Weapons that strip a HULL through SHIELDS? no thanks!

Siranui · Jan 12, 2017

X-Terminator said:
How complicated would storing the last min of data in a BLACK BOX for FD to know what happens in these cases? Who designed the game not to include such valuable functions?

How do you know they don't?

When I made a support call, they were able to provide a good analysis of the issue.

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X-Terminator said:
The only enemy Ship near was the Python NPC 5km away. I could hear the damage I was taking.
I'm thinking that a malfunction caused overheating and burned my hull! New malfunction notices are added I have seen. I regularly get into 200% heat! I have had Multi-Canons jam also prior this.

The only one on your sensors anyway.

TBH, it sounds like you might cooked yourself.

Apos · Jan 12, 2017

Siranui said:
If it was a CZ, I'm not sure OP can be truely certain that what killed them was the Python at 5km they could see. Likely there was another closer ship, not showing on their sensors.

Really? Why not? High rank NPCs can certainly have engineered weapons, but can they never have some of the specific special effects?

Occam's razor: Bug that did this, or unseen foe in a chaotic combat environment?

Engineering got removed from NPCs.

What they still have is insane (and inhuman) pip management. If dangerous and above, expect that all your damage ends up of a 4 pip shield.

babelfisch · Jan 12, 2017

X-Terminator said:
My Shield showed I was not under fire. No CMDRs were in my OPEN instance I had been there for 1hour. I had just finished off a Ship then noticed my hull dropped rapid yet had took no damage prior this at all. The only enemy Ship near was the Python NPC 5km away. I could hear the damage I was taking.
I'm thinking that a malfunction caused overheating and burned my hull! New malfunction notices are added I have seen. I regularly get into 200% heat! I have had Multi-Canons jam also prior this. Yes I use incendery rounds.

So it's either a bug or user error. Why do you get into 200% heat? SCBs?

jwilson2359 · Jan 12, 2017

Elite and dangerous can still have engineered weapons.

X-Terminator · Jan 12, 2017

babelfisch said:
So it's either a bug or user error. Why do you get into 200% heat? SCBs?

3 beams, 2 of these are turets, then 3x SBC but add the Thermal damage and there you go.

TuxedoSteve · Jan 12, 2017

jwilson2359 said:
Elite and dangerous can still have engineered weapons.

They can have engineered modules, but that does not include weapons.

trollson · Jan 12, 2017

Anyone else reminded of Meson Accelerators from (classic) Traveller?

Midian27 · Jan 12, 2017

jwilson2359 said:
Elite and dangerous can still have engineered weapons.

No they dont. The higher ranks can have some mods but not weapons.

Mr_Blastman · Jan 13, 2017

I want this weapon.

I'd love to pop some shield boating FDLs with it.

Siranui · Jan 13, 2017

Apos said:
Engineering got removed from NPCs.

What they still have is insane (and inhuman) pip management. If dangerous and above, expect that all your damage ends up of a 4 pip shield.

Sorry, but you are very mistaken. Your information is incorrect. Please check the patch notes for confirmation.

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Midian27 said:
No they dont. The higher ranks can have some mods but not weapons.

Yes, they can. Dangerous and above can have Engineered weapons. It's in patch notes.

Snarfbuckle · Jan 13, 2017

We already have weapons that penetrate hull to damage modules so why not weapons penetrating shields.

babelfisch · Jan 13, 2017

X-Terminator said:
3 beams, 2 of these are turets, then 3x SBC but add the Thermal damage and there you go.

Well there was no thermal damage done because nobody attacked you. Must be a bug.

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Siranui said:
Sorry, but you are very mistaken. Your information is incorrect. Please check the patch notes for confirmation.

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Yes, they can. Dangerous and above can have Engineered weapons. It's in patch notes.

AFAIK this is related to engineered modules, not weapons. Could be wrong though.

pica pica · Jan 13, 2017

Mr_Blastman said:
I want this weapon.

I'd love to pop some shield boating FDLs with it.

Here you go.

It's a brutal fight with twists and turns.

Shield tank lightweight FDL running 4 x C2 Efficient PAs (2 of which have phasing sequence)
v
Bi-weave shielded (hull tanked?) Vulture running 2 x C3 PAs (both have phasing sequence - I assume)

The Vulture Cmdr is as good as I've seen.

[video=youtube;cDHRbxxsubY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDHRbxxsubY[/video]

X-Terminator · Jan 14, 2017

Seems to be an introduction into the new (or now old) Heat Meta...you are welcome! Now to change my loadout omg!!!

"Looking at your account I can see that there are two deaths on January 12th without a 30 minute period. The cause of these deaths appears to be identical and in neither case is it direct fire from another ship. In the case of the first death I can see that your shields remained at 60% while your hull degraded; in the second death, they were at 81%."

EDIT: At least it wasn't the FISH PIE R.I.P. Gordon Henley (Squadron Red Leader Garven in Star Wars)

jaymate140 · Jul 3, 2017

I just had a similar experience fighting an elite anaconda + fighter in a cz. Wasn't instant though. Problem was I was busy chaffing and popping shield cells and didn't realise my hull was taking damage till it was at 20% !!!
Made a swift exit. I hadn't realised how effective it could be but I do now.
Cretainly won't keep me out of cz's, just one more thing to look out for (0;

CMDR _BigJay_ · Jul 3, 2017

jaymate140 said:
I just had a similar experience fighting an elite anaconda + fighter in a cz. Wasn't instant though. Problem was I was busy chaffing and popping shield cells and didn't realise my hull was taking damage till it was at 20% !!!
Made a swift exit. I hadn't realised how effective it could be but I do now.
Cretainly won't keep me out of cz's, just one more thing to look out for (0;

Heat sinks are a thing!