What GPU?

[B1rdy]

Technology is like a fast-moving locomotive. If you want to get on you just jump at some point. It doesn't matter when you jump because something is going to happen where you were after you jump and you won't be there to see it. Technology is going to keep moving forward and unless you were right on the precipice of some game-changing Market disrupting technology being introduced, just go with your gut feeling. I have a 1080Ti Founders Edition, I think it was made right there on Founders world to be honest. I wouldn't even think of updating but if I was where you are I might update to the latest and greatest but it would come with a complete PC update not just a GPU.

You should try to play on a computer that has a super-fast GPU to see if the graphics are so much better than yours to justify the cost. Otherwise you can buy some really cool virtual reality stuff and totally bypass the flat screen.

Since a 980Ti is able to render the game with maxed out settings, a faster card is only able to deliver more Fps. So the advantage might be even less noticable.

I agree VR is the future of gaming- it's that simple.

While VR is a great way to experience games, it is probably not replacing regular displays in the near future. Because some games don't take advantage of VR. Even if you compare the latest DooM's flat and VR version, you can see the VR version being awkward compared to the fast paced flat version.

 

[Rob At Work]

Wait.
Patience is a virtue.

 

[Shintai]

A 1660ti or 2060 is a minor upgrade to what you got. Same with Vega56/64, however Vega56/64 only makes sense if you want a featureless noisy space heater.

Want you want is likely a 2070 or 2080. Note that 1660ti supports VRS (Will add 10-15% in games with support like Wolfenstein, Civ6 etc), RTX series also supports DLSS and RT. DLSS is quite handy as well. Vega or future Navi supports none of this. If you want any alternative you are looking at Intels dGPU lineup in 2020.

 

[Schmack]

Wait.
Patience is a virtue.

Patience is a virgin so F that

 

[Rampant]

A 1660ti or 2060 is a minor upgrade to what you got. Same with Vega56/64, however Vega56/64 only makes sense if you want a featureless noisy space heater.

Want you want is likely a 2070 or 2080. Note that 1660ti supports VRS (Will add 10-15% in games with support like Wolfenstein, Civ6 etc), RTX series also supports DLSS and RT. DLSS is quite handy as well. Vega or future Navi supports none of this. If you want any alternative you are looking at Intels dGPU lineup in 2020.

Is there a chart that displays performance per £ (or $)??? Or is that the top one? = "Relative Performance"?

This would be the most germane to the discussion - the OP implied that he had a certain budget, so what performance could be had from that budget...
...fan noise and power consumption are lesser considerations than what performance a set budget could buy, is it not


Also, OP mentions specifically that it'd be primarily for Elite - does Elite use any of the acronyms you mentioned?

Cheerz

Mark H

 

[War Eagle]

I have a GTX 1070 8GB-DDR5 never heard the fans running.

 

[Rampant]

I have a GTX 1070 8GB-DDR5 never heard the fans running.

Yeah that's because the "manufacturer" or "seller" of your card (and the fan(s) on it) may well be different from the model tested (meaning it's a totally useless chart as far as I am able to logically deduce!)

 

[War Eagle]

Yeah that's because the "manufacturer" or "seller" of your card (and the fan(s) on it) may well be different from the model tested (meaning it's a totally useless chart as far as I am able to logically deduce!)

MY RIG IS ON FIRST PAGE OF THIS THREAD, IT'S A LAPTOP WITH 6 FANS IF i REMEMBER RIGHT AND VERY GOOD PIPING. HP OMEN 17T.

 

[Morbad]

Currently have a GTX980ti running at 2560 x 1440 and it seems fine. But I have a hankering to upgrade - an itch in my geek gland if you will. The two cards that are interesting me are the GTX1660ti and the RTX2060. Given my main game is ED and I don't really buy any new stuff, which would you choose?

Wait until July for the mainstream Navi-10 based parts from AMD and the subsequent price cuts to the RTX 2070 and 2080 (though probably not 2080 Ti as it still won't have any competition until the end of the year, possibly early 2020).

Game uses 60-80% GPU utilization when flying towards a planet (just quick numbers).

This means your frame rate is capped or you have a bottleneck somewhere other than the GPU.

With no cap/vsync and powerful enough supporting hardware, the GPU should essentially always be pegged at 100%.

I will wait till 2020 when new consoles are
comming...they will be standards for gpus...also ED will be facelifted again with that vlbig update in 2020

PCs are getting this architecture first, in the form of the RX 5700 series.

correct me if I'm wrong but, I don't think there are currently many/any? graphics cards with more than 8GB of onboard memory? or if there are then they have appeared within the last three months since I purchased my RTX2080 with it's 8GB GDDR

NVIDIA's GP102 (1080 Ti, Titan X Pascal, Titan XP) based parts all have at least 11GiB, as do the Titan V, 2080 Ti, and RTX Titan.

The Vega FE (a prosumer part) and Radeon VII have 16GiB.

However, 8GiB should be sufficient for the immediate future. A number of titles will allocate more than 8GiB, if it's available (I've seen ED use more than ten), but there are virtually none that see an appreciable benefit from this, in and of itself, at any playable settings.

 

[Shintai]

Wait until July for the mainstream Navi-10 based parts from AMD and the subsequent price cuts to the RTX 2070 and 2080 (though probably not 2080 Ti as it still won't have any competition until the end of the year, possibly early 2020).

Don't expect any price cuts due to Navi. 5700XT will likely be around 1660TI performance in older games and 1660 in more newer games. Cards that will use half the power and have more features. Also the rumoured prices are 399$ and 499$. in short they are going to try and sell you yet again, slower cards with much worse perf/watt and lacking lots of features for premium price.

AMD used Strange Brigade as the single only game, a heavily AMD sponsored game that is dead today. In that game a Radeon VII is close to a 2080TI, despite in average a Radeon 7 is closer to a 2070. AMD had trouble enough trying to place it at 2080 on their slides.

So lets use logic here, AMD says Navi is slower than Radeon 7. Radeon 7 is not even 10% faster than 2070. So how can Navi be 10% faster than 2070? PR magic!

 

[Shintai]

Is there a chart that displays performance per £ (or $)??? Or is that the top one? = "Relative Performance"?

This would be the most germane to the discussion - the OP implied that he had a certain budget, so what performance could be had from that budget...
...fan noise and power consumption are lesser considerations than what performance a set budget could buy, is it not


Also, OP mentions specifically that it'd be primarily for Elite - does Elite use any of the acronyms you mentioned?

Cheerz

Mark H

There is such a chart, but it´s largely useless. My IGP on my 6700K for example is pretty much unlimited value for $. But would you play Elite with it? Would you buy it as new?

I expect Elite to get DLSS and VRS support as a minimum over time. Perhaps RT too.

 

[Morbad]

Don't expect any price cuts due to Navi. 5700XT will likely be around 1660TI performance in older games and 1660 in more newer games.

Unless they have nothing to actually sell, which is unlikely for parts based on a mainstream die of a mature process, they aren't going to release Navi parts at less than competitive performance/dollar/watt.

Cards that will use half the power and have more features. Also the rumoured prices are 399$ and 499$. in short they are going to try and sell you yet again, slower cards with much worse perf/watt and lacking lots of features for premium price.

There isn't anything that suggests this. Navi should be much more efficient than GCN and AMD knows they are at a feature disadvantage. Whatever line up is announced later today is going to undercut current NVIDIA prices.

NVIDIA's refreshed lineup will likely take the place of their current mid-range to upper-mainstream cards, and drive down prices of existing stock.

AMD used Strange Brigade as the single only game, a heavily AMD sponsored game that is dead today. In that game a Radeon VII is close to a 2080TI, despite in average a Radeon 7 is closer to a 2070. AMD had trouble enough trying to place it at 2080 on their slides.

Yes, Strange Brigade performance is mostly irrelevant and certainly cherry picked.

So lets use logic here, AMD says Navi is slower than Radeon 7. Radeon 7 is not even 10% faster than 2070. So how can Navi be 10% faster than 2070? PR magic!

From what's been released so far, the Radeon VII should remain their flagship part. Little was said or implied beyond that, and it's not impossible that the top Navi part will be faster in some titles/scenarios and slower in others. The lower VRAM pool and reduced feature set of the new parts could keep the Radeon VII as the more expensive flagship even if it's not faster than the best (~$500 perhaps, and if it's not this fast, it won't be this expensive) Navi. Afterall, the Radeon VII is essentially a consumer rebrand of the Instinct MI50, while Navi is a consumer focused architecture.

We should find out more later today, but I think it questionable to assume that AMD will try to sell non-competitive parts when they don't have have to.

Regardless, even if AMD stumbles, with Navi is too slow or two expensive, there is still NVIDIA's preemptive refresh, which may well still result in lower prices for their upper mainstream parts, and my recommendation remains the same: If possible, wait until July, when both AMD and NVIDIA's cards are on the table.

 

[Crank Larson]

AMD used Strange Brigade as the single only game, a heavily AMD sponsored game that is dead today. In that game a Radeon VII is close to a 2080TI, despite in average a Radeon 7 is closer to a 2070. AMD had trouble enough trying to place it at 2080 on their slides.

But most games are optimised for NVidia, which is why NVidia does better generally. It isn't necessarily the tech, but how the game was written. Of course, most games being optimised for NVidia rather than AMD does mean that you may be better getting an NVidia card for that reason.

So lets use logic here, AMD says Navi is slower than Radeon 7. Radeon 7 is not even 10% faster than 2070. So how can Navi be 10% faster than 2070? PR magic!

Because the new NAVI cards are based on 7nm architecture.

 

[Lobey]

2070 rtx is the card I'd recommend in the "premium" segment right now .

 

[Garand1987]

As others have said although the 1660ti is a fine card the 2060 is going to be the better performer and will remain relevant longer. BUT, as another pointed out leaks and rumors seem to suggest that Nvidia is going to give the RTX cards a little face lift and release upgraded RTX "Super" cards which will likely push down the prices of current RTX cards to make them compete more with the AMD cards. So id wait just a little and see what happens. might be able to save yourself a bit o moolah.

 

[rrobes]

It's an older card now, but my NVidia GTX1070 has been a dream. The cooling fans are on idle speed at most w/ Ultra settings.

I've had bad luck w/ AMD cards, the NVidia ones have been fine. Wouldn't hesitate buying another one, but there's no need for an upgrade.

 

[Morbad]

More information on Navi was released at E3 today.

Looks like the 5700 XT will hard launch the 7th of July for $449. According to AMD it's generally faster than the RX 2070 and even if we operate under the assumption they are generally selecting titles to make their part look as competitive as possible, it should still be a good match. This is why NVIDIA has a refresh coming.

There is also a 5700 XT 50th anniversary edition for $499, but it looks like just a 5700 XT with slightly higher clocks.

But most games are optimised for NVidia, which is why NVidia does better generally. It isn't necessarily the tech, but how the game was written.

Less to do with games being optimized for NVIDIA than the fact that NVIDIA has had near pure gaming architectures since Maxwell and AMD has not, until Navi. There have been a few notable cases of favoritism, and NVIDIA certainly pushes their proprietary features harder than AMD, but by and large the faster parts are just the faster parts.