Your perceived knowledge about this community and it's contributors, just took a massive nose dive. Perhaps you should look him up.
The Obsidian Orbital station exists in the game for a reason, and he even voices all the stations comms.
[Video] Open letter from community to Elite Dangerous
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Your perceived knowledge about this community and it's contributors, just took a massive nose dive. Perhaps you should look him up.
The Obsidian Orbital station exists in the game for a reason, and he even voices all the stations comms.
While true, there's also a big difference. Not only there's now an uproar for lack of communication and buggy updates, but the community doesn't even have any specific hope for the future to fall back to (as it did during the Engineering time, for example). Whatever happens, we're now heading towards a year (I mean after the Fleet Carriers, which we hope will be at least less buggy than the September update) of no new updates. These months of darkness -- without even knowing what we are waiting for -- have already pushed a lot of people away.
They don't have to communicate all the time, more time for bug fixing. They also don't have a problem with delaying a game for 6 months.
Apart from taking frequent digs at us (forum people), he is pretty rational.
Maybe having an issue with critics balances out the fact that hes far from a white knight himself. Its not necessary. Yamicks is extreme in comparison.
You would think that after 4 years, they would have improved their systems and not maintained the status quo.
Agreed, but if contributors like him with 165,000+ subscribers and all the other major community contributors that put their name on the letter as voicing concerns - because they care about the game - people should take notice. These are not just random Reddit whiners, like people are portraying - is all I'm saying.
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Defend myself t how you want to Rockstar shows a lot more integrity then frontier. I've sent Rockstar a bug report, they responded that day. The issue was fixed, THAT DAY. NOT 6 MONTHS LATER NOT 2 YEARS LATER.
and you are correct they don't need to communicate they just need to get up off their butts and actually fix something instead of creating more problems with fake updates. 'oh hey look guys you can buy frontier points now, oh wait, I mean we changed it to arx and we changed how the screens set up while you buy them'. there's no update there. they change how some screens look and it broke the game.
Major fail
It doesn't matter what our opinion of content creators might be. People watching his videos probably share his opinion. 165,000+ viewers , that's a lot of people's names on a petition if he asks nicely, which I feel is the only way he would ask.
BTW I love obsidian ant videos. Easily one of my favorite youtubers. I wish they'd offer him the official elite dangerous live stream host/pilot. Be a huge step up from the usual live stream cast.
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How about the pilot? That guy makes the best ship videos and I have us off topic again
Look, the point isn't "OA has signed it, it must be good".
The point is: "lots of prominent players from all sides of the game and over 2000 others (so far) have signed a petition that doesn't say anything rude or false."
You like the game, the updates, and the communication as it is? Good then, play.
But making fun of the petition or who signed it will not change the reality of the fact that extremely satisfied customers like yourselves are the minority.
Greetings,
I saw the video, read the document and the response by Zack.
Frontier is a public company, and Zack, in case you read that here, can I ask you whether your response would have been phrased the way you did if the trigger information would have come from shareholders and not endusers?
I am only mentioning the following to point out that I know both sides of the table. That being said, I have my share of decades experience with international sales in the software Industry, exclusive SW distribution for entire EMEA and more.
It is my experience that there are a few "deadly sins" to avoid at all cost, literally. One of them certainly is belittling & ignoring considerate complaints & suggestions of end users. It is a mid term poison, it does not work like a bullet, but is equally destructive.
I am sure Frontier knows that at specific points in a business life cycle, it is good practise to hire external skills for the purpose of consulting in specific areas. Respectfully, it would seem to me that this point in time has come for Frontier to avoid potentially costly pitfalls.
As for the trigger and information presented, you might not like to hear that, and I can only hope you get my drift, but I certainly would have suggested a less combative phrasing!
When the first point reads like this "Lack of communication across the board which includes: direction of the game, future roadmap, bug fixes and more.", it sounds to my ears, which are not native english as you might have guessed already, like a smack in the face with your inherited and trusted "wakey wakey eggs & bakey" A graded G5 cast iron pan.
Hence, and in that context only, I can understand Zack's somewhat unfortunate response, defending the teams involved et al.
All in all, looking forward, I can see plenty of good things that can come out of this for both sides of the table.
o7
MaxG10
I saw the video, read the document and the response by Zack.
Frontier is a public company, and Zack, in case you read that here, can I ask you whether your response would have been phrased the way you did if the trigger information would have come from shareholders and not endusers?
I am only mentioning the following to point out that I know both sides of the table. That being said, I have my share of decades experience with international sales in the software Industry, exclusive SW distribution for entire EMEA and more.
It is my experience that there are a few "deadly sins" to avoid at all cost, literally. One of them certainly is belittling & ignoring considerate complaints & suggestions of end users. It is a mid term poison, it does not work like a bullet, but is equally destructive.
I am sure Frontier knows that at specific points in a business life cycle, it is good practise to hire external skills for the purpose of consulting in specific areas. Respectfully, it would seem to me that this point in time has come for Frontier to avoid potentially costly pitfalls.
As for the trigger and information presented, you might not like to hear that, and I can only hope you get my drift, but I certainly would have suggested a less combative phrasing!
When the first point reads like this "Lack of communication across the board which includes: direction of the game, future roadmap, bug fixes and more.", it sounds to my ears, which are not native english as you might have guessed already, like a smack in the face with your inherited and trusted "wakey wakey eggs & bakey" A graded G5 cast iron pan.
Hence, and in that context only, I can understand Zack's somewhat unfortunate response, defending the teams involved et al.
All in all, looking forward, I can see plenty of good things that can come out of this for both sides of the table.
o7
MaxG10
I'm repeating myself I know, but Rockstar doesn't make games in stages that go live every few months. They've enough money to develop their games behind closed doors (without all of this drama) for 6 years or more, then release it.
Imagine playing GTA as they were making the game. In fact don't bother, because for large parts of its development it existed in an unplayable state.
He means Obstipated Aunt...
I'm not sure if you've not seen frontiers financial report which they chose to make public, but they can more than afford to do exactly that. Regardless and I'm sure I've said this before. I only compare these two companies because they are both genre defining pioneers of the game play they specialize in.
the only difference I see is one company rolls out regular updates all the time, regular bug fixes ,regular patches and regular content updates. And the other one has a broken game but has installed a new way for us to spend more money on their broken game.
I'm sure the public voice of the forum has proven this fact quite clearly
I doubt that Rockstar rolled out an update immediately because you sent them a mail.
Not an update for the whole game. They fixed my personal issue that wasn't creating a huge PR mess for them. I know it's unbelievable from an fdev standpoint but some games don't have absentee developers
One's imagination is incorrect. But it's nice to know you're on my nuts lol how bout a little room though
What was FDev revenue last year?
What was Rockstar's?
Poor comparisons and fallacious arguments help no one.
What was Rockstar's?
Poor comparisons and fallacious arguments help no one.
Rockstar has more than 2000 employees and they are part of Take Two with $2,668.394 million revnue.
Sounds more like you contacted support and they fixed something on your account. You can have that very same experience with Frontier. They usually respond within 24 hours (currently it's a bit longer).
I don't know what to tell you it's my two favorite game developers and they both are the best in what they do. I can't think of another company that fits comparatively because most other game developers are just copycats it isn't really hard to get a formula that was already successful to work in a different game