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"The only people against it...".
Those were your words right? Someone not doing it means those words are wrong.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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Thats right. Especially the people here that claim to play in open during those times.
Im not buying the nonsense. No one is. Not even Sandro. Thats why they want to limit PP stuff to open only. Have for quite sometime. Second proposal means jack. A lot of people spoke up against that too.
No. You're selling it.
Again, you don't get to determine why I am against it. Not your call.
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At least you knew where you stood with Doris Day.
LOL!
I am sure in the end everyone will be singing this:
[video=youtube;ru6d318UlOQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru6d318UlOQ[/video]
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Has it occurred to anyone that Fdev could say that the majority of players play in open on a tuesday and unless they actually publish the figures and the source, we are none the wiser. We can only take it on faith they are telling the truth.
All the arguing to and for the whole thing seems kinda pointless, FDev will make the game they want, always has been the same, chuck in the odd bit here and there saying "we've listened to the players and added xxx" gives the illusion we have both influence and a say.
All the arguing to and for the whole thing seems kinda pointless, FDev will make the game they want, always has been the same, chuck in the odd bit here and there saying "we've listened to the players and added xxx" gives the illusion we have both influence and a say.
I actually felt the same way. Then I decided to run the numbers, and see how well Sandro's statement reflected my experiences at the recent Pleiades CGs. Granted, there are a lot of assumptions made, and little raw data, but I was a bit surprised that the numbers actually matched my experiences, despite that two key assumptions were: that Sandro wasn't making a "technically correct" statement, but one that could be taken at face value, and that given the way Frontier has stated that instancing worked, about 2/3rds of all players aren't very likely to be instanced with me.
So now I'm confident that when Sandro said a signficiant majority of players play in Open, he genuinely meant that for the entire player base, a significant majority of the time is spent in Open. It also means that for a significant majority of players, as long as they stay out of CGs during prime time, they might as well be playing in Solo.
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That’s good to know that “real” users experience matches what FDev advertised, via Sandro. I did always want to assume that would be the case, but having worked over the years with several software companies that regularly Cooked the statistics books, and a few other instances where what was advertised was not what was actually the case, always seems to make me cautious when it comes seeing such data. I’m glad in this case it seems to be honest. Fair play to FDev.
TheMegaTurnip
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So much of this game is based around variable content. One day youre out killing faction NPC's like the last week and a player finds you and kills you. PvE becoming PvP. Or two explorers having just scanned the same rare world race back to turn in the data in competition with one another. PvE gameplay taking on a PvP element.
PvE content already is MANDATORY. All PvPers have done thier grind, done arguably the most in terms of in game completion and yet are the scum? No fella. It's you folks who can't take a small hit to your ego in game are the ones in the wrong here.
This is a variable game, the only content that is inherently PvE is mission running. Everything else changes depending on player input and thats one of the best things about the game. This constant division literally bourne out of people's ego being dented in a game would be laugable if the Dev's treated it with the absolute disdain it deserves.
Yes the penalties are harsh for death, I agree mission payouts need to change or powerplay needs to provide reasonable rebuy discounts, but claming the sect of the community who have to commit to gameplay they find hugely dull to get to the stage they can do what they want are "runining the game" is arrogant.
The PvP community also interacts with the variable systems in a much more visible way, if powerplay was pushed to open only, the PvE community would do the same. Doing it behind closed doors (Solo/Pg) is NOT direct interaction with these systems. Only so much as to force the outcome on the rest of the community depending on where you go and what you do.
To beleive you have the right to manipulate something that has the potential to effect the community as a whole without being in with the community you are affecting is also arrogant beond belief.
Shame. Shame on those to up themselves to lose once or twice in a game, WITH GUNS IN IT NO LESS.
PvE content already is MANDATORY. All PvPers have done thier grind, done arguably the most in terms of in game completion and yet are the scum? No fella. It's you folks who can't take a small hit to your ego in game are the ones in the wrong here.
This is a variable game, the only content that is inherently PvE is mission running. Everything else changes depending on player input and thats one of the best things about the game. This constant division literally bourne out of people's ego being dented in a game would be laugable if the Dev's treated it with the absolute disdain it deserves.
Yes the penalties are harsh for death, I agree mission payouts need to change or powerplay needs to provide reasonable rebuy discounts, but claming the sect of the community who have to commit to gameplay they find hugely dull to get to the stage they can do what they want are "runining the game" is arrogant.
The PvP community also interacts with the variable systems in a much more visible way, if powerplay was pushed to open only, the PvE community would do the same. Doing it behind closed doors (Solo/Pg) is NOT direct interaction with these systems. Only so much as to force the outcome on the rest of the community depending on where you go and what you do.
To beleive you have the right to manipulate something that has the potential to effect the community as a whole without being in with the community you are affecting is also arrogant beond belief.
Shame. Shame on those to up themselves to lose once or twice in a game, WITH GUNS IN IT NO LESS.
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You don't explore, do you?
And then he goes
Which isn't divisive at all.
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TheMegaTurnip
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Lol, If thats all you got mate, that says it all. They are facts. Not opinions.
Something this community really seems to struggle with.
In fact 90% of the comments on these posts about changes to the modes are agenda ridden trash with no real substance so PLEASE. Step up your collective game.
Something this community really seems to struggle with.
In fact 90% of the comments on these posts about changes to the modes are agenda ridden trash with no real substance so PLEASE. Step up your collective game.
TheMegaTurnip
Banned
No bloody wonder the Dev's struggle.
Indeed. I am off the opinion that the kind of sentiment you are displaying is a whole lot more divisive than some CMDR playing in solo.
Since you are also part of the community, I tend to agree here.
90% eh? Is that fact as well?
TheMegaTurnip
Banned
So no actual solid points? Just trying to get a rise?
Yawn. I rest my case.
Jesus wept..
Yawn. I rest my case.
Jesus wept..
Here ... point:
That's my point. I'm not trying to get a rise. If you compare your posts with mine, you'll find a lot less provocative statements in mine.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
You can explain it until you're blue in the face. I did it for about 6 months. Nothing but trying to get my point across.
Trust me they get it. You can go out of your way to prove things happen with videos. Literally undeniable proof that the devs can check themselves. And they will say things were staged or fabricated.
The people you are having a hard time with here actively fight against this intentionally. They have put a lot of time trying to stop this progression.
If you look back at Jockeys wall. You can do 30 mins worth of research. You will see the same people fighting against it over the years. The same 7-12 people you will run into here. Even some mods were in on it. The same people made like 10+ posts in the focused feedback. Threatening to sue, or not buy paint packs anymore or whatever.
For the longest time Fdev got a lot of feedback from these forums and not a lot of other places. People were ran off. They tried to do it to me.
So I stayed.
I wish you all the luck. Its pretty frustrating.
Even with the devs directly telling them what their intentions were. They fought against it. They even use what the devs say and twist it.
For example powerplay was made for consensual PVP. These guys think it means, well if you want to log into open to do it.
They know what they are doing. They will report you if you call them out on it.
I expect this post I am making now to be reported as well.
Because these guys cant handle not only being wrong. But they cant handle people seeing through their nonsense either.
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I never tried to run you or anyone off.
Who would I be arguing with if we all agreed?
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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In this situation. Disagreeing here is like saying the earth is flat. You're perfectly entitled to an opinion.
But the facts have been on everyones door step for years. People cherry picked what they wanted to hear.
And didnt actually listen.
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But I never tried to run you or anyone off.
Who would I be arguing with if we all agreed?
If I felt that PPOO would make changes that would result in shutting up the PVP crowd, by giving them SOLUTIONS to their problems I would, at a minimum, stay quiet on the issue.
But, in light of the fact that most players play in Open..and the largest complaint is that no one can see PP participants because they 'all play in Private/solo'....it is now obvious the problem is not 'where' people play, but the matchmaking and instancing does not allow for more than what we are seeing.
The devs have also clearly stated that this issue is not improving, so PPOO is some kind of weird PVP rallying cry, in which they will fail to see improvements on gameplay and interaction....it is highly likely that in the case of PPOO, PP itself becomes a wasteland as fewer people will be involved and those that are involved will have to do more work.
The idea that loadouts will change is also logically silly because your statistical chance of interference is the same...so the smart money just runs as they do, currently, and takes their expected losses.
Finally, regardless of all the community support for this change, listening to Sandro, from the original post...and the latest in the stream...it does not appear to be a slam dunk for the change....which in the end, means that someone is going to be quite angry, regardless of the final decision...
As I posted to 90's above, Sandro is playing a melody that sounds great for the Open only crowd...but the lyrics are saying something different.
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