What does it take to get developer or producer commentary in the forum?

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QziQza

QziQza
Nathan Explosion said:
Pretty sure I did...and I'm pretty sure I made it explicitly clear that I do not care about the physical prices of these specific ships. I actually think they're pretty fair, or at least in line with my expectations for their stats. But just to make sure you actually see it this time:



I don't see how I can be more clear than that. And if you need me to explain something so simple as the fact of income disparity between professions in Elite: Dangerous, I have to question how much time you have actually spent in game. It's pretty commonly known that traders make dependable, low risk, high earnings. They have options, and a veritable fleet of ships to choose from spaced in a reasonable way through their career development. Combat/Bounty Hunting have absolutely no such luxuries. Ships are scattered at far ends of the scale, with the Vulture representing a poor attempt at middle ground. I think it is representative of a lack of scalability in the ship pricing model, and fairly indicative that we are unlikely to see much disparity in combat ships below the 20Mcr price point.



Suprises are fine, but when the community has worked backwards to an exact figure, and threads have devolved into toxic arguments and insults over a number that will ultimately be proven to be fact, maybe it's time to spill the beans. Maybe they'll learn that this time.



As my Dad says frequently, "common sense ain't so common". We might have to amend that one for you to include basic reading comprehension if you actually think I am calling for a unilateral closure of the forums because of this single issue which you are at leas as hung up on as me. If you'd take the time to read...and comprehend...you'd note that ship pricing is not even the only issue I've mentioned. It is merely the one that you and a few others have latched onto in a feeble-minded attempt to discredit my valid complaint about a lack of communication from FD as a studio.
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Sounds like a very sensible man.

I think the real issue here, has less to do with your reasoning or complaints, and far more to do with the attidude in your delivery. Such is your manner, that im convinced you beleive you know better than they, how to manage and run this game or community. You really do feel that your words should be replied to because what? You have an opinion, 1 that is shared by a group of others, a very small group out of the 200-300k players that have this game. It isnt like FDev have access to metrics. The Devs have been communicating through the forums since they started the development of the game, and they continue to do so, in a smaller capacity, but that it understandable. So who exactly are you? Just another someone who plays the game same as everyone else, why should they listen to you? maybe they did, and if so why should they reply? You clearly have a very high opinion of yourself, maybe even visions of granduer. But all you are really doing here is making yourself look.. im torn for words.. arrogant or vienglorious would work, im all about choice, so i';ll leave you to select the 1 you feel fits the best.
 

Nathan Explosion

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Mike Evans said:
Create a thread titled "The flight model is shiiiiiiiiiiii..." and I'm bound to dive in.
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But, frankly, its totally not shiiiiiiiii... It's really about as far to the other end of the spectrum as it could be.

Neither is 95% of the game. Maybe that's why it gets so many of us so upset. We CMDRs should realize that if we didn't all care so much for the game and it's future, we wouldn't be here to argue so bitterly.
 

Commander Dave

Commander Dave
Nathan Explosion said:
Well, for a start, "Yes the Vulture is 22Mcr and the FdL is 102Mcr" would've been a good.
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Good?
Really?
What would be the point of any dev or anyone else for that matter making such a comment?
You can see that's what the prices are, the devs know what the prices are because they put them in the game. You know what the prices are because you have the game and have presumably looked at the prices.
So, what would be the purpose of such a comment?
Making irrelevant and redundant comments on pointless threads is an utter waste of dev time. It makes no worthwhile contribution. I personally would much prefer the devs focus their resources on making this game better for everyone.
Which they are doing, in a profoundly competent manner.

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Mike Evans said:
Create a thread titled "The flight model is shiiiiiiiiiiii..." and I'm bound to dive in.
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The flight model is shiiiiiiiiiiiincredible!
I love the differences between the ships. I can 'feel' the difference.
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.Stu.

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FD's level of response is on par with the entire gaming development community.

To be honest I'm not surprised there is no response to the kind of petty juvenile post you and others make "I'd be dumping FD stock if I owned any " LMFAO get over yourself.

I think you'll find DB is failrly well off, all from developing games, FD has several runaway hits to its name. In short, as a company they do this for a living and they are making a living at it. Since they want to continue making a living, they will do, what to them, is the best way to continue achieving that.

If you feel you can do significantly better, please go ahead and wow us with your next/first production.

I could batter on for ages - but I can't be really, I probably should not bother to post this, I've penned others like it and dumped them as futile.

Sorry 'n all that but I'm afraid Lave just does not revolve around you or your opinion!!

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Nathan Explosion said:
I've seen their comments, and my original statement stands. They provide commentary nobody asked for, while major issues (clearly major, at that, since there's 30 pages of discussion in less than 12 hours) go completely without input. It's unprofessional and unacceptable, but more than that, it's telling of how FD view the community here, and their customer in general. If you don't like their product, or voice dissent, they need to send you to a dark corner so that they can "control" their image. What they fail to realize is that they are alienating paying customers. You won't sell many expansions if everyone with the base game has given up six months ago.

I'd be dumping FD stock, but I don't own any.
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Nathan Explosion

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Commander Dave said:
Good?
Really?
What would be the point of any dev or anyone else for that matter making such a comment?
You can see that's what the prices are, the devs know what the prices are because they put them in the game. You know what the prices are because you have the game and have presumably looked at the prices.
So, what would be the purpose of such a comment?
Making irrelevant and redundant comments on pointless threads is an utter waste of dev time. It makes no worthwhile contribution. I personally would much prefer the devs focus their resources on making this game better for everyone.
Which they are doing, in a profoundly competent manner.
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For clarity, that would've been a good thing to do when the Beta forum had it figured out a week ago, and then spent a week attacking each other over something which turned out to be totally true. That could've been 100% avoided.

QziQza said:
Sounds like a very sensible man.

I think the real issue here, has less to do with your reasoning or complaints, and far more to do with the attidude in your delivery. Such is your manner, that im convinced you beleive you know better than they, how to manage and run this game or community. You really do feel that your words should be replied to because what? You have an opinion, 1 that is shared by a group of others, a very small group out of the 200-300k players that have this game. It isnt like FDev have access to metrics. The Devs have been communicating through the forums since they started the development of the game, and they continue to do so, in a smaller capacity, but that it understandable. So who exactly are you? Just another someone who plays the game same as everyone else, why should they listen to you? maybe they did, and if so why should they reply? You clearly have a very high opinion of yourself, maybe even visions of granduer. But all you are really doing here is making yourself look.. im torn for words.. arrogant or vienglorious would work, im all about choice, so i';ll leave you to select the 1 you feel fits the best.
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I think you should reflect on your posts and the way you have addressed me. I think you should reflect on whatever it is in your brain that has made me the personification of this forum's evil to you. I'd also like to understand where you have gotten the idea that I, specifically am demanding a response to my posts. Quite the opposite, truly. I've tried my best to make that very clear for you, but you continue to attack me personally. I tried to discuss the matter with you civilly, and you immediately jumped down my throat with personal insults, so how would you expect me to respond to you?

If you are behaving like a child, I am going to speak to you like a child. I'd love to have a reasoned, logical discord, but you didn't start down that path, and it is my prerogative whether to take the high ground, or continue to engage your childish, rude behavior, and I chose to engage you.

Your own arrogance, coupled with near total illiteracy has clearly illustrated to me the folly of my decision to even attempt to discuss this matter civilly with you. I don't have anything else left to say to you, but I'm assuming that your need for the last word will illicit another response where you clearly have not bothered to read or comprehend a word I have said. So have at it, I don't have anything else to say to you. Ever.
 

TriumphANT

TriumphANT
Nathan Explosion said:
Well, for a start, "Yes the Vulture is 22Mcr and the FdL is 102Mcr" would've been a good. Some news about a ship that doesn't scream 100+Mcr price tag might be even better. Or how about, "Yes, we know you don't make much bounty hunting right now, we are moving towards X by Q? 201?."
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But only because YOU want it. I thought the discussions on ship price, even amongst the Beta players, were light and interesting. Placing the ships into the context of the Elite Universe without knowing their de facto price, and then seeing the reality yesterday was pretty neat.

I agree that more low price ships are needed, but we're outside the game. We play it. They make it. If the other 13-15 ships all cost 20MCr+, then we have to play in that Universe. If FDEV announced tomorrow that every new ship was in that price bracket, or that every new ship was under 1MCr, would our/your world be a better place? No (to anwer an obviously rhetorical question). It wouldn't. We need to have patience, but above all we need to enjoy the game as it evolves. In a similar way, I was heavily involved in the early days of LASER Squad Nemesis, and the balancing issues around the Greys when they were introduced. Ah, the good old days. We aren't some kind of entitled kids here.
 

QziQza

QziQza
again ship pricing comes down to 'they have and i want' out of the2 new ships toi be released the Vulture is the most suitable for Bounty Hunters, comflict zones, RES and maybe even pirates.. it really kicks assss! at 20million it is a ship to aspire too for those professions. i would compare the grind to get the Vulture for a Bounty Hunter to the grind to get the Type 9 for a trader. they are relative to the profession.

Now the FDL is a different kettle of fish, thats not designed for a bounty hunter or a pirate.. thats for a bored fat cat trader.. more money than sense, and better ships for each individual role.. that more about status.

when it comes to earnings disparity it always comes back to bewing able toafford ships.. the ship those proffesions want, arnt the ships for those professions, its not the salary thats the issue, its just a simple fact that if you want to have the non profession ship, you will have to step outside that comfort zone and trade up for it.
 

Viajero

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Viajero
Nathan Explosion said:
There are many threads and issues where an official word is absolutely needed, and none can be seen. What do we actually have to do to get FD to notice us? Allowing these massive threads over game issues to fester for days is very bad for the community, which is undoubtedly bad for the game. Most of these threads could be resolved with a simple answer from developers or producers. So, officially, what does it take for us to get an answer to these important questions?
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Presume you are familiar with this?

http://eft.recoil.org/

Average of 30-35 posts a day by FDEV during working days not sure that constitutes a "none can be seen".
 

Nathan Explosion

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.Stu. said:
FD's level of response is on par with the entire gaming development community.

To be honest I'm not surprised there is no response to the kind of petty juvenile post you and others make "I'd be dumping FD stock if I owned any " LMFAO get over yourself.

I think you'll find DB is failrly well off, all from developing games, FD has several runaway hits to its name. In short, as a company they do this for a living and they are making a living at it. Since they want to continue making a living, they will do, what to them, is the best way to continue achieving that.

If you feel you can do significantly better, please go ahead and wow us with your next/first production.

I could batter on for ages - but I can't be really, I probably should not bother to post this, I've penned others like it and dumped them as futile.

Sorry 'n all that but I'm afraid Lave just does not revolve around you or your opinion!!

:)
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Ah yes, the tired old, "Well if you think you're so smart, why don't YOU make it" argument. Love to see people trot out the classic logical fallacies. Read the rest of the thread, I never once specifically asked a dev to respond to me.
 
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