works, showed me a small sign of the quality i was expecting from this game at launch.
The game is definitely buggy, and bug-fix patches really need to be a priority of their own—maybe released about two weeks after each update. However, the restaurants showed me that Frontier is updating old game mechanics rather than taking the easy route. They could have simply ported restaurants over from Zoo and left it at that. (I’m not defending them, just making an observation.)
The fact that they didn’t cut corners with guest teleporting, etc., bodes well for future features like hotels, gift shops, and maybe even in-game arcade machines and games stands.
This is the level of quality I was expecting at launch. It’s 2025, guests shouldn’t be teleporting to their tables or walking through objects placed on a path.
The game is definitely buggy, and bug-fix patches really need to be a priority of their own—maybe released about two weeks after each update. However, the restaurants showed me that Frontier is updating old game mechanics rather than taking the easy route. They could have simply ported restaurants over from Zoo and left it at that. (I’m not defending them, just making an observation.)
The fact that they didn’t cut corners with guest teleporting, etc., bodes well for future features like hotels, gift shops, and maybe even in-game arcade machines and games stands.
This is the level of quality I was expecting at launch. It’s 2025, guests shouldn’t be teleporting to their tables or walking through objects placed on a path.
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Uhm, they adressed issues, maybe not in the way you want it, but they did:
One of the biggest Criticism on Update 3 was: Western look bad, there is no desert, there are no red rocks.
They show off 2 Blueprints: both them in the desert, one with red rocks (colored nautical rocks (which from a geological standpoint makes even some sense)), and the western scenery really looked fine.
We have our answer of kerbs; the pathfinding while not the best, is okay in update 3; Guest AI/needs, are working on fundamental basis; with the refund and smaller guest count, there is some economic factors in it.
What answers do you really want? I think we are now at a state, while the game still flawed, can provide great playability. The things you want, you are looking for will not change soon. So maybe it is just the point for you, if you don't like the game now, you will not like it in the future.
I criticisized Frontier two months ago, that there is a lack of vision/direction for the game. Now they are on a state: yes, we are going in this direction. And it is probably up for everyone to go with them or not, but in this thread and other threads i really feel, you dont want to play the game, you want to complain and it shines a bit through in your posts, since a lot of things you say are outdated, not pointed out.
One of the biggest Criticism on Update 3 was: Western look bad, there is no desert, there are no red rocks.
They show off 2 Blueprints: both them in the desert, one with red rocks (colored nautical rocks (which from a geological standpoint makes even some sense)), and the western scenery really looked fine.
We have our answer of kerbs; the pathfinding while not the best, is okay in update 3; Guest AI/needs, are working on fundamental basis; with the refund and smaller guest count, there is some economic factors in it.
What answers do you really want? I think we are now at a state, while the game still flawed, can provide great playability. The things you want, you are looking for will not change soon. So maybe it is just the point for you, if you don't like the game now, you will not like it in the future.
I criticisized Frontier two months ago, that there is a lack of vision/direction for the game. Now they are on a state: yes, we are going in this direction. And it is probably up for everyone to go with them or not, but in this thread and other threads i really feel, you dont want to play the game, you want to complain and it shines a bit through in your posts, since a lot of things you say are outdated, not pointed out.
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It is bit confusing, but rating laws/guidance change a lot over the years, especially globally: You have Britain, Germany, US, Australia and the EU (mostly covered by german laws, since they are the strictest on violence).
A game rarely gets up- or downgraded ratingwise (at least in Germany/EU) due to changed laws, but new stuff, can affect your rating.
So yeah it makes sense to check all the stuff and this can take time as there are many diffrent regional laws with it. Worst Case is you get (temporarly) pulled from Steam. Especially if your game gets completly rechecked, this can take up a month or two. In this moment it would be best to flag your game 'not rated' but then you end up on the 'non rated' section of steam (basically the NSFW section), which you dont want and for example can't sell your game in germany.
So the better safe than sorry approach makes totally sense to me.
The reason for the reactions you see post the stream is because they didn't address at all any of the issues currently with the game. Yes, the restaurants do look interesting and good, but we also did not see it in action live at all. Most of the shots they showed were of an empty restaurant. Based on how all other game mechanics have worked out so far in PC2, I have not much hope that this will actually work as we all hope it will. If I am wrong, great!
Adding restaurant, but not fixing any of the other major issues with the game will not bring back any players post the first few hours of testing how the restaurants works.
This is one of the major issues here. A lot of GOOD features in both PC1 and PZ are completely absent in PC2. Why is there all of a sudden not an option to turn off curbs? Why wasn't the excellent fencing tool from PZ not included in PC2? Why did they go from a well working UI in both PC1 and PZ to the mess we have in PC2? Why remove functions clearly working in this version of the game engine and make the game worse and thus penalising the players trying to play the game?
I agree. I think everyone would have been happy with 2 workshops like they already had. Does PC players really badly want blueprints from a console player and vice versa? Is that such a game breaking feature to split the workshops that we instead are punishing everyone? Frontiers own workshop is a joke.
I doubt anyone at Frontier actually plays the game. You could see that clearly in the stream yesterday when the guy who controlled the screen had no clue on how to do a proper ride camera. He kept clicking the wrong buttons. Anyone talking and demonstrating any game should be an expert (especially from a marketing standpoint) and should know how to work their way around the game in their sleep. But instead, everytime you see anyone from Frontier play the game "live", it looks like then never played it at all.
