What is greifing.

[xkjacob]

A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways.

FD may, if they haven't already, post up something to outline that.

Here are some actions that are not greifing.
- interdicting and killing you in open.
- killing you while you mine in an RES.
- killing you in a conflict zone.
- killing you when you are not wanted and have no cargo.
- ramming you after initiating combat.
- dropping out the bottom for a commodity.

Here are some things that are.
- ramming you, especially when mail slotting
- using cheats while playing to have an unfair advantage while playing.
- repeatedly verbally harassing (hint use ignore function)
- interdicting you repeatedly. (There is a cool down of course, so this may not be an issue)
- interdicting you, telling you to release your cargo then making you fly through your cargo to rub your ships face in it because your ship is a bad bad ship look what it has done to pretty outer space.

So, if you post saying "I haz the beh grief" and your description of greifing matches the activities or behaviors of NPCs.. Then you were not griefed. You were destroyed via valid game play design.

If you want greater consequences for you being killed speak up, but greifing in itself is a mixture of exploit meets harassment or unintended feature meets repetition.
General rule of thumb, if an NPC can do it, it isn't greifing.

 

[kapitankev]

Of your examples I'd only count the docking/ramming as griefing. The dock is sanctuary.

 

[Samosa]

What is griefing.

Baby don't hurt me.

 

[xkjacob]

Of your examples I'd only count the docking/ramming as griefing. The dock is sanctuary.

Depends on FD harassment policy.
Imagine if 4 people teamed up and perpetually interdicted you, not to kill you, just to harass you.
That may breach FD harassment policies.
Also excessively demanding action from your prey may breach harassment policy for FD.
Those may be grey areas.

 

[30K]

A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways.

FD may, if they haven't already, post up something to outline that.

Here are some actions that are not greifing.
- interdicting and killing you in open.
- killing you while you mine in an RES.
- killing you in a conflict zone.
- killing you when you are not wanted and have no cargo.
- ramming you after initiating combat.
- dropping out the bottom for a commodity.

Here are some things that are.
- ramming you, especially when mail slotting
- using cheats while playing to have an unfair advantage while playing.
- repeatedly verbally harassing (hint use ignore function)
- interdicting you repeatedly. (There is a cool down of course, so this may not be an issue)
- interdicting you, telling you to release your cargo then making you fly through your cargo to rub your ships face in it because your ship is a bad bad ship look what it has done to pretty outer space.

So, if you post saying "I haz the beh grief" and your description of greifing matches the activities or behaviors of NPCs.. Then you were not griefed. You were destroyed via valid game play design.

If you want greater consequences for you being killed speak up, but greifing in itself is a mixture of exploit meets harassment or unintended feature meets repetition.
General rule of thumb, if an NPC can do it, it isn't greifing.

You forgot to add, "In my opinion"

 

[Extreme_One]

There does seem to be many people, on this forum, that consider having being "killed for no reason" is the same as having been the victim of griefing.

They then go on to explain that "this isn't a PVP game, but a game with PVP elements" as if that means they should expect to play in Open without the possibility that someone might fancy coming along and destroying them, for no other reason than the fact that they can.

Those people should play in Solo IMO.

 

[xkjacob]

You forgot to add, "In my opinion"

That is redundant.

 

[StayFrosty]

Here are some things that are.

Okay.

- ramming you, especially when mail slotting

Pay attention to your surroundings. I've rammed players before killing them before, makes the task easier.

- using cheats while playing to have an unfair advantage while playing.

That's cheating, it's never okay in any condition, and doesn't exactly qualify as griefing anyway.

- repeatedly verbally harassing (hint use ignore function)

That's not griefing either, and it's never okay either.

- interdicting you repeatedly. (There is a cool down of course, so this may not be an issue)

Now we're getting somewhere. This is indeed purely annoying and a waste of time.

- interdicting you, telling you to release your cargo then making you fly through your cargo to rub your ships face in it because your ship is a bad bad ship look what it has done to pretty outer space.

What?

 

[vjek]

What is griefing, technically? Purely the opinion of the victim.

What is griefing, legally? Whatever the service provider says it is.

IMHO, griefing is when one player, unsolicited, negatively affects the gameplay experience of another player. Yep, it's vague, broad, and covers a huge range of actions. Which is why all player to player interactions should be consensual and/or insulated via NPC's. That would be a game everyone would play.

 

[xkjacob]

Okay.

Pay attention to your surroundings. I've rammed players before killing them before, makes the task easier.
That's cheating, it's never okay in any condition, and doesn't exactly qualify as griefing anyway.
That's not griefing either, and it's never okay either.
Now we're getting somewhere. This is indeed purely annoying and a waste of time.
What?

Greifing is a combination of unintended functionality meets repitition that creates an environment of harassment.

When you ram someone and kill them it is not a crime. That is an unintended functionality. It is a crime, but intentionally is not enforced, and ramming people to destroy them with no consequence is greifing. It is necessary to engage combat first, then begin ramming as the game is currently designed. Ie your action must be flagged aggressor first, then you may ram.

Verbal harassment is not using the communication methods present in the game they way they are intended and breach the EULA. that is how verbal harassment is greifing. Unintended functionality + breach of EULA = greifing.

Cheating falls under the same equation, breaching the EULA.

the last example shows,potentially, a breach of the EULA harassment policy.

Any action you do that breaches the EULA and interacts negatively on other players is greifing.

 

[Extreme_One]

... Which is why all player to player interactions should be consensual

IMO the very fact of choosing to play in Open as opposed to Solo means you have consented to player to player interactions.

... and/or insulated via NPC's. ..

Not sure what you mean by that.

 

[xkjacob]

What is griefing, technically? Purely the opinion of the victim.

What is griefing, legally? Whatever the service provider says it is.

IMHO, griefing is when one player, unsolicited, negatively affects the gameplay experience of another player. Yep, it's vague, broad, and covers a huge range of actions. Which is why all player to player interactions should be consensual and/or insulated via NPC's. That would be a game everyone would play.

Greifing is defined in my first paragraph.
The enforcement of what is greifing in ED is layed out in the EULA. It isn't vague or broad it is specific. The EULA outlines product intentionality and what harassment it. They outline how they intend you to use the product and what is behavior that breaches the EULA. This isn't a great mystery. We've had 30(?) Years of MMOs to figure this out.

 

[GlyphGryph]

What is griefing

Baby don't hurt me.

Don't hurt me, no more.

 

[Sandmann]

Griefing is gaming behaviour that is not in keeping with the intended "spirit" of the game, and that is intended to cause distress to other players who are playing within the intended "spirit" of the game. The fact that there's no specific rule against a given behaviour, or that gaming mechanisms do not explicitly prevent it are not evidence that it was an intended part of the game.

 

[Flashgordon83]

Greifing is defined in my first paragraph.
The enforcement of what is greifing in ED is layed out in the EULA. It isn't vague or broad it is specific. The EULA outlines product intentionality and what harassment it. They outline how they intend you to use the product and what is behavior that breaches the EULA. This isn't a great mystery. We've had 30(?) Years of MMOs to figure this out.

Defined by you. lol.

 

[xkjacob]

Defined by you. lol.

Lol
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer
No. Not defined by me.
Seriously you could have googled that to verify.

 

[Bomba Luigi]

Its pretty much everything and nothing. Its some sort of cousin of marketing buzzwords, people use it all the Time but it doesn't really mean anything other then what you want it to mean.

 

[Flashgordon83]

Lol
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer
No. Not defined by me.
Seriously you could have googled that to verify.

Oh wow. A Wikipage. You truly won me over.

 

[xkjacob]

Griefing is gaming behaviour that is not in keeping with the intended "spirit" of the game, and that is intended to cause distress to other players who are playing within the intended "spirit" of the game. The fact that there's no specific rule against a given behaviour, or that gaming mechanisms do not explicitly prevent it are not evidence that it was an intended part of the game.

That is discussed in the EULA.
Ever read it?
Magistificating the topic is not helpful.
Also, specific deletirious behavior is discussed on the forums.
Just like IRL you must seek the law out. Ignorance is not an excuse.
However, the law is knowable within acceptable ranges.

 

[Sandmann]

That is discussed in the EULA.
Ever read it?
Magistificating the topic is not helpful.
Also, specific deletirious behavior is discussed on the forums.
Just like IRL you must seek the law out. Ignorance is not an excuse.
However, the law is knowable within acceptable ranges.

You didn't ask me to tell you what it said in the EULA. The topic simply asked me to define griefing so I gave you my definition. And there's no such word as "Magistificating". Be clear in your requests or expect random responses.