I'll have to disagree with that one, sold my Cobra and went back to a viper with a lakon 6 on the side for trading. Viper just feels more combat capable then a cobra in my opinion.
Viper anyone?
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I'll have to disagree with that one, sold my Cobra and went back to a viper with a lakon 6 on the side for trading. Viper just feels more combat capable then a cobra in my opinion.
Eagles rule the sky !! I'll stick with mine until I can get an ASP 
As for the Viper, let me quote one of the engineers on the MD F4 Phantom design team: "Even a brick can fly with enough thrust".
And just like the F4, the Viper needs a boatload of upgrades to be even passable as a fighter.
As for the Viper, let me quote one of the engineers on the MD F4 Phantom design team: "Even a brick can fly with enough thrust".
And just like the F4, the Viper needs a boatload of upgrades to be even passable as a fighter.
it's just a feeling nothing more, with the same credit spent on both the Cobra is better
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Anything the Viper can do, the Cobra can probably do it but with ever so slightly less effectiveness.
The can't be same for the flipside. Saw $160k+ haulage mission? Viper can't do it. Saw some rare commodities? Nope, Viper can't do it. Need to mine some rocks for a mission? Nope, Viper can't do it.
Until they implement some sort of transport system that will bring your stored ships to your current system, you're gonna be humstrung by staying in a reasonable distance from any specialised ships.
Sure it can fight but so can the Cobra.. even if it's ever so slightly less effective (if at that).
The can't be same for the flipside. Saw $160k+ haulage mission? Viper can't do it. Saw some rare commodities? Nope, Viper can't do it. Need to mine some rocks for a mission? Nope, Viper can't do it.
Until they implement some sort of transport system that will bring your stored ships to your current system, you're gonna be humstrung by staying in a reasonable distance from any specialised ships.
Sure it can fight but so can the Cobra.. even if it's ever so slightly less effective (if at that).
I think, the most effective progression in the game is Sidewinder (do not upgrade too far) ----> Hauler (buy more cargo space and a decent jump drive -----> Cobra (fully upgrade it).
I stop right there and save up a lot more money to buy a Type 6 or 7, while the Cobra is parked somewhere. Do not buy any bigger ships, because there aren't any good missions that could support the maintenance and fuel costs (and upgrades) , unless someone wants to grind with trading forever just to hold up with an Anaconda or a Python.
Stupid question as I've flown a cobra for a really long time, but how much beyond 400 m/s boost speed does a speed fitted one go?
(mine was a mediocre workhorse)
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1 Cobra = 1 Viper + half a type 6
I haven't flown a Viper since beta and in was pretty underwhelmed with it, that said I don't think I gave it enough time or put enough into it for upgrades. All the talk about fuel costs amazes me, anything above a hauler and fuel costs should be capped at the price of a decent scoop. The main comparison here is against a Cobra, my feeling was they both had their pros and cons but anyone thinking they can hop in a Cobby and rule the skies is going it get it handed to them pretty quickly. I will be buying a Cobra hull tomorrow but I doubt I will be flying it before Christmas, I will need the time to make the cash to upgrade it to a level where it will hold its own and have enough to cover a few insurance bills. I will be doing that in my Freagle which with a few inexpensive upgrades is a cash making machine, love the little thing to bits.
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No he can't. The Cobra and the Viper are matched ships in dogfighting terms, they are equally manuverable and speedy. But the cobra has more internal space = bigger shield gen and more shield cells, battle won.
The Cobra has a good 30m/s of boost speed on the Viper and pitches 40% faster at half throttle (this decreases to about 10% faster at the ends of the throttle range, however). The Viper has noticeably better acceleration, better lateral/vertical and reverse thrust, better weapon convergence, and much smaller profile. These factor may roughly even out, but they are not necessarily equivalent. Certain situations and tactics can heavily favor one ship over the other.
If you think loading down your ship with shield cells is going to help your acceleration or somehow prevent the escape of a foe, you're almost as silly as one who thinks every fight must degenerate into a circling slug fest where all that matters is relative damage potential vs the damage the ship can sustain. Also, shield gens being equal, the Viper actually has stronger shields, and a Cobra with an A4 shield gen is not dramatically more well protected than a Viper with an A3.
It's very hard for either a Cobra or a Viper to corner the other. The Cobra has an edge here, because of it's higher mass and boost speed, but if the Viper pilot doesn't want to stick around it's very difficult to keep one from slipping out of range long enough to spool up the FSD.
I will say that I have prevailed more often than not when I was in a Viper and fighting equally skilled CMDRs in Cobra. Of course, I don't fight for the sake of fighting, and I stack the odds in my favor as much as possible before committing to any engagement.
Damn, you called out my shield gambit. Point is, for a specialized combat vessel the Viper should have a decent edge on the Cobra. Not so much that a good player in the Cobra can't beat a okay player in the viper, but enough that with even pilots the odds will be stacked against the Cobra.
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i agree the cobra does seem a bit OP compared to the Viper. But i think its the Viper that needs the buff as well. In beta the viper could hit 500 boost and now its nerfed to 400 ish even with A3 thrusters. It should be 400 as default and upto 500 upgraded. Also, i dont know how the cobra gets better turn radius at half throttle. The viper should be way faster turning circle as its supposed to be the smaller more manuvaruable ship. I say buff the vipers top speed and turning circle should be equal or better than cobra at half throttle. Currently the cobra is Op to the viper in my opinion.