Waiting is not fun and needs to go
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and then you are just hiding and waiting, so that would be even worse.
I would be happy with that, tbh, as long as there are animations to go with it. I'd love to watch my ship getting loaded-up/refueled. Something like 30s to 'get set' then 10s per ton of cargo or something..... Now we have Odyssey, you can do stuff while you wait for your ship to get filled with cargo (Hey, barkeep - drink please! (If only....)). Waiting (longer) for the cargo to be transferred would be part of owning a larger ship!
Not days, but minutes (comparable to Ship delivery times), again, as long as there was an animation to go with it.
Okay, yeah, I've just been thinking about what could be reduced instead of the download time... Reduce the d/l time to a few seconds (by 3307 we are up to 20TB/s, right?) but add in a 'connecting' element - a hacking minigame could be used to speed this up, or even gain access to 'hidden' files!
As long as I had other stuff to do whilst it was happening I'd be all for that (although maybe tweak the numbers a bit).
If your local wireless network from your router is crappy, then you can connect with a cable to the router and usually get a much better speed. We should be able to do that too, with the compromise of not moving more than 2 meters from the dataport in-game.
2) Technically we have a slight delay already when we replace Hardpoints. And even that annoys me on larger Ships. Not to mention that Outfitting is overall slower in Odyssey. But just imagine you would need to give your Ship to an Engineer and wait a few days for each upgrade...no thanks.
3) Yeah, Hidden files would be another interesting idea.
Thats what i meant with the Cyberpunk example. Jack in, play a little minigame, get a better reward, but risk getting caught. There are so many ways to do it better than it is now...hacking really isnt a new feature in games, there are so many to take inspiration from.
Travel times in-system I don't mind THAT much because it's only a thing in SOME systems, whereas most of the time you can reach your destination in maybe a minute or less. Travel times are not universally long. And with mining, often times a lot of time is spent actively searching, and for deep core mining you spend a lot of time actively lining up your charges; the time spent gathering the mats with limpets requires less active involvement but it frankly feels rewarding because of the effort it took to find and crack the rock.
With Odyssey...many of these actions universally take forever. Every single power regulator will take the same amount of time to be ejected, every sample housing takes forever to extract, every NPC assassination target usually takes the same amount of time to kill because patrol routes are basically baked into every settlement layout, of which there are relatively few. And the payoffs never feel worth it because there's little active involvement in them. Just waiting for a progress bar.
With Odyssey...many of these actions universally take forever. Every single power regulator will take the same amount of time to be ejected, every sample housing takes forever to extract, every NPC assassination target usually takes the same amount of time to kill because patrol routes are basically baked into every settlement layout, of which there are relatively few. And the payoffs never feel worth it because there's little active involvement in them. Just waiting for a progress bar.
Huh?
Im really not sure what you are talking about. Do you mean my Eve and X example? It works in those Games because they are overall not very "active". Eve is a Spreadsheet Simulator. You have your Tables that you can interact with, and things happen that you can sometimes even see.
X, atleast X² and X³ were not that different. After a certain point you played the game from a map-view, only giving commands to your ships to do things. Build your factories, manage you trading fleets, set up defence in systems...atleast i rarely left my primary system after i reached that point.
Im not asking to REMOVE features. Im asking to ADD features. Waiting is NOT a feature, it is the lack of one.
Also, yeah, please do. Please go to Warframe and ask them to remove Bulletjump. Personally for me this feature was the downfall of the game as it removed any form of tactical combat and reduced map-design to just a bouncy-castle where no one sees the details anymore.
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I'm not asking to REMOVE features, I'm asking to ADD features. Twitch reaction is NOT a feature, it is mere mechanical reaction.
I'd WOULD go to other game forums and advocate change there. If we didnt have 10,000 games at hand for a pittance. As it is, WE are the woefully underserved demographic and converting the few titles we manage to wrangle is just spite, at this point (or ignorance obv).
And recall that your preference for a mixture of action and instant gratification, and delayed gratification and slower methodical build-up is just that, a preference, as purely subjective as believing yellow and blue go together, or whatever current fashion dictates.
I have never said anything about Twitch-Reaction. In fact, i said that there should not be the same mistake as there was with the Bioscanner. That Minigame was simply bad and not fun at all.
And no, i dont want instant gratification. But things like this:
Where you can boot up another Game and finish a whole Mission...thats simply bad design. This is not Gameplay, this is not a feature, and it is not even subjective. Most of that Data is not even particularly valuable. Forcing players to wait for no apparent reason is a big no-go in Gaming.
And if you dont want a minigame, thats fine, there are so many other way to fix this problem. Here is one that wasnt named yet: Access Level.
Hacking a Port with Access 0 only gives you access to the slowest speed and the lowest of Data.
Access 1 gives you a bit more Speed.
Access 2 gives you even more speed and increased Data amount
Access 3 gives you the high-speed connection and one guaranteed rare file.
People say no mini games. Which is OK. I'd still prefer downloading data worked similarly to cyberpunk through. If you're skilled, it's faster.
No need for that here I guess. But dismissing it out of hand is the sort of thing that leads to point and click game play.
The cutter is a fantastic example of a mini game done right. Fdev could have just made that a hold fire event too. It would have been much easier for them.
No need for that here I guess. But dismissing it out of hand is the sort of thing that leads to point and click game play.
The cutter is a fantastic example of a mini game done right. Fdev could have just made that a hold fire event too. It would have been much easier for them.
exactly, and im really glad that some of us in this forum make suggestions to improve, and not just "i dont like it, goodbye".
as you said, the cutter is a minigame done right. yes it is a bit tedious after a while, but its still not bad. you get better and faster after a while.
i just wish there would be a rank for the maverick that you get for cutting, hacking and selling assets or so...
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I dunno, I don't see it as a minigame - it's not something you can fail at. I'm not saying I don't like it, but they could have done a bit more than 'cut open a lunchbox'...
There's not much they could change to the actual cutting, but something after you open it - something that means you can fail to get the loot (a 'lockdown' if you pull the wrong component out in the wrong order or something) - would improve it, i think.
Some of what you describe as 'waiting' are simply dynamics.
If everything was go-go-go - like most new games and media in general - with about 3 seconds at most of 'rest', then there'd be a lack of dynamics. Constant loudness is just as boring as constant silence.
Waiting to download things or scannings often can reduce monotony as fast move-click-move-click, or worse scanning things with one click while moving I'd argue are more tedious because games aren't in fact all exercises in pure efficiency and end-goal objectives. There is an important element to games called atmosphere or world building, and a crucial way of doing that is forcing the player to actully stop now and again to take a breath and take in the environment.
Now that's not true in something like Counterstrike or Fortnite. What irks me is how everyone seemingly thinks this kind of purely 'game' approach should extend to every genre.
Fdev is simply not good at creating mini games. In all these years they only came up with shooting stuff (all scanners are shooting stuff if you think about it).. even the dss feels like bombing a planet.
And when they find a loop they make it such that you need to do it hundreds of time to achieve a goal.
The cutter is another "shoot at things" stuff. If you look carefully in ED the only thing you do is shooting at stuff. Even in exploration you shoot rocks with a scanner to get a codex voucher.
Waiting 300seconds doing nothing whatsoever is not gameplay. This is the kind of stuff we have in EDO. My max was 200+s, but someone had 300s. Doing nothing because you need to stay very close the data port.
I don't care if they remove it or replace it, but I'd like it gone.
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220secs wait time.
Thought I'd drop by here to pass the time.
SMH.
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Thought I'd drop by here to pass the time.
SMH.
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