We are playing a simulation of a galaxy, and real science claims the universe "could" be a simulation

Jex =TE=

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Joe, The assumptions made were based on the dialogue in the thread. You made the assumptions and you listed them. I merely responded to someone elses posts, which included a computer running the sims. I can assume entropy will exist in whatever universe because its a fundamental principle which you also fail to understand. Otherwise it cannot exist. Can you have the expansion before the big bang? Furthermore your latter statement is false.

You cannot beat the Laws of Thermodynamics. They are hard and fast and unyielding. A universe without them is not a universe. Least not one within which anything can exist which could try to comprehend them. A simulation that ignores them is not a simulation, its merely a program.

More assertions about an external universe you have no knowledge of.
 
More assertions about an external universe you have no knowledge of.

You seem to be the one making the assumptions and the assertions with statements you cannot uphold. Furthermore you are the one making personal attacks rather than entering a debate. Please desist. Thank you.
 

Jex =TE=

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You seem to be the one making the assumptions and the assertions with statements you cannot uphold. Furthermore you are the one making personal attacks rather than entering a debate. Please desist. Thank you.

OK point out a personal attack.

I'm pointing out your assumptions that YOU cannot uphold and you're telling me I'm making assertions?

LOL ok.

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Any law of nature is tied to the universe it exist in. If that universe is an artificial creation, those laws have been consciously put there to create the right experience.

If a universe designer adds the 2nd law of thermodynamics to their simulation, it's most likely to have the concept of linear time in their creation.

Linear time may be a reality in the universe designers universe, but it could also be something they made up.

If we start talking about multi level simulation(like playing multi crew or CQC:rolleyes:), it gets rather messy because the designer and the player don't necessarily have their consciousness manifested just one step apart. There are also probably many parallel realities on each level. We can chose different games than ED on that level and we can chose a couple of simulations inside ED.

Consciousness will in principal manifested it self in the lowest level of simulation that is believable enough. Whether or not entropy is needed to achieve this is something I wouldn't be to bombastic about.

I actually think that a state of the art VR simulator combined with ample amount of drugs could get pretty close to the 'believable level', even with today's technology. :D

The simulator people might be reading this thread and laughing to themselves ;)
 
Well, if this is a simulation, the creators can see we're getting close to exposing it:
  • we're continually building bigger/stronger telescopes to see deeper into the universe
  • The Matrix
  • Neil DeGrasse Tyson is talking about it
  • There's a thread on the ED forums discussing it
Won't be long before this happens:
[video=youtube;Gn5kuDdeGzs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn5kuDdeGzs[/video]
:)
 
I'm not keen on the default Iron Man mode either.

How do you know it's iron man mode. Have you, personally, died?

There have been a few times when I have nearly fallen asleep when driving on the motor way. And I have wondered 'did I actually fall asleep and cause a multi car pile up, and died? But then that reality was closed off as my consciousness skipped to another parallel one where I did not fall asleep? That in that first universe I have sadly passed away, from the point of view of everyone I knew, yet from my new perspective it never happened. And if so, how many times has that happened? How many times have I moved from reality to reality and not died?'

And that what if that is the same for everyone? You never die. At least not from your point of view. Until perhaps of old age.

Now that is all probably totally codswallop, however the fact remains, I have never died.
 
How do you know it's iron man mode. Have you, personally, died?

There have been a few times when I have nearly fallen asleep when driving on the motor way. And I have wondered 'did I actually fall asleep and cause a multi car pile up, and died? But then that reality was closed off as my consciousness skipped to another parallel one where I did not fall asleep? That in that first universe I have sadly passed away, from the point of view of everyone I knew, yet from my new perspective it never happened. And if so, how many times has that happened? How many times have I moved from reality to reality and not died?'

And that what if that is the same for everyone? You never die. At least not from your point of view. Until perhaps of old age.

Now that is all probably totally codswallop, however the fact remains, I have never died.

Well, I know people that have, and they haven't respawned, to my knowledge at least. Maybe they were NPCs...
 
Well, I know people that have, and they haven't respawned, to my knowledge at least. Maybe they were NPCs...

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That's sort of my point (without wishing to disrespect anyone). Going back to the original premise IE if this a simulation. It could be, and you might have set up the perimeters yourself. You may have chosen to be in a simulation of life in the late 20th and early 21st century on Earth (which may or may not exist in the parent reality). And stipulated to want to live for about 80 years. During that time you will of course know other people that sadly pass on. But you don't. Not till the end of the simulation. At which point you might wake up and remember you are a 3000 year old Septapod. And then go on to live another simulated life, this time a carnivorous reptile from a high G world.
 
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Not that I buy this "universe" being a simulation, I don't really understand the physics behind it all.
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...-its-very-likely-the-universe-is-a-simulation

but it does amuse me that we are playing a game which is a simulation of the galaxy, and our avatars are two levels of inception down.

Or we are a playing future version of Elite 6th, made by a cybernetically enhanced David Braben in the year 2105 letting us play a version of our younger selfs in 2017.

It's teleprescense
 
Goodness

All this stems from the Mathematics that proves (mathematically) that all the bits of information within a bounded region are not proportional to the volume of the region, but are (surprisingly, and contrary to intuition) proportional to the surface area of the bounded region.

e.i. given a sphere, everything inside can be described on it's surface rather than looking within it's volume. Not intuitively logical, but nonetheless it is the mathematical consequence of the resolution of the Hawking dilemma.

It's basically pure theoretical physics and mathematics. The metaphysical or religious speculative implications are a separate subject. Confusing the two accomplishes nothing.

Right...

The holographic principle isn't realistic or meant to describe our universe. It's a "test" or "toy" theory, designed to provide a reference point for research into quantum fields. It's been misconstrued by the media and metaphysicians as "evidence" for the simulation theory, which is 100% nonsensical existential bogus that pops up in popular science publications every so often.
 
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