What did they do to FER-DE-LANCE.

[Teljkon b]

Every time i take it out of the hanger to go and hunt. The out come is crap. I started bounty hunting last week this three times buy back and im basically bottomed out again. It has so many heat problems It can hardley manage beam lasers any more. The last time i got toasted it was because I couldn't get back in time after the cockpit going on me. Not a weak point it used to have at all. Multi cannons just don't tear it up any more on the large mounts full size cannons didn't work much better either and the beam laser with the heat. I used to grin 1-2 million an hour easy. Now i lose 4-5 million. I have to imagine that FD is beyond frustrated. I don't know who the changes made the game better for but it destroyed the FDL for me. If not the FDL then what ship is the bounty hunters creme de-jure. The biggest thing is Im just taking to much damage its not doing what it used to which is stay right behind your prey and away from their guns.

I mean a g clipper clipped my wings that never would have happened. If anyone has a success full Fer-De-LAnce build I'im interested. I can't keep doing this though its .


I really dislike losing as much as the next player an while im willing to accept some losing as part of a game. I cant fly it in the red anymore. Either some one tells me how to make it work or im starting a F-D-L pilots group to get the ship back to where it deserves to be. It used to be the terror of res-sights and now its just space garbage.

 

[MrFailfactory]

Just out of curiosity, are you referring to the beta version of the FDL, or the current live version?

Also, how long has it been since you've played?

Riôt

 

[znôrt]

post your loadout, and a video if possible, and we might help you identify what you're doing wrong because the fdl still rules the skies very much.

 

[Foxiol Eagle]

Take the time and do some engineers. Search for the ones that can upgrade your Power Plant (Engines), Thrusters and Shields. Then if you want some more juice from your weapons you'll also need to check which ones do the job for you.

It takes several amount of hours but since the game went this route of making engineered NPC's so they can be more "dangerous", you'll need to upgrade your ship with engineers to compensate their aimbot shots and take some more damage.

I had problems lately with my Python but after some tweaks here and there with 5 engineers, the ship feels quite good again and can put a fight against NPC's. (deadly/elite Fer De Lances are still a pain though)

Frontier did this to the game (engineers) mostly for the PvP crowd but forgot about Solo players, so you better take some time to find materials and then unlock some engineers and you are done. (it took me a couple of days to unlock 10 engineers while playing 3 hours a day, so it is not a big deal, the problem are the materials required but you can check all that at Inara.cz)

Engineers are they key if you want to be competitive back again, and of course getting better with your piloting skills helps too.

 

[CMDR Cosmic Spacehead]

Well, my FDL (live game) is mothballed in a hangar somewhere.

Since 2.2(or something) i cant seem to get it to do combat how i would like.

My Python on the other hand, is now way better in combat than my FDL, and can do more roles, and jump further.
And because my Python has dirty drives 5, and my FDL doesn't, it's actually more fun than my FDL to fly.

But my old setup for my FDL is 1 huge beam and 4 multies. Plus a load of shield boosters and stuff.

 

[Comrade Napoleon]

Well, my FDL (live game) is mothballed in a hangar somewhere.

Since 2.2(or something) i cant seem to get it to do combat how i would like.

My Python on the other hand, is now way better in combat than my FDL, and can do more roles, and jump further.
And because my Python has dirty drives 5, and my FDL doesn't, it's actually more fun than my FDL to fly.

But my old setup for my FDL is 1 huge beam and 4 multies. Plus a load of shield boosters and stuff.

Yeeearrrh !! Good 'ol Python is back!! Modded FSD + Thrusters + PP rocks Mine fully A kitted + modded goes like 405 boost and handles like a FAS. Jumprange 208 Cargo 17,9 LY and that is with mirrored armor.
The python is back!
When will they nerf it ?

Cheers Cmdr's

 

[Alex Brentnall]

Nothing last change was a big buff to the powerplant and a few other bits, they have however buffed the AI to the roof.

In seriousness though the AI just takes a bit of re-learning. Also Engineers and 2.1 changed everything.

 

[Teljkon b]

Just out of curiosity, are you referring to the beta version of the FDL, or the current live version?

Also, how long has it been since you've played?

Riôt

I haven't really heavily bounty hunted since before the engineers. I took a stop to hunt again a little after it came out and i did ok but they were still updating it at that time so i went exploring figuring it would get back to it when i came back. Know i went from doing ok to flying a giant bulls eye. There is things getting harder but this is just total .

 

[Bomba Luigi]

Only thing they did to the FDL is buffing it to make it the op combat ship of the game

 

[Alex Brentnall]

I haven't really heavily bounty hunted since before the engineers. I took a stop to hunt again a little after it came out and i did ok but they were still updating it at that time so i went exploring figuring it would get back to it when i came back. Know i went from doing ok to flying a giant bulls eye. There is things getting harder but this is just total .

If you are in a combat zone yes all of the 20 enemies around you can suddenly decide you are threat #1 and turn on you instantly. If you are in a RES site it should be ok though, FDL is still the king of combat next to the vulture and Corvette..

 

[Morbad]

FDL is as potent as it has ever been.

 

[Teljkon b]

My old load out was all beam lasers with plenty of heat sinks to manage the heat for those and my shield booster. Chaff a warrant scanner of course. Everything else is all A rated top line but my shields I think those are B right now. Ive backed off the beam lasers and tried a few differnt things slung under. Cannons multi cannons etc. None have been impressive. Sure the shields used to only last for a few goes even when i flew with A's before the update. Now they last longer bravo, but I just cant get enough DPS for it to make a difference. Also the shield recharge takes way to long.


IDK it's moth balled for now either that or im switching to the Python apparently. unless some one can give me build guidance that works without having to go to a million Engineers. Not that im apposed to engineers. I just don't have access to them all yet an they are a grind Im not looking to do right now.

 

[Teljkon b]

If you are in a combat zone yes all of the 20 enemies around you can suddenly decide you are threat #1 and turn on you instantly. If you are in a RES site it should be ok though, FDL is still the king of combat next to the vulture and Corvette..

Listen If that's the case they Nerfed my build and Nerfed it good. An everything i try isn't working so either they just made a none engineered FDL a garbage scow. Or Frontiers development team has tweaked my instance because of my whining in the forums. I don't think anyone at frontier is a complete ponce so am I right the the FDL is just junk un-engineered is that the take away.

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If you are in a RES site it should be ok though,

strictly in a res site and I got iced by a clipper!

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Only thing they did to the FDL is buffing it to make it the op combat ship of the game

HUH? op?? i don't get the joke.

 

[Comrade Napoleon]

strictly in a res site and I got iced by a clipper!

Hmmm, you openly and voluntarily admit that...

:x

Cheers Cmdr's

 

[goemon]

i yesterday winged up with a cmdr in an unengineered FDL; i also fly it sometimes on my secondary non-horizons/non-engineering account ... now, if you fly an unengineered FDL you'll have to fly it differently than a engineered FDL, but it still is an impressive ship.


1. if you haven't done combat for a long time, take a small and cheap ship to relearn the updated AI without high rebuy costs. take a viper mKIII or an eagle to high res or nav beacon. i do that regularly (love the eagle), and it will teach you evasive flying, not to tank, and flying smart - which is needed to some extend with the current AI.

2. i'm positive, if you put your loadout into coriolis.edcd.io we can tweak it

3. yes, an all beam FDL won't work without engineering, as its fully overpowered heatmanagement of 1.5/2.1. was reverted. my wingmate yesterday was running 4 pulses and a huge MC with a lot of success; i fly my non-engineered FDL with huge MC, 2 medium bursts, and 2 PA

anyway, good luck with getting back into bountyhunting!

 

[urFOOLISHNESS]

Bro do you really think FD is specifically targeting you by nerfing your personal ship? If you have been away for a while and everyone else is having a good experience, perhaps the problem is not with the game or the ship. Weapons get rebalanced as well as shields. I have found that I had to adjust but my FDL is perfect in a Haz Rez. I use 4 fixed pulse and a huge gimbaled MC. The strength is the A rated power distributor. With good pip management an unegineerd Fdl will be fine 1v1.

 

[Ian Skippy]

strictly in a res site and I got iced by a clipper!

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HUH? op?? i don't get the joke.

That shouldnt happen, at all. How long were you gone? If I were you I'd start with a cookie-cutter 4xmedium fixed pulse and 1xgimballed huge MC (to make use of kinetic scaling). Make sure you have 4pips to sys at all times when under fire, and just swipe stuff.

As for 'the joke': op means over-powered. Since the buff the FDL is insanely powerfull, without engineers. It runs hot, so all beams is not a very good choice, but for the rest its absolute ace. But no offense, it sounds like the biggest change you missed is the new AI. It was even better for a brief bit, but its not as mindless as it was last year. It may not be the ship, so take your time and re-build those skills.

 

[Teljkon b]

i yesterday winged up with a cmdr in an unengineered FDL; i also fly it sometimes on my secondary non-horizons/non-engineering account ... now, if you fly an unengineered FDL you'll have to fly it differently than a engineered FDL, but it still is an impressive ship.


1. if you haven't done combat for a long time, take a small and cheap ship to relearn the updated AI without high rebuy costs. take a viper mKIII or an eagle to high res or nav beacon. i do that regularly (love the eagle), and it will teach you evasive flying, not to tank, and flying smart - which is needed to some extend with the current AI.

2. i'm positive, if you put your loadout into coriolis.edcd.io we can tweak it

3. yes, an all beam FDL won't work without engineering, as its fully overpowered heatmanagement of 1.5/2.1. was reverted. my wingmate yesterday was running 4 pulses and a huge MC with a lot of success; i fly my non-engineered FDL with huge MC, 2 medium bursts, and 2 PA

anyway, good luck with getting back into bountyhunting!

That is just it I am not a garbage pilot I know how to do these things how to stay behind your enemy Keep out of his line of sight keep his auto tracking on its toes when he dose have you on rails and blow his lock with sinks. I'm Flat out saying its buffed so much it a scow UN-engineered and not worth flying anymore. If some one wants to present me with a build that is worth flying. I am happy to listen but IMO they Nuked this ship as is. I could strip rip and dip a clip no matter how good AI or otherwise in 200 seconds I just started to have trouble if i was trying to chewing threw anacondas but not a darn clipper. Thats post update just before my last big exploration mission run as my base of reference.

I disagree it is no longer an impressive ship to me it fly's like a scow. That brings me back to my title What did they do to the FDL?

 

[znôrt]

Listen If that's the case they Nerfed my build and Nerfed it good.

there was a period of ridiculously good heat management for the fdl. you mention heat problems in your op, so maybe that's that. if that's the case then, yes, it got nerfed (rightly i think, might as well have been a bug). work around is just don't go all beams or plasmas, which was insane.

and ... engineers are your friends. you don't need to go all the way to level 5. any improvement is an improvement and level 1-3 are very easy, good deal. they have mods for heat, and some extra juice for your distributor and thrusters is always nice.

 

[Teljkon b]

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Hmmm, you openly and voluntarily admit that...

:x

Cheers Cmdr's

Yeah i admit it They poped my canopy and i blew them out of sky. I asphyxiated to death BTW is kinda because i was just outside the station. I think anyone can hold there breath for the extra 60 seconds to land.

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Bro do you really think FD is specifically targeting you by nerfing your personal ship? If you have been away for a while and everyone else is having a good experience, perhaps the problem is not with the game or the ship. Weapons get rebalanced as well as shields. I have found that I had to adjust but my FDL is perfect in a Haz Rez. I use 4 fixed pulse and a huge gimbaled MC. The strength is the A rated power distributor. With good pip management an unegineerd Fdl will be fine 1v1.

Ill try your build and see how it works out. Your the first person to actually make a suggestion! No I don't believe they are personally targetting me. Thats how it feels though when they nerf your favorite build. The ship you ground from basic build to all A's.