Yeah traditionally, when you do a mistake and correct it, you use the correction as a base moving forward. Not the mistake.
Weapon and suits upgrades grind is broken.
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Why wouldn't you just sell what you have an excess of? Or trade it for what you don't have much of? I guess the universal storage is a pointless feature, probably should be removed, but I don't think it's that big deal.
Explain that to the people who fought to have one in Horizon, when it was added because it was just plain better afterwards.
The issue is micro management of inventory. You have to drop item to loot others. You might miss them because your inventory is full. Since those items are likely rare (you're full of common), it's a big deal.
And then you need to empty your storage painstakingly regularly. Not knowing what's more important and what's less. Do I need the cat meme or the opinion poll ? Both ?
It might not be the biggest issue ever, but it was fixed. Why is it back when we already know it's bad ?
I don't want to play "space cleaner of inventory" but ED.
Yeah - THIS basically.
I'm still trying to stockpile high grade suits and weapons...But Engineering can wait for now.
I don’t want to sell it because it’s hard to come by, I do not know if I need it in the future, and I really have no use for more credits.
I can not trade it for what I miss because what I miss are mostly chemicals at the moment, and I have a lot of tech, but you cannot trade tech for chemicals.
I can not use it for engineering because some ingredients are missing and I have only one Odyssey engineer unlocked.
Unlocking the next two engineers requires me to do Restore missions and conflict zone missions, which will give me more stuff, which I have no space for. So I now have to basically do those missions for credits, and leave all the loot in the lockers, which is a shame and a waste of time...
I hope you see the problem here
It's not like there is a long term goal to it. In the space part, I engineer my ship because it makes it better to do the activity I like. FSD for explo, or guns for combat, you name it. Better ship makes more rank, access to more difficult content, or is more efficient.
For ground, you upgrade for the sake of upgrading. Exploration and trading are fairly excluded (why would you need a better gun to scan plants ? And trader are ignored by the DLC altogether).
So why ? So you run CZ and stuff more effectively ? Why ? They reward crap money compared to space. You earn nothing else that can be transferred to the space sim part. You like the shooty shooty ? You are entitled to do so, but better shooters are hardly a rare commodity in today's videogaming landscape.
Exploration is, so far, the only mode than interact with the space sim. Since you can map the planet from the sky, land and scan the plant. So it's an added stuff to the existing exploration part.
Yet, it's the one that require the less in engineering. Guns are useless, and you can use a SRV for battery.
Without incentive for the space part, people will leave EDO once the new car smell wears off.
I wholeheartedly concur. I have maxed out everything (except CQC) in ED, so the main motivation for upgrading stuff in Odyssey is “because I can”. Odyssey missions payout is ridiculous compared to Horizons missions, and I am not short of credits anyways, so my goal is not to upgrade stuff to be better able to do Odyssey missions. Heck, even the combat oriented missions you can do with the SRV, no need for a Dominator suit...except for CZs maybe. It’s all a bit silly, really...
If you're going to try and G5 every piece of gear and weapon, yes it'll take a donkey's age. I don't think that's what they intend. You're supposed to be a bit more selective as to how you kit yourself out, after which getting your selection to G3 level is a pretty quick endeavor. For suits and weapons, you can find most G3s on the market, then upgrade whatever you missed. After that you've got your whole Elite career to kock out those G4 and 5 upgrades and mods.
I want to upgrade my favorite gun to G5 (the kinetic AR), and find a G3 maverick and a G3 plasma shotgun/pistol. The rest I don't care. It's not like there is a reason to upgrade it.
If anyone is curious, took me some 80 hours to fully grade 5 a loadout through what I would say is FDevs intended way of playing. 1 suit, 2 weapons:
Source: https://i.imgur.com/AEzh11v.png
EDIT: To be clear, I only really had fun doing it for the first half of that time, after that it got really repetetive and boring for me.
Source: https://i.imgur.com/AEzh11v.png
EDIT: To be clear, I only really had fun doing it for the first half of that time, after that it got really repetetive and boring for me.
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I feel the numbers to do the things are inflated though...likely because of the ability to exploit. I'd be fine if FD fixed it but only if they make it so you can either A) Get more materials via missions (highest level/rep missions paying the best mats) since creds are mostly useless after a few hours of playing B) If they leave everything as is, then just lower the amount of mats required to upgrade things... even if it was 50% it would still require quite a bit of time to play the game as intended.The whole point of rare items and high level engineering is that it’s hard to do, takes time and gives the player something to work towards....and keeps you playing too I suppose.
The problems only really arise with human desire to have everything now added to an ability to exploit the system (plus ready information on how to do this.) The only answer is for the ability to exploit a system to be removed - which will create a huge stink by a large number of the player base.
As a result the only thing we can do is make our own decision on how we want to play the game and accept the results of that.
I had assumed, from what was said on previous livestreams regarding certain relog abilities, that FDev were looking to close that down - it doesn’t look like that was the case.
To me it seems like the way they addressed the relogging was to simply inflate the amount of mats required to upgrade things, it would make relogging take even longer so people may be less inclined to do it. People who play the game as intended mostly wont care because they'll just be doing it longer.
This is telling. 80 hours is far too long IMO....at least with the amount of content available to acquire the required materials. 8 - 12 hours sounds better in my head...again with the current content we have. As I said above if missions paid out better material rewards Im willing to bet it would take half as long, and you could potentially do more varied activities to get them.
Extra Backpack Capacity
Grants increased inventory and consumable capacity.In-Game Description Extra Backpack Capacity is an Engineering modification that can be applied to Suits. This modification can be applied by the following Engineers: Domino Green Rosa Dayette Wellington Beck This modification increases Backpack...
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1.35 million credits for a bigger backpack...rofl..and theres only two people in the galaxy that can make one for you. #REALISTICUNIVERSE
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My suggestions to rebalance engineering in Odyssey:
- allow trading of all engineering "materials" ... what is possible with Bartenders is good, but please add there all
- rebalance needed materials for concrete types of things, make it more diverse and reflecting purpose of upgraded item
The longevity of legs content seems really questionable. With ships there is PVP and AX blocked by grind. So if you want to participate in PVP or hunting you need to grind engineers. But with legs...does anyone enjoy FPS part enough to play PVP or even combat zones? I can't see the PVP being a thing at all. Why not just play Halo?
I feel like with Elite, instead of focusing on the grind focus more on the missions. Give us more enjoyable missions that we would play over and over again. I'm not saying there's not any missions that are that way. With honesty I absolutely love going to these abandoned settlements and looking for loot, but I wish they'll do more to expand on it. For example I can get a mission to loot an abandoned settlement deal with scavengers at the settlement and maybe pirates chasing my ship on the way to return the item. I feel like Elite they need to focus on the journey not the vehicles. I was perfectly happy playing Elite without engineers. Don't get me wrong I love the concept of taking a low-level ship and making it better, but not at the cost that frontier expects. I personally just want to float around space find some abandoned locations find some loot and call it a day. However when you play an open you have to deal with people with engineered ships and in order to compete you need an engineer ship too. It's going to be the same way on foot.
This. With how things have been implemented there is no reason to play PVP since its so shallow. In order for PVP to exist on foot it needs to bring combined arms to the table, or battles at a planetary level. Its too small scale to actually make it a PVP experience that you can get better almost anywhere else. Maybe one day but by then there might be something more advanced.
It's not that easy. Yes I don't have to do anyhting of that in a sandbox game. But Frontier spent a considerable amount of resources in implementing those mechanics instead of creating something else. It is a big part of the game now. So that's what's on the plate and I'll take it. And if I don't like it, I'll let them know it (or find ways to deal with it). After all I spent money on the Horizons season pass and Odyssey. Who goes out and spent 40-60 bucks on a game with the whole intention of only experiencing half of what it has to offer?
And once the credit situation is handled, engineers are a great incentive to keep doing those rather generic missions. It's the execution of this game mechanic that is lacking.
(Personally I would like to see Engineers gone for how thoroughly they've destroyed PvE/PvP game balance, but that ship has sailed a long time ago.)
I have just recently installed the Odyssey add on/DLC/update, whatever they call it these days.
Apart from aspects from Horizons now GONE (such as the 'angel' trails of other SC ships, or the CLANG sound when you land now gone, replaced by a sound of landing in custard when docking, or the hyperspace FSD jump visuals replaced by the original Elite version, which actually I prefer lol).
Apart from glitchy assets overloading the load order, cancelling out sound files, texture or even mesh files and clipping of entire world space layers - (everyone sunk half way into the floor when you load into a space station concourse) - unable to interact with the trader because they are sunk behind the counter into the floor, blocking the interaction hitbox.
Apart from the bottlenecking of materials blocking progress of gathering other rarer materials, because of inventory limitation and RNG percentages being a little extreme,
Well... yeah, I guess there is more to the game that I, too, take issue with. A year on from the OP of this post and nothing done about any of this has me somewhat disenchanted, concerned and a little miffed to be fair.
I was just wondering about if I could transfer a module over from a suit to another suit, yanno, having earned them through either pot luck finding it ready installed or through grinding my eyeballs out, having exhausted an entire packet of painkillers for the headaches, I thought I'd have at least been able to mix and match my now owned stuff...
I could actually accept a concept of having to unlock the Engineers so as to learn how to switch out weapon or suit modules, but since there are literally a very unusually limited variety of weapons or suits to choose from in the game, shows how little has been put into the development of that facet to this update. I had to shuffle around stuff between my hard drives to accomodate the massive space the Odyssey update takes in my computer storage. There are so many things that are AMAZING in this update and it's GREAT! I do really love loads of aspects, but this particular KEY content; The suits, modules, weapons, upgrades, is so very limited and lacking in diversity. The saving grace is that the modules at least offer some variation in diversity between what you can do to change the characteristics of weapons/armour, but it falls very short of the mark and involves such a headache of inventory management and dice rolling, such that it is really disheartening when the one thing you need just isn't showing up and you're trying everything you can but realising it is literally a dice roll no matter how far you fly around the galaxy.
The bottle necking of material quantity of common mats prevents the flow of actually focusing on what you set out to do in the first place. The game drags you into a tedious scenario of dice-rolling for contents of lockers, with a heavy chance of losing out on those dice rolls. It desperately needs rebalancing. I'm stuck on materials gathering, because I have no space left and I'm stuggling to trade and shuffle inventory around, it's not really what I had in mind for the game flow, regarding treasure hunting for mats to engineer my gear. The treasure hunt has ground to a halt and become a ghost hunt for a needle in a haystack and I feel like I just don't want to face it anymore.
Enough of the whining. What I'd love to see is better chances of mats, but more importantly some algorithmic steps introduced that create chances of stuff dropping relevant to where you are and what factors are going on in that place.
Say.. engineering materials and devices in a refinery, compared to consumer products and social data in a habitation settlement would help a lot. The different states of a system might also provide an opportunity to help the player find something they're looking for, for example, if a system is in a state of "election" then data such as opinion polls or other statistical data could be found there as long as that state is in effect. This would engage the player and create relevance to the game, making it dynamic and interesting/immersive.
I'd love to see more weapon and suit models, a heck of a lot more characteristics too, such as bullet trajectory, based on callibre of the bullet or muzzle velocity and how it can affect penetration or bullet speed. Inter-changeable attachments. Different ammo.. Many games made YEARS ago feature these aspects and they serve to make the game play so much richer. There's so much to mention here and I don't have that much room to mention everything, but one last gripe is the ARX store; It is full of copy/paste and everything separated into peace-meal quantities. The prices are also rather extortionate. Also, when can we see more of a fairer arx weekly cap, like 1000 rather than 400? I hit that cap within 5 minutes of the tick ROFL! It takes me literally MONTHS just to change colours from red to blue for example of a paintjob. what is that? I'd happily spend money in the in-game store if I thought it was worth it, but it is just a rip off as it is.
I just think a little more effort in variety, diversity and complexity is needed for equipment, suit and weapon characteristics, and also being able to unlock the ability to switch-out modules and other accessories would be so much appreciated!
Love the game, still. But initial reactions to the content of Odyssey is pretty slim. pretty basic, not much detail, not much choice, variety, complexity etc. RNG dice roll of mat spawns needs reballance and made more relevant to location and state context.
I also think we should be able to select whatever coupling of weapons we like. If I want to use two Rifles in primary and secondary, I should. Or if I want two pistols.. why not? Would be happy to have a limit of what I Can carry, so long I get to choose what I carry.