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[wbSakes]

But it's turning the whole community into a bunch of whiny toddlers , pvp is ruining my game( hissy fit) pve is ruining my game (hissy fit) engineers has ruined the game (hissy fit) new ai is to tough (toddler tantrum) the ai is to rubbish now( full blown fit gud toddler melt down).

If your customers are getting upset, then there is something wrong. It is always the company's fault when you see a burst of complaints from many customers. It could be one or a combination of mistakes made by the company. To name a few: failing to educate customers, faulty product, faulty customer support, or simply selling to the wrong market.

If I were FD I would solve these whining issues as follows:

1) Validate the discomfort of the customer by acknowledging that there is a problem and apologize.
2) Tell them the fix has been added to the development schedule.
3) Tell them how you plan on fixing their problem.
4) If there is a temporary fix that will come out soon, tell them what it will be and give a reasonable time frame that they can expect to receive it.

If you are unable to solve your customer's pain points quickly, the next best thing that should be implemented immediately is managing their expectations. I feel we are witnessing a failure of customer education and expectation management more than anything else.

(Of course there are just some whiny jerks out there, so I'm not implying that every complaint needs the above attention. But these complaint threads seem a bit out of control.)

 

[SpinestTHORR]

Well the imperials are simply salty because they didn't think to put a warship in merope first

 

[xXReaper4RentXx]

All those endless whinings about players in solo and PG ruining the pew pew crew's game would actually mean something if we indeed had a shared galaxy with the PC and Mac players....whos actions.. in whatever mode... are beyond influence.

Not to mention instancing.

A purely PvP approach, singular or group, to gameplay in ED be it the BGS manipulation or the permanently broken Powerplay, does nothing but stroke personal egos.
Without PvE, there is completely no game outside the narrow mindedness of a poorly implemented space combat sim...this isn't Eve online with cockpits... no grand player controlled factions, groups or whatever to make an impact on even minor instances in the vastness of the ED galaxy.

Stroking egos...I'm sure you're all legends in your own minds by now. Meanwhile, I'll get on with flying my spaceship and shooting rocks as far away from you as I can be

Legen...wait for it...dary

 

[FudePoof]

I'm going to reply in general here..... *clears throat*

Yes, what the 13th did was griefing. I honestly believe it was the only way to get their message across without inspiring a mass exodus from ED.
It is very unfortunate that they felt compelled to do what they did, but the blame should rest on FDev for not having a counter-goal to the federal expansion and in previous CG's as well.

PvE'rs should have an affect on the BGS as well, but it shouldn't be at the expense of people who play in open. They shouldn't be immune.
This is all happening because Fdev failed to create a a robust system that was fair to everyone.
Don't be angry at imperial, don't be angry at feds, don't be angry at the 13th.
This is all on Fdev.
Not saying they don't work hard, but sometimes their short sightedness really messes the experience up for everyone.

Yes, FDEV has the authority to use the hand of god whenever they want, as it is their game. But they do not have the right to alter the BGS because they claim the game is player driven.

People who want to PvP should be given the option, not preferential treatment
People who want to PvE should be given the option, not preferential treatment.
The way the mechanics are right now favor PvE gameplay, especially in instances like Segovan where there isn't a way to counter a CG through PvE practices.

Fdev's actions in Segovan reflect their lack of understanding of in-game features that they implemented.


FDEV, or mods, or admin;
if you are reading you should let your higher-up know the best way to go about this is to refund the rebuy's of every CMDR dead in Segovan, issue an apology for the act of god(who could not be reached for comment), and make sure that every CG has a fair and equal way to counter it.
In this instance combat bonds could've been offered to those that destroy NPC traders. These bonds would negate a fair and proportional amount of commodities given in favor of the cg based on the value of the bond and the difficulty of the target. (escorted transport convoys, unescorted t6s t7 t9s, elite, harmless etc)



I'm astounded fdev is smart enough to run and program ED but not smart enough to keep things fair and interesting.

 

[xXReaper4RentXx]

One of you hotshots need to send an email to DB and tell him we all want 1billion credits or we burn Eravate.

 

[4fast5me]

One of you hotshots need to send an email to DB and tell him we all want 1billion credits or we burn Eravate.

Error already got close to a billion in the aftermath of 2.1 rebuy refund...

Some people are damn lucky.

If fdev want to throw some our way that would be great.

 

[Mole HD]

I'm still finding it difficult to accept the reasoning of the proponents of open only play when they accuse Solo and PG players of ruining their game... can't the reverse also be true?

I once again point to the simple fact that over 10 times our number playing on PC and MAC in whatever mode, are completely untouchable by those aforementioned proponents of open only PvP mode.

Again I point out that for every commander you see, there are probably 3 times that number escape your attentions in the same mode due to the P2P instancing structure.

Basically, your arguments are complete bollox.

 

[FudePoof]

I'm still finding it difficult to accept the reasoning of the proponents of open only play when they accuse Solo and PG players of ruining their game... can't the reverse also be true?

I once again point to the simple fact that over 10 times our number playing on PC and MAC in whatever mode, are completely untouchable by those aforementioned proponents of open only PvP mode.

Again I point out that for every commander you see, there are probably 3 times that number escape your attentions in the same mode due to the P2P instancing structure.

Basically, your arguments are complete bollox.

Thanks for attacking me and putting up no argument at all!
Calling my opinion bollox is not an argument, friend.

10x, 3x ey , got any proof m8?
You don't have to accept anyone's outlook. Frankly, the majority of all PoVs are wrong.

Both ways is true. PvP'rs ruin the game for people by "griefing" (pvping) and PvE'rs ruin the BGS by being untouchable by the whole community.

Sure there's instancing issues, that would prevent people from being stopped anyways, but the real problem here is that there's no way to stop a CG.
There's no counter to CGs. PvE or PvP.
PvP has a small effect on changing the outcome, but PvE'rs are 100% immune and have everything to gain. There's no stopping a dedicated PvE group from changing the BGS short of UA bombing whole systems.

The whole things is trash from the ground up.
The instancing, state effects, and the solo-group/open balancing regarding the BGS.

This isn't about being a proponent of PvE, PvP, open, solo, federal, or empire.

This is an issue about Fdev not having a fair and balanced BGS that can be accessed, changed, resisted, or stopped by anyone and everyone.
The other issue is Fdev using the hand of god to alter events that are supposed to be player driven.





I'm getting a little tired of the PVE vs PVP, open/solo arguments when in reality that's hardly the issue at all.

 

[Ezren]

Yes, what the 13th did was griefing. I honestly believe it was the only way to get their message across without inspiring a mass exodus from ED.
It is very unfortunate that they felt compelled to do what they did, but the blame should rest on FDev for not having a counter-goal to the federal expansion and in previous CG's as well.

Okay so a few things. Firstly, you're taking the blame off of the 13th for their actions. Griefing is greifing, regardless of the flimsy rationale.

And the Feds won that CG a couple weeks back, not the Imperials. If the Imperials were so very concerned about their success vs the Federation then it wouldn't have been a complete blowout of a CG.

 

[FudePoof]

Okay so a few things. Firstly, you're taking the blame off of the 13th for their actions. Griefing is greifing, regardless of the flimsy rationale.

And the Feds won that CG a couple weeks back, not the Imperials. If the Imperials were so very concerned about their success vs the Federation then it wouldn't have been a complete blowout of a CG.

Not going to touch the LOCKDOWN issue, are ya?

If people so much as scratch a ship at dock in this game they scream greifer.

Did I take the blame off the 13th?
nope. Don't think I ever did.
I called them griefers. What more do you want?
The 13th is a bunch of griefers, MOBIUS players are a bunch of whiners with immunity.
They both suck equally and ruin eachother's gameplay.

Everyone is salty. Thus the thread.

AND AGAIN.
This isn't about imperials or feds or PvE or open.
It's about the BGS, the hand of god, and Fdev's lack of foresight when implementing features/CGs.

 

[Ezren]

Not going to touch the LOCKDOWN issue, are ya?

If people so much as scratch a ship at dock in this game they scream greifer.

Did I take the blame off the 13th?
nope. Don't think I ever did.
I called them griefers. What more do you want?
The 13th is a bunch of griefers, MOBIUS players are a bunch of whiners with immunity.
They both suck equally and ruin eachother's gameplay.

Everyone is salty. Thus the thread.

AND AGAIN.
This isn't about imperials or feds or PvE or open.
It's about the BGS, the hand of god, and Fdev's lack of foresight when implementing features/CGs.

If you want to give me a snappy ant attitude I'd be more than happy to give it back to you in spades.

 

[4fast5me]

Sorry for possibly derailing again Fude, but Ezren... I assume you're talking about Daramo. I'll just ctrl-c/ctrl-v something I posted earlier in another thread.


And the importance of Daramo was...?


No Imperial worth their merits cared about Daramo. It was not an important system by any measure. Rather than focus on a system that literally meant nothing to us as a whole we focused on continuing our efforts in powerplay; preparing Beta Hydri as an expansion target. One of the Federation's founder systems (and their main shipyard where all their Farragut cruisers are built) and subsequently took control of it.


Daramo...


...Pffft.

 

[Xaevryn]

Sorry for possibly derailing again Fude, but Ezren... I assume you're talking about Daramo. I'll just ctrl-c/ctrl-v something I posted earlier in another thread.


And the importance of Daramo was...?


No Imperial worth their merits cared about Daramo. It was not an important system by any measure. Rather than focus on a system that literally meant nothing to us as a whole we focused on continuing our efforts in powerplay; preparing Beta Hydri as an expansion target. One of the Federation's founder systems (and their main shipyard where all their Farragut cruisers are built) and subsequently took control of it.


Daramo...


...Pffft.

I'd rep you again if I could, lol.

 

[FudePoof]

If you want to give me a snappy ant attitude I'd be more than happy to give it back to you in spades.

It's hard not to get snappy when you're casting salt and shade in every direction.
Try not to have you forum posts in the format of :

" Okay so a few things" *snap finger in Z formation*
"First of all {put words/idea into CMDRS mouth} is so wrong. {noun}(s) is/are {noun}(s) "
" lastly/and the {insert justification for salt}"

Sorry for possibly derailing again Fude, but Ezren... I assume you're talking about Daramo. I'll just ctrl-c/ctrl-v something I posted earlier in another thread.


And the importance of Daramo was...?


No Imperial worth their merits cared about Daramo. It was not an important system by any measure. Rather than focus on a system that literally meant nothing to us as a whole we focused on continuing our efforts in powerplay; preparing Beta Hydri as an expansion target. One of the Federation's founder systems (and their main shipyard where all their Farragut cruisers are built) and subsequently took control of it.


Daramo...


...Pffft.

No problem, amigo. I didn't know the imperials did that. Pretty cool

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I'd rep you again if I could, lol.

I gotchu

 

[Xaevryn]

I gotchu

Eyy, good lookin' out.

 

[Mole HD]

Thanks for attacking me and putting up no argument at all!
Calling my opinion bollox is not an argument, friend.

10x, 3x ey , got any proof m8?
You don't have to accept anyone's outlook. Frankly, the majority of all PoVs are wrong.

Both ways is true. PvP'rs ruin the game for people by "griefing" (pvping) and PvE'rs ruin the BGS by being untouchable by the whole community.

Sure there's instancing issues, that would prevent people from being stopped anyways, but the real problem here is that there's no way to stop a CG.
There's no counter to CGs. PvE or PvP.
PvP has a small effect on changing the outcome, but PvE'rs are 100% immune and have everything to gain. There's no stopping a dedicated PvE group from changing the BGS short of UA bombing whole systems.

The whole things is trash from the ground up.
The instancing, state effects, and the solo-group/open balancing regarding the BGS.

This isn't about being a proponent of PvE, PvP, open, solo, federal, or empire.

This is an issue about Fdev not having a fair and balanced BGS that can be accessed, changed, resisted, or stopped by anyone and everyone.
The other issue is Fdev using the hand of god to alter events that are supposed to be player driven.





I'm getting a little tired of the PVE vs PVP, open/solo arguments when in reality that's hardly the issue at all.

My reply wasn't particularly pointed at your post, Fude...I did rep you for it

 

[FudePoof]

My reply wasn't particularly pointed at your post, Fude...I did rep you for it

sorry amigo!
There's so much salt out there, it's hard not to taste a lil salty myself!
Have some apology rep!

 

[Ezren]

It's hard not to get snappy when you're casting salt and shade in every direction.

Oh, I did not realize I was speaking to a child.

 

[4fast5me]

Oh, I did not realize I was speaking to a child.

Doesn't have a comeback to my last post.

Starts name calling.

Sounds about right.

 

[Isodyne]

Scatter thy salt on the bones of our enemies brothers and sisters ! Let none defy the memory of the mighty captain zog - lay waste to the unbelievers and turn their cities to salt so we may scatter again ! X