Horizons Wanted: A bigger Diamondback.

[Gaffa]

G'day all,
I have become quite a fan of the Diamondback ships, and have both the Scout (suitably equipped to hunt bounties) and the Explorer to go to and land on planets. But the Explorer is not big enough to have both mining equipment with suitable cargo bins and have a vehicle hanger as well.

It would be great if there was another Diamondback large enough to allow one to go Mining in the rings, carry out exploration, and also land and explore the the planets.

I don't believe the Explorer can be outfitted to both tasks, I may be wrong, so if anyone has worked out a configuration, I would be most interested to see it posted here.

I am sure there are many other Commanders who like the ugly ducklings; Diamondback Scout and Explorer and would like to see a bigger version.

To whom do I submit a request to, or find out from if a bigger Diamondback is in the future plans of E.D?

Yours Aye
Commander D38

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

G'day all,
I have become quite a fan of the Diamondback ships, and have both the Scout (suitably equipped to hunt bounties) and the Explorer to go to and land on planets. But the Explorer is not big enough to have both mining equipment with suitable cargo bins and have a vehicle hanger as well.

It would be great if there was another Diamondback large enough to allow one to go Mining in the rings, carry out exploration, and also land and explore the the planets.

I don't believe the Explorer can be outfitted to both tasks, I may be wrong, so if anyone has worked out a configuration, I would be most interested to see it posted here.

I am sure there are many other Commanders who like the ugly ducklings; Diamondback Scout and Explorer and would like to see a bigger version.

To whom do I submit a request to, or find out from if a bigger Diamondback is in the future plans of E.D?

Yours Aye
Commander D38

I doubt they will add it as it will start treading on the toes of the Asp Explorer which can do those things. I myself would prefer the Diamondback explorer exchange a size 2 internal slot to 2 size 1 internal slots just to make it a viable deep space exploration vessel. At the moment we only really have 2, which are the Asp and the Conda.

 

[StiTch]

Right now I couldn't agree more. I have a real love of the DBE, and have been putting together an exploring build for it; with just one more internal slot it would be far more viable.

The DBE has excellent heat management and feels more nippy than the Asp by a long shot, but while I hear ya Max Factor about it treading on the Asp's toes, the rule atm seems to be ships don't get changed unless there's a drastic need for it.

You could give it an extra small internal slot and bump up a 4 to a 5 for a better fuel scoop, and it still wouldn't tread on the Asp's internals, and it would still have a lower jump range. The asp is just a better exploring ship other than the DBE's excellent heat management and it's a pain, because given it is a dedicated exploring ship, something Elite always felt it did right was NOT having one ship better than another in its area on all grounds.

One thing though - they've mentioned soon that there may be a need for better self defence out of the bubble, and that's where the DBE shines. To me it's the superior combat ship; the hardpoints can be quite effective and in terms of agility it feels much more nimble despite the lower agility rating. The asp has this horrible issue for manoeuvring whereby if it's going more at more than a crawl in one direction it takes half an hour to make it change direction. With FA Off, my DBE boost turns faster than my imperial courier. How does that even happen?

But as it stands, no...you won't get even a decent specialised mining rig out of this ship. Of the internal slots it hs, they're not even big, and you would have far too small a cargo capacity.

 

[HereticPilot101]

http://coriolis.io/outfit/diamondba...2--031vv62i2f.Iw1-kA==.IwBj4yKA?bn=Multi-task

It's absolutely possible to have those characteristics you specified. As long as you stay far, far away from hazardous resource extraction sites. Then again, if you have an exploration vessel, you probably don't plan to be going to those anyway. Note: Due to the lack of shields, the thrusters are A for high-g planets. It'll require some remarkable finesse not to damage this thing upon landing, especially bad since you really don't have room for an AFM unit. Also, if you're feeling really gutsy, you could remove the chaff launcher and have a bit of extra range, but I definitely don't recommend that.

 

[Alex Brentnall]

DBS and DBE are not ugly.

Ok now we've cleared that up I agree with the above. Starts hitting T6 and Asp explorer territory although I am an advocate of a large high tech explorer ship from Saud Kruger that I keep floating as an idea as something between the Asp and the Anaconda..

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

http://coriolis.io/outfit/diamondba...2--031vv62i2f.Iw1-kA==.IwBj4yKA?bn=Multi-task

It's absolutely possible to have those characteristics you specified. As long as you stay far, far away from hazardous resource extraction sites. Then again, if you have an exploration vessel, you probably don't plan to be going to those anyway. Note: Due to the lack of shields, the thrusters are A for high-g planets. It'll require some remarkable finesse not to damage this thing upon landing, especially bad since you really don't have room for an AFM unit. Also, if you're feeling really gutsy, you could remove the chaff launcher and have a bit of extra range, but I definitely don't recommend that.

That won't work, needs a fuel scoop.

 

[CMDR Argent Steel]

The Explorer was your larger Diamondback, unfortunately. I don't think we'll see a third and even larger version, since both the Diamondback ships are small sized, but their bigger siblings are the Asp Scout and Explorer which are medium sized.

I have a lot of affection for the Diamondback ships myself though. They're excellent at what they do.

 

[HereticPilot101]

Dang. You're right. Well, you could sacrifice the Detailed surface scanner. Because, and let's be real here, FD isn't gonna make a third Diamondback, so either figure this one out, or upgrade to the Asp.

Edit: Was replying to Max Factor. Forgot to quote.

 

[Apos]

Bigger version, improvements to the current version. I'll take anything.

The diamondback is just so elegant in its simplicity and I love it. But it always feels lackluster...

 

[Matt L. Icious]

I myself would prefer the Diamondback explorer exchange a size 2 internal slot to 2 size 1 internal slots just to make it a viable deep space exploration vessel again.

Supplemented quote for clarity. The stats weren't as bad pre-Horizons. Otherwise: Word, some love for the DbX, please.
I can arrange myself with the smallish fuel scope and I'd be willing to trade the large hardpoint for another internal, but my impression is that this will become VERY handy - so better not. But something needs to be done regarding scanners and internals.

Also, I can't wait to install a large multi cannon *dakkadakkadakka*

 

[Gaffa]

Well thank you all for your comments.
I agree with you all regarding the present Explorer needs more internal space so it can be outfitted as a Mining and Explorer.

So, tell me how hard is it for E.D. to manufacture a new ship, for there is defiantly a clear following and therefore the ship type all ready has a potential buyers market.

I see no reason why E.D. can't make us a new Diamondback suitable for our needs ,clearly this ship type has a following.
Those that like other ships will purchase them anyway.
Its a bit like Holden and Ford, once you start on one brand you tend to stick with it.

So gentlemen, tell me, WHO do we start lobbying?
Perhaps someone can set up a poll (I don't know how to on here) asking the question, would you buy a new Diamondback if it was larger and could be set up for Mining and Planet landings and carry a vehicle, etc.

Yours Aye
Commander D38

 

[Archvillain]

Dang. You're right. Well, you could sacrifice the Detailed surface scanner. Because, and let's be real here, FD isn't gonna make a third Diamondback, so either figure this one out, or upgrade to the Asp.

I am hoping that the Engineers expansion might allow the 1C ADS and the 1C DSS to be combined into a 3C (or maybe even a 2C) dual-scanner module, though presumably doing this would be Not Cheap!
If so, then the build could work.

Or maybe the Engineers expansion will offer some other approach for getting the DBX equipped for greater exploration?

I think the chances of a new DBX ship are probably close to nill for the next couple of years, but it wouldn't surprise me if it happened at some point in the long-haul ten-year plan. The DBX is intentionally a explorer ship that falls short of being as useful as the Asp but is cheaper.

 

[StiTch]

Well thank you all for your comments.
I agree with you all regarding the present Explorer needs more internal space so it can be outfitted as a Mining and Explorer.

So, tell me how hard is it for E.D. to manufacture a new ship, for there is defiantly a clear following and therefore the ship type all ready has a potential buyers market.

I see no reason why E.D. can't make us a new Diamondback suitable for our needs ,clearly this ship type has a following.
Those that like other ships will purchase them anyway.
Its a bit like Holden and Ford, once you start on one brand you tend to stick with it.

So gentlemen, tell me, WHO do we start lobbying?
Perhaps someone can set up a poll (I don't know how to on here) asking the question, would you buy a new Diamondback if it was larger and could be set up for Mining and Planet landings and carry a vehicle, etc.

Yours Aye
Commander D38

Tbh bud some of us want the DB to be more capable just as an explorer, let alone as an explorer/miner. Right now for exploration focussed builds it's going to have two slots taken by scanners, one C4 slot by a fuel scoop, likely the other C4 slot by an AFMU, leaving just one spare slot for either a second AFMU, a vehicle hangar, shields for the wary etc...

We don't need a third DB ship. The DBE is fine as a ship. What it needs is a buff to internal space. Nothing major; as I mentioned above just one more extra slot would make the world of difference.

As Archvillain has pointed out, we can only hope that engineers allows us to work some voodoo magic to improve the situation

 

[Shadowdancer]

DBS and DBE are not ugly.

That. I like the slightly greebly look and the detail work that has gone into those ships; I've had a shot of my DBE as a desktop background for a while and still find new details in there.

 

[Gaffa]

Tbh bud some of us want the DB to be more capable just as an explorer, let alone as an explorer/miner. Right now for exploration focussed builds it's going to have two slots taken by scanners, one C4 slot by a fuel scoop, likely the other C4 slot by an AFMU, leaving just one spare slot for either a second AFMU, a vehicle hangar, shields for the wary etc...

We don't need a third DB ship. The DBE is fine as a ship. What it needs is a buff to internal space. Nothing major; as I mentioned above just one more extra slot would make the world of difference.


As Archvillain has pointed out, we can only hope that engineers allows us to work some voodoo magic to improve the situation

Thank you for your comment,
I could live with the DB-X with more internal space, lets hope its a possibility.
Regards D38.

 

[2plex]

Scratch amondba.

 

[PiLhEaD]

...I myself would prefer the Diamondback explorer exchange a size 2 internal slot to 2 size 1 internal slots just to make it a viable deep space exploration vessel. At the moment we only really have 2, which are the Asp and the Conda.

Seconded. VERY!!!

I confess I do sometimes dispair at how FDev 'balances' things.

 

[terrycloth]

They'll make the Diamondback Colonizer, with two huge weapon hardpoints and 5 class-7 internals.

 

[Deleted member 38366]

I'd agree that essentially all Exploration Vessels should have 2x C1 Internals and a C2 Internal as a standardized baseline, so both Scanners don't waste space, neither does the basic Vehicle Hangar.
Then, all of them would need Internals for Shield Generator, Fuel Scoop and still have some minimum Cargo capacity.

To me, only a Ship that sports all these requirements even qualifies as an "Exploration Vessel".
Anything intended for Deep Space Exploration IMHO should also be able to carry an AFMU on top of that.

Still find it odd, as they should have seen it coming when they released Horizons.
All it would take is the splitting of some Internals and optimize them for the typical Exploration needs. Wasting precious Internal space is definitely none of them...

 

[WR3ND]

Pretty sure they're called an Asp Scout and an Asp.

Enjoy.

TL;DR: No, thanks. Took a Diamondback Scout so Sgr A. Had my fill of them after that. I now go exploring in a much more efficient ship, a fully combat loaded Vulture.