What GPU?

Tyres O'Flaherty

Tyres O'Flaherty
I couldn't find the right place to ask this so, if a mod is reading and judges it's better placed elsewhere, that'd be great :)

Currently have a GTX980ti running at 2560 x 1440 and it seems fine. But I have a hankering to upgrade - an itch in my geek gland if you will. The two cards that are interesting me are the GTX1660ti and the RTX2060. Given my main game is ED and I don't really buy any new stuff, which would you choose?

According to UserBenchmark, there's not an awful lot in it.

 

Conde

Conde
Hi Tyres. I've been considering those 2 for my new build. Yes you are right, the RTX 2060 is certainly on a par with your old 980Ti but 2 generations on that's to be expected. The 1660Ti is a great card for the price but for not much more you get the possibility (no promises no guarantees ;)) of ray tracing if you ever did get or find a game you want to play that will have it implemented. However, even without RT the 2060 is still the one with more bang per buck so I would go for that one.

BUT, if you are staying at 2560 X 1440 you have to ask yourself why bother? The 980Ti is more than up to the job as you know and I can't see much performance gain in terms of FPS with ED using the 2060 instead of your 980Ti. The 2060 probably has the edge but I doubt you'd notice any difference going about your ED business putting them side by side with the same rig.

The connundrum I'm having is all about 4K. I have a decent 32" 2K monitor but it's not a gaming one with a very low response time and a high refresh rate such as 144 hz, but it plays ED very well. I play mostly Military/Space Sim/Action/MMO/RTS type games where I'm controlling some sort of vehicle rather than a living being FPS so my monitor copes with all that quite well. Having a G-Sync monitor also helps a lot but they are not cheap.

But if you or I are going to 4K, then a new 4K monitor at least 32" in size is obviously needed (4K any smaller and you'll need a microspcope) AND the RTX 2060 won't be up to the job at high or ultra settings. An RTX 2070 or 2080/2080i-the descendant of your current card will be required. The cost of those 2 will be 5 or 6 times more that just a 2060. For example the Acer Predator XB321HK G-Sync monitor in the UK is around £750 and it's a similar amount for an RTX 2080 and even more for the Ti version.

So the question is for us, is it worth spending something like £1500 to get 125% more pixels pushed around? Or are we happy with how ED looks now?

My other option is to stick with a new RTX 2060 which I know will work great at 2560 X 1440 and get a high end at least 32" or ultra wide gaming monitor (the extra pixels across won't bother the 2060), possibly one of those curved ones. I can't help wondering what my museum piece Commodore 64 playing 1984 Elite would think of it all! Fly safe! o7
 
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Tyres O'Flaherty

Tyres O'Flaherty
Conde said:
Hi Tyres. I've been considering those 2 for my new build. Yes you are right, the RTX 2060 is certainly on a par with your old 980Ti but 2 generations on that's to be expected. The 1660Ti is a great card for the price but for not much more you get the possibility (no promises no guarantees ;)) of ray tracing if you ever did get or find a game you want to play that will have it implemented. However, even without RT the 2060 is still the one with more bang per buck so I would go for that one.

BUT, if you are staying at 2560 X 1440 you have to ask yourself why bother? The 980Ti is more than up to the job as you know and I can't see much performance gain in terms of FPS with ED using the 2060 instead of your 980Ti. The 2060 probably has the edge but I doubt you'd notice any difference going about your ED business putting them side by side with the same rig.

The connundrum I'm having is all about 4K. I have a decent 32" 2K monitor but it's not a gaming one with a very low response time and a high refresh rate such as 144 hz, but it plays ED very well. I play mostly Military/Space Sim/Action/MMO/RTS type games where I'm controlling some sort of vehicle rather than a living being FPS so my monitor copes with all that quite well. Having a G-Sync monitor also helps a lot but they are not cheap.

But if you or I are going to 4K, then a new 4K monitor at least 32" in size is obviously needed (4K any smaller and you'll need a microspcope) AND the RTX 2060 won't be up to the job at high or ultra settings. An RTX 2070 or 2080/2080i-the descendant of your current card will be required. The cost of those 2 will be 5 or 6 times more that just a 2060. For example the Acer Predator XB321HK G-Sync monitor in the UK is around £750 and it's a similar amount for an RTX 2080 and even more for the Ti version.

So the question is for us, is it worth spending something like £1500 to get 125% more pixels pushed around? Or are we happy with how ED looks now?

My other option is to stick with a new RTX 2060 which I know will work great at 2560 X 1440 and get a high end at least 32" or ultra wide gaming monitor (the extra pixels across won't bother the 2060), possibly one of those curved ones. I can't help wondering what my museum piece Commodore 64 playing 1984 Elite would think of it all! Fly safe! o7
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Great reply many thanks!
 

mamsa

M
I would probably wait a month or so, Navi is coming out soon. Nvidia will probably launch something new to counter that. All the same, the prices will drop on everything.

To give a little more info. I run a Vega 56. Game uses 60-80% GPU utilization when flying towards a planet (just quick numbers). at 1440p with a mod that enhances graphics even more, No, not ENB, something heavier. Locked to 75 FPS with a Freesync monitor (love it). So something along the lines of Vega 56 performance should be good.
 
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CMDR Carbo

CMDR Carbo
I don’t quite understand why you would want to “upgrade” a 1000$ GFX card with a 350$ one that is at best 10% faster? Raytracing isn’t widely used right now and we have no idea when or if ED will use it.
BTW, I have the same card (980Ti) playing at 2560x1440 and the ED runs perfectly fine most of the time, with a few exceptions on planetary bases and guardian structures, but this has probably more to do wiith poor coding than the GPU.
The best upgrade for us would have been the 1080Ti, which still runs at par with a 2080, probably the card with the best longevity in recent years. If you have the itch to upgrade, I would go for a 2080 once the prices come down a bit. The 2080Ti isnt worth the additional money over the 2080 IMO.
 

Tyres O'Flaherty

Tyres O'Flaherty
A lot of you have echoed my thoguhts here: my current GPU is perfectly acceptable. The bang v. buck thing is minimal when considering the alternatives I listed and RT and DLSS are still in their relative infancy and asking for oodles of £££'s for the privilege.

Cheers!

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B1rdy

B1rdy
CMDR Carbo said:
I don’t quite understand why you would want to “upgrade” a 1000$ GFX card with a 350$ one that is at best 10% faster? Raytracing isn’t widely used right now and we have no idea when or if ED will use it.
BTW, I have the same card (980Ti) playing at 2560x1440 and the ED runs perfectly fine most of the time, with a few exceptions on planetary bases and guardian structures, but this has probably more to do wiith poor coding than the GPU.
The best upgrade for us would have been the 1080Ti, which still runs at par with a 2080, probably the card with the best longevity in recent years. If you have the itch to upgrade, I would go for a 2080 once the prices come down a bit. The 2080Ti isnt worth the additional money over the 2080 IMO.
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Exactly this and even if raytracing is becoming a thing an RTX 2060 will probably not deliver a suitable performance. Also, when buying a new card in the 250$+ range, go for at least 8GB video memory. Turing cards have a better texture compression, but that doesn't compensate the missing 2GB.
Also, when upgrading, I would at least aim for a 50% performance plus. That would be the (overpriced) 2080 or the Radeon 7 (too weak cooling) at the moment.
 

hems303

hems303
CMDR Carbo said:
I don’t quite understand why you would want to “upgrade” a 1000$ GFX card with a 350$ one that is at best 10% faster? Raytracing isn’t widely used right now and we have no idea when or if ED will use it.
BTW, I have the same card (980Ti) playing at 2560x1440 and the ED runs perfectly fine most of the time, with a few exceptions on planetary bases and guardian structures, but this has probably more to do wiith poor coding than the GPU.
The best upgrade for us would have been the 1080Ti, which still runs at par with a 2080, probably the card with the best longevity in recent years. If you have the itch to upgrade, I would go for a 2080 once the prices come down a bit. The 2080Ti isnt worth the additional money over the 2080 IMO.
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TOTALLY agree... I have the RTX2080 on a 34'' Ultrawide G-Sync (nVidia) monitor with FPS locked at 105 fps on all EDH ultra settings....well happy

(try to go for 8Gb GDDR and forget the Ti)

o7
 
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GeneralIdea1964

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I'm with the "why bother?" argument.
Your 980ti is more than good enough.
Mine only shows any strain when running in VR and even then you don't really notice except occasionally when you move head quickly and it has a moment catching up.

Also I upgraded an older pc with a gtx670 card and that now makes elite dangerous run pretty smoothly on an intel quad core 2 which is about 10 years old.

Save your pennies if you are only doing it for bragging rights. 😜
 

B1rdy

B1rdy
hems303 said:
(try to go for 8Gb GDDR and forget the Ti)
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To be fair, there are already games demanding more than 8GB at full details on the market. Therefore a 2080 is not a clear recommendation, but the 2080Ti is neither due to the pricing and the low performance plus compared to the 2080.
 

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
I keep feeling the need to replace my new-old GTX 770 (got it last year, second hand!) with something that doesn't hiccup when recording, and can run ED at 1080p maxed out at 60fps, in a ring, with the fancy shadows.
(Had to turn them off on my 770. Framerate drops to 25.. lol)

I don't have a lot of money. So options are limited. Lol
 

War Eagle

War Eagle
Tyres O'Flaherty said:
I couldn't find the right place to ask this so, if a mod is reading and judges it's better placed elsewhere, that'd be great :)

Currently have a GTX980ti running at 2560 x 1440 and it seems fine. But I have a hankering to upgrade - an itch in my geek gland if you will. The two cards that are interesting me are the GTX1660ti and the RTX2060. Given my main game is ED and I don't really buy any new stuff, which would you choose?

According to UserBenchmark, there's not an awful lot in it.

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Tyres O'Flaherty

Tyres O'Flaherty
Yes, I'll wait until a new gen of GPU's come's along I think :D

My CPU is an i7 5820k @4.4ghz along with 16gb RAM, a Samsung M2 860 Pro 500GB C: drive along with a 1TB SSD and a 3TB HDD, an SB Soundblaster Zx, a 27" Benq monitor and some other gubbins here and there so I think I'm good for now. The downside to my rig is the Corsair 900D case which, to be fair, is total overkill and a week in traction if I try and move it.
 

War Eagle

War Eagle
HP is just getting into gaming laptops, they bought out Vudoo along time ago but getting started here lately. Looks like they've dropped the price a little too.
 

marx

marx
Midian Cabal said:
[Vega 64] Do you play in VR?
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I used to use a Vega 64 for VR, with a Lenovo Explorer. (2880x1440, 90 Hz) Worked perfectly on VR High, VR Ultra would sometimes drop the framerate noticeably in busy stations. Never noticed any fan noise over the headphones. That was a Sapphire Nitro+ though, which is as good as it gets when it comes to cooling.
 
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