They forgot Elite. 
But very interesting, otherwise.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY3hYeqWfsM
But very interesting, otherwise.
Video games' map size comparison
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Amazing game that blew me away as a kid. I really enjoy mapping out the worlds and exploring in Minecraft. Procedurally generated worlds have always fascinated me and that definitely started with Daggerfall for me (Not sure if games like Original Civilization count).
The first two weeks I had Daggerfall I didn't know how to use the fast travel feature...trying to walk everywhere certainly gave me a sense of scale. Arena was even bigger, thought he terrain was more bland and it was even more cookie-cutter.
Anyway, I've always preferred more 1:1 scale games than the super condensed stuff we got later. Morrowind was so damn good I could overlook the scale issues, but it was a serious ding to my enjoyment of many games.
Anyway, I've always preferred more 1:1 scale games than the super condensed stuff we got later. Morrowind was so damn good I could overlook the scale issues, but it was a serious ding to my enjoyment of many games.
Feel the same yeah. I love 1:1 scale with fast-travel options as-needed, and a world clock that gets you to feel how big that world is when you do use fast-travel. Bonus points when game world events are related to that clock (in a different genre, FE2 and FFE were brilliant in that regards). Towns in Arena/Daggerfall seriously feel like towns. Balmora in Morrowind, Mournhold even more, Cyrodiil in Oblivion or Whiterun in Skyrim have really lost something in translation. It also just feels wrong to be able to run that quick from city to city. That said, I'm like you: the letdown of Morrowind's scale was compensated by the well-thought design around it. The blocking landscape and world-friendly fast travel options made it feel bigger than it was while never making travel feel too tedious once you got around it.
Daggerfall was the first open world RPG I've played (Tried Arena many years later when it was already vintage, and didn't really get into it, unfortunately)
But Daggerfall was actually the game where I realized open world RPGs are my jam and always will be and also that the games are more than just a waste of time for kids. Before, I've played games, of course. As a kid and then teenager. Then I kind of stopped around high school, uni, and my first employments but gradually started again and realized that as a relaxation I very much prefer this medium to books and cinema flicks, then it became a real hobby.
I really love Dara O'Brien's (also an avid gamer) quote: "Video games do something that no other medium does. You can't be bad at reading a book. You can't be bad at watching a movie. But you can be bad at playing a video game, and it will punish you for it and deny you access to the rest of the video game."
I think that's the essense of gaming - involvement, overcoming adversisties and applying acquired skills, simply using the brain for more than just processing words and images.
But Daggerfall was actually the game where I realized open world RPGs are my jam and always will be and also that the games are more than just a waste of time for kids. Before, I've played games, of course. As a kid and then teenager. Then I kind of stopped around high school, uni, and my first employments but gradually started again and realized that as a relaxation I very much prefer this medium to books and cinema flicks, then it became a real hobby.
I really love Dara O'Brien's (also an avid gamer) quote: "Video games do something that no other medium does. You can't be bad at reading a book. You can't be bad at watching a movie. But you can be bad at playing a video game, and it will punish you for it and deny you access to the rest of the video game."
I think that's the essense of gaming - involvement, overcoming adversisties and applying acquired skills, simply using the brain for more than just processing words and images.
Dara O'Brien sounds like he doesn't realize how dumb people are, which is kinda surprising for a comedian.
Have you seen his gigs? He very much expects (relies upon, even) a certain level of intelligence in his audience. Maybe it's optimistic, but stupid people don't really go to see his shows, because there's nothing there for them to see.
I have not.
Then he should definitely realize that he caters to an elite niche and there is a whole world of people out there with Ralph Wiggum or Charlie Kelly levels of reading comprehension and just as many who will never catch the finer plot points in films more cerebral than Transformers.
Hahah. He seems to be doing fine. Maybe things aren't as bad as we tend to think they are. He certainly has his audience. And of course he doesn't do gaming stuff, nor just a witty comedy. His humour is pretty grounded and he likes to think about ordinary things.
Well, they have special films and books made just for them. More and more, these days, I'd say.
Yes, that's pretty much his point. Though yes, you could be dyslexic for example, which would probably count as being bad at reading.I think his point is you can't be so bad at watching a film that the film itself judges you and won't let you see the end, I guess you could be that bad at reading though
The thing I miss most about daggerfall is getting properly lost in a huge dungeon, in skyrim you tend to just work your way though a smallish linear dungeon. it daggerfall you could go down a hole in the ground and get stuck for days
That, and most dungeons in Skyrim have a convenient exit right at the end, which is also dumb.
Size doesn't matter.
That's what Mrs. Barron has been assuring me for over two decades now, anyway.
That's what Mrs. Barron has been assuring me for over two decades now, anyway.
Clearly never heard, saw, or read anything coming out of a critic.
Critics don't count. They have to write what the agenda of their media tells them to write.
The closest Ive ever come to that is Minecraft, self imposed rule of no digging up and out. I hear its super creepy in vr. But damn, those Daggerfall dungeons! Trying to figure out those 3d maps once the dungeon was huge was impossible for me, especially since they'd lag and usually crash my computer.
I even found a completely flood cave system in MC last week like you'd find in Daggerfall. Made me lol.
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