Upset about the recent Mobius infiltration? Do something about it.

Ian Skippy · Feb 21, 2016

Space Dandy said:
No your off base on this one. Griefing has absolutely nothing to do with the game having a P2P netcode or not, griefing isn't hacking.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Griefing

what has been said on the subject is being taken out of context by you in this post as I am sure they were thinking of open rather than some private group like mobius when that statement was made.

As for not breaking the rules again wrong on your part.

QFT

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4604&p=67005&viewfull=1#post67005

You're entitled to your ideas ofcourse, but I hope you don't mind me not regarding wikipedia as some kind of authority on literally anything whatsoever. I spend too many hours as it is every week 'scolding' my students for that.

As mentioned earlier FD officially stated people in condas are allowed to kill newbwinders for no reason whatsoever. You dont have to like it, you do have to accept it. As for 'thinking of open rather than some private group': private groups have zero rights whatsoever outside of the basic ideas behind Open. Its an afterthought presented to adults to have some fun on their own outside of the vision of FD. If you guys want to include 20k people without having any idea who they are then the results are what they are. And if you wonder how you can have a public PvE mode this way: you can't. If you don't like that, I am sorry to hear it, but it is what it is. Please don't shoot the messenger. As with everything in life: just because you want it doesnt mean you're entitled to it.

crushdepth · Feb 21, 2016

sleutelbos said:
You're entitled to your ideas ofcourse, but I hope you don't mind me not regarding wikipedia as some kind of authority on literally anything whatsoever. I spend too many hours as it is every week 'scolding' my students for that. As mentioned earlier FD officially stated people in condas are allowed to kill newbwinders for no reason whatsoever. You dont have to like it, you do have to accept it. As for 'thinking of open rather than some private group': private groups have zero rights whatsoever outside of the basic ideas behind Open. Its an afterthought presented to adults to have some fun on their own outside of the vision of FD. If you guys want to include 20k people without having any idea who they are then the results are what they are. And if you wonder how you can have a public PvE mode this way: you can't. If you don't like that, I am sorry to hear it, but it is what it is. Please don't shoot the messenger. As with everything in life: just because you want it doesnt mean you're entitled to it.

The "I'm entitled to be a jerk because it isn't against the rules" approach doesn't fly with me. It's comical actually. Try it next time you play tennis or whatever.

FD will take steps to reign in antisocial behaviour, and it will be largely in response to the actions of people with such attitudes.

Space Dandy · Feb 21, 2016

sleutelbos said:
You're entitled to your ideas ofcourse, but I hope you don't mind me not regarding wikipedia as some kind of authority on literally anything whatsoever. I spend too many hours as it is every week 'scolding' my students for that. As mentioned earlier FD officially stated people in condas are allowed to kill newbwinders for no reason whatsoever. You dont have to like it, you do have to accept it. As for 'thinking of open rather than some private group': private groups have zero rights whatsoever outside of the basic ideas behind Open. Its an afterthought presented to adults to have some fun on their own outside of the vision of FD. If you guys want to include 20k people without having any idea who they are then the results are what they are. And if you wonder how you can have a public PvE mode this way: you can't. If you don't like that, I am sorry to hear it, but it is what it is. Please don't shoot the messenger. As with everything in life: just because you want it doesnt mean you're entitled to it.

People in condas killing newbs in sideys in open isn't griefing, as for wikipedia it's useful for what it is and if you've been playing games online for any length of time you know your statements were dang ridiculous. Your making this a open vs groups, a pvp minded players vs pve minded players when its really a griefing/harassment issue.

Hell stating groups have zero rights is so far beyond stupid we all know with that statement you have an agenda. People in all play modes have the same right accorded by eulas/tos trying to claim otherwise...LOL

I feel for your poor students if this is the quality of your teachings.

DanaM · Feb 21, 2016

I'm at Wolfberg. Cleaning up the Nav beacon. To any Soloists/PVEers who are thinking about coming here, I say C'mon over. SDC MPCs die real easy. They mostly just try to frame shift away. Tsohoda system is great for outfitting if you need it.

Faybs · Feb 21, 2016

Some info from the Mercs of Mikunn BGS guide over at https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=193064:

Trading – During trade CG’s as of 1.3 we noticed that the station owners of the host station would lose influence as massive amounts of goods were bought by the station. Later we were able to demonstrate that buying goods from a station raises influence of the station owner (ever so slightly), and selling goods to a station hurts the owning factions influence (again slightly). We have seen this used successfully by an ally to lower influence in one war where a station only offered elite exploration missions (out of most players reach). This no longer appears to be the case, in fact we have received many differing results with recent experiments from different player groups. This may be due to experiments being completed over different versions of the game with different mechanics. Its also not high on our priority list to be honest, but recent reports suggest that in profit now boosts influence whereas loss drops it.

So it looks like the reason why selling biowaste drops influence is because it's sold at a loss.

Edit: another important bit of info from the same guide:

Capturing the Secondary Stations or Outposts: If you capture the controlling station and sit at a high level of influence you will never capture the other stations or outposts in the system. To capture the secondary stations/outposts you must lower your factions influence and equalize your influence values with your target, creatiing a conflict. Winning the subsequent war should gain you the secondary station/outpost.

That means that if we want to successfully game the BGS, we need to also make sure the faction that currently owns the other station (United Wolfberg Union Party) does not get too close in influence to SDC, otherwise we'll be helping SDC take control over the other station.

fantasmic · Feb 21, 2016

Faybs said:
Some info from the Mercs of Mikunn BGS guide over at https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=193064:

So it looks like the reason why selling biowaste drops influence is because it's sold at a loss.

Edit: another important bit of info from the same guide:

That means that if we want to successfully game the BGS, we need to also make sure the faction that currently owns the other station (United Wolfberg Union Party) does not get too close in influence to SDC, otherwise we'll be helping SDC take control over the other station.

You won't be helping them if you make sure they lose the war.

fantasmic · Feb 21, 2016

Rinzler o7o7o7 said:
The SDC stance against PvE is so strong that if any of us are allied with our home faction, we get kicked from the group.

Most of us don't even know we have a station

Good. You won't mind losing it then.

You have a corvette now, don't you? With such a hard line against playing the environment and no lucrative form of PvP to speak of (certainly none that earns faction rank) I have to wonder how that isn't equal grounds for getting kicked. It certainly wouldn't be the first group that kicked you, would it? In short, I think you're full of crap, as usual, Tron wannabe.

mossfoot · Feb 21, 2016

fantasmic said:
Good. You won't mind losing it then.

You have a corvette now, don't you? With such a hard line against playing the environment and no lucrative form of PvP to speak of (certainly none that earns faction rank) I have to wonder how that isn't equal grounds for getting kicked. It certainly wouldn't be the first group that kicked you, would it? In short, I think you're full of crap, as usual, Tron wannabe.

Indeed. Methinks SDC protests too much. And if not, who cares?

Sole Hunter · Feb 21, 2016

Lemonhoko said:
I totally agree...I keep finding myself gigling thinking this small group called the SDC thought they could pick on the largest player group in the game ....20,000 players...and think not one of them would come up with a solution for this...within the game rules..of course.

Nahhh, I'm talking about those who are making a big deal out of this. It's ridiculous and then you have the forum users who think it they can make it against the rules because someone got "accepted" in a private group and shot a poor little pilot... oh noes! what a tragedy....

Just kick them and move on there is no point in doing witch hunting on the forums, hell this topic should have been closed after 2 pages.

Cosmos said:
I just accept what the game and players throw at me, players being far more dynamic and interesting that the present PvE game imo. But you know most of the time bar being around a CG I never really get interdicted by players.. Its really why I dont get the whole thing, and by making a big issue of it, like Mobius has done, I just think it draws resentment and attracts the activity that SDC has done of late..

A little bit of history and perspective at the same time.

100% agree. I don't see the reason why this thread is still going, someone joined a private group and killed a bunch of players ! alright so what ?

Princess Nia · Feb 21, 2016

Jockey79 said:
Sorry, but I think they do care)

no... no... it's literally there as a joke, pleae stop loking for an excuse to think that we care, we honestly dont care, it serves no purpose, it has extremely outfitting and offers literally nothing of value, there's no use to be there

Sole Hunter · Feb 21, 2016

Ziljan said:
What's funny (sad?) is that these 20,000 players are "fighting" back against maybe a dozen players by "grouping" in solo mode. It's like that picture of the elephant jumping onto a chair and squeeling because they saw a mouse.

The mobius group activity is nowhere near 20k players, it's no more than a few hundred active players on a daily basis.

Space Dandy · Feb 21, 2016

Sole Hunter said:
The mobius group activity is nowhere near 20k players, it's no more than a few hundred active players on a daily basis.

Pretty sure there was an issue with Mobius due to it being so large and reaching a group hardcap and FD had to look into that and said something like there was 17k active players or so. Might have been in the open pve thread can't recall off the bat tbh.

EddyRockSteady · Feb 21, 2016

Princess Nia said:
no... no... it's literally there as a joke, pleae stop loking for an excuse to think that we care, we honestly dont care, it serves no purpose, it has extremely outfitting and offers literally nothing of value, there's no use to be there

Oooohhhh..........managed to cage a pup.

Good.

Now, while you're here, explain will you how you all make money if you're not allowed to PvE?

Long range smuggling? Trading? Mining?

I thought that's all PvE.

Or are you sponsored? Or did you handwavium yourselves a Billion doubloons?

Pray tell.

Lol, your crew is so full of donkey-doodle that it actually reflects pretty poorly on FD and Elite as a whole and that's worse than anything you can ever do within the game. That's the real pity here........

fantasmic · Feb 21, 2016

Princess Nia said:
no... no... it's literally there as a joke ... it serves no purpose, it has extremely [crappy] outfitting and offers literally nothing of value, there's no use to be there

Funny. The same could be said of SDC...

Lianachan · Feb 21, 2016

crushdepth said:
The "I'm entitled to be a jerk because it isn't against the rules" approach doesn't fly with me. It's comical actually. Try it next time you play tennis or whatever.

Definitely agree with this.

crushdepth said:
FD will take steps to reign in antisocial behaviour, and it will be largely in response to the actions of people with such attitudes.

I hope they do take steps, but based on their response so far I'll believe it when I see it.

Commander Debic · Feb 21, 2016

Cosmos said:
BTW.. can someone tell me how many players in the sacrosanct mobius group actually had their ships destroyed by SDC? I'm curious how many? Or is it too an embarrassingly low number to say?

Careful dear your Mobius hate slip is showing again.

Sole Hunter · Feb 21, 2016

Lianachan said:
Definitely agree with this.

I hope they do take steps, but based on their response so far I'll believe it when I see it.

#1 They won't BECAUSE all they did was killing CMDRS. I'm quite sure frontier stance on this subject was already posted in a previous thread.
#2 As far as I know there is nothing in the TOS that says you can't kill other CMDRS in a private group.
#3 Being butt hurt at someone over a legitimate game mechanic isn't a valid argument to start witch hunting on the forums.

Commander Debic · Feb 21, 2016

Jockey79 said:
They don't need it to last forever, only until Star Citizen comes out.

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erm, ok - maybe a bad example

Lol yeah, good luck with that one.

EddyRockSteady · Feb 21, 2016

Sole Hunter said:
#2 As far as I know there is nothing in the TOS that says you can't kill other CMDRS in a private group.

Have a look at Clause 7 of the EULA (specifically 7.3 IIRC).

Lianachan · Feb 21, 2016

Sole Hunter said:
#1 They won't BECAUSE all they did was killing CMDRS. I'm quite sure frontier stance on this subject was already posted in a previous thread.
#2 As far as I know there is nothing in the TOS that says you can't kill other CMDRS in a private group.
#3 Being butt hurt at someone over a legitimate game mechanic isn't a valid argument to start witch hunting on the forums.

Err..... Your first and second statements are agreeing with my second point, and your pretty insulting third statement suggests you didn't read my first one. Ah well.