What is the point of Prospector drones?

I honestly don't understand what the point is with these things?

You can just fly next to a rock, zap it with mining lasers and you know what's coming out.

So why waste cargo space (and indirectly fuel due to added mass) carrying Prospector Limpets when they have no practical use (besides saving what... the hassle of flying 1500m and zapping a rock?).

So do they have some hidden feature I am unaware of?
 
I started using them on my first mining trip - then I ditched them.
The only thing useful is when your cargo hold is nearly full, you can get rid of the limpets without the collectors trying to re-collect the abandoned cargo.

Plus they are currently bugged, and all too often launching a limpet will destroy the newest (not the oldest) limpet (at least with C3 - 2 drone control)
 
I was thinking the same thing originally...

However, it's a lot faster if you get a high-rated one (that gives you 4 prospectors at once) to pump them into the asteroids and check the composition.

Each asteroid can have up to 4 different materials within it and there's no guarantee of getting the most abundant one with your first shot. If you've got collector drones out, you don't want to have them constantly collecting crappy low-value minerals.

It takes an awful lot of internal compartments to have everything you need as a miner if you use prospectors drones though (8, I would say).
 
I use prospectors. Three at a time to find the next best rock. Then destroy them by switching the controller module off then on again. I find my cargo has a lot less scrap metal in it. It would be nice if they had an aiming reticule.
 
Still seems like a waste of credits to me, not to mention cargo which would be better suited holding collector drones if anything.

I also don't understand why the drones have to become destroyed after their timer expires. Why not simply raise the price of the drones, make them take up the same amount of cargo space, but never wear out. Instead, add fuel and repair (wear and tear) cost on the drones?

Seems silly to me to carry 40 tonnes of drones, knowing it will become 40 tonnes of scrap metal. Makes no sense.

Anyways, thanks for feedback.
 
To each their own, so if you don't find them useful, totally cool. And also caveat that I'm a beginner miner too and learned a lot from the mine for dummies megathread

That said though, I've just spent ~6 hours in two long sessions of mining with prospectors and gotta say, they are really useful - if you use em right.

I'm in 160 ton cargo configured Python, 9 bin refinery, 6 collector drones and initially had 3 prospector controller but ditched it for the lowest 1 prospector controller

Even with 6 collectors, your primary limiting reagent on speeding up mining will be sitting there for at least 10-20 seconds while your drones collect all the chunks up. You really can't move or ores will be destroyed on return, so basically that's when I find it is perfect time to fire off a prospector. So what I do is:

1. thrust toward asteroid to start mining - can use a prospector or not for this first asteroid

2. after mining laser blasting and unleashing my collector drones (all 12 min rated), as I said even with 6 collectors you have to sit still for decent interval of time - some of that time is spent micromanaging your refinery - but there's plenty of time to switch to cockpit view - rotate pitch or yaw to line up with next asteroid short distance over and fire off a prospector.

usually, I can fire off 2 prospectors (sequentially - not concurrently - honestly the only part I disagree re: mining guide is I find more than 1 prospector useless - they self destruct in weird times and the cargo hatch goes crazy with all sorts of false messages re: cargo scoop not open, closes it for you, opens it, I would personally avoid more than 1 prospector, but 1 prospector is awesome.

anyway - while your collector drones in that short interval of time they are making 2-3 trips to grab all the chunks (and again, that's 2-3 collector trips despite me cramming in and using 6 collector drones at a time), fire 1 prospector at closest asteroid you plan mining next. It takes ~6-7 sec for the prospector to get there and give you reading - just target it using normal T command, no need to switch to left pane. If the reading is great stuff - palladium, osmium, then you know soon as your last collector is finished, you can head to that asteroid.

but like I said, I have time to fire off usually at least 2 prospectors during my wait for collector drones to finish - so if that 1st prospector scanned asteroid is crap - none of the top 3-4 metals, then just fire off another prospector at another asteroid next to it. You will usually have the reading on that back just as you are finishing last management of refinery and last collector comes in.

So that's about it - that 1 prospector lets me have very useful time saving intel whether to even bother with the next asteroid or not - and the limpets are super cheap.

I pack the ~20% with a little more cushion of collectors recommended in mining guide, so for my 160 ton python cargo hold, I pack ~40 limpets to be used as collectors, and then cram the rest of the entire hold with max limpets - all 160 tons filled with 160 limpets, because I will fire off a ton of prospectors.

I think mining can be just fine if you want to use the blast rock, target chunk ,see if it is kinda decent, then mine or move on, so no prospector needed.

But technically, since we are just sitting there for short interval between collectors returning with chunks, using a prospector at that point does save you a good deal of time ignoring non-top 3-4 metal asteroids and only spend time mining / collecting on the good ones.
 
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I suspect it will depend on ship size, in the Cobra it would be a waste of cargo space to carry prospectors (TBH I think with the new mechanics the Cobra is a bit small for mining). If you have loads of cargo space and time is your limiting factor maybe they become useful? Not tried them myself...maybe I should re-fit my Clipper to find out?
 
I suspect it will depend on ship size, in the Cobra it would be a waste of cargo space to carry prospectors (TBH I think with the new mechanics the Cobra is a bit small for mining). If you have loads of cargo space and time is your limiting factor maybe they become useful? Not tried them myself...maybe I should re-fit my Clipper to find out?

My opinion is that most our time is spent mining, not in the time spent running back and forth to unload, so for ship clipper size, it's to your advantage to use prospectors because all you give up is 1 class 1/2 slot (read my post above why I think using multi-prospector controllers are kinda useless - so all you need is the single-prospector controller)

but even if you gave up a class 3 slot and used a multi-prospector controller, you are only giving up 8 tons of cargo - the rest of the cargo people talk about in terms of filling up with limpets are so dirt cheap that at worst, if you start filling up with metals/ore faster than you use up the limpets, just power down your controller module and jettison some extra limpets (power down auto suicides all active limpets so they won't pick up the cargo limpets you just jettison)

for an 8 ton loss in cargo that frankly imo doesn't make much difference because if you head back home with 8 tons less mining metals, that just means you can be back on mining station faster - like i said, the CR made in mining doesn't take that much a hit for the runs back and forth unless you pick a really long distance path between pristine metallic place and whatever tech and refinery you are dumping the goods.

so I guess rule of thumb is - if you are type of miner that keeps everything - then I guess prospectors aren't that useful. but if you are miner type that sneers at the cheap stuff and vents it fast as you get it, and only keep the top 9 (or 10) metals - then prospectors are gold. You don't waste time mining an asteroid with low yield that you would just vent anyways, or for the ppl that do quick laser - check chunks to see what kind - you still save a decent amount of time because as I said in my post - you are at a daed standstill for every portion of mining time, waiting for collectors to come back - that's when firing off a prospector lets you know if that next asteroid over is a waste of time or not
 
Yes, I tried the prospector drones, I'm not sure what advantage they have over just blasting the roid and then checking the ores in target? So I sold them and just blast the roids now. I wish there was an option to tell your refinery to vent say Indite and next time it comes in the scoop just vent it without asking me again!As it gets very time consuming working the refinery in manualmatic mode!
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Oh and having used the Collector drones now they are great (when they behave and dont die prematurely!) I have picked up the odd fragment in the old fashioned way when I ran out of collectors and it's so fiddly i can't believe someone actually designed the game to be played that way!
 
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I made 1.8 million using those drones this weekend on one trip. Not all was from mining but a good chunk was.

They have a few bugs, but are quite handy in fetching fragments.
 
I am a professional miner and I use them. All I do in elite is mining (well almost) Simce 1.3 came out with the drones I made 80 million which was enough to upgrade from a Mining ASP to a mining python.
I don't understand how anyone with reasonable cargo space cant find the benefit in them. In the asp I would load up all 64T with drones, fly out to a res, fire off 5 or so prospectors at the local group to survey and make some room. Then drop 2 collectors and pick the best rocks. Then cruise through the field sampling further rocks with the prospectors and closer ones with the laser at the same time. Sampling is the key to finding the good stuff.
Now after 3 weeks I have the mining python and 128t cargo space loving the prospectors.

they need to be quicker and fix the bugs that stop you from launching more than 1 without the wrong one expiring.
They motivated me to move off my mining ASP
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I am a professional miner and I use them. All I do in elite is mining (well almost) Simce 1.3 came out with the drones I made 80 million which was enough to upgrade from a Mining ASP to a mining python.
I don't understand how anyone with reasonable cargo space cant find the benefit in them. In the asp I would load up all 64T with drones, fly out to a res, fire off 5 or so prospectors at the local group to survey and make some room. Then drop 2 collectors and pick the best rocks. Then cruise through the field sampling further rocks with the prospectors and closer ones with the laser at the same time. Sampling is the key to finding the good stuff.
Now after 3 weeks I have the mining python and 128t cargo space loving the prospectors.

they need to be quicker and fix the bugs that stop you from launching more than 1 without the wrong one expiring.
They motivated me to move off my mining ASP
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agree with all you said except one part - reason many ppl ignore the prospector is because they sincerely believe they can 'find the good stuff' without it - which is true. I've done mining without prospectors and you still find the good stuff.

the key point you and I are both making is that prospectors let you save time and fine the best of the good stuff much faster since you don't waste time on asteroids that have low yields or low composition of the non-top metals.

in a weird way, because you can still readily find the good metals without prospectors, i think that's why people ignore them, without realizing that only if they had them, they'd find and make so much more because of saved time.
 
Iirc one of the devs mentioned on reddit that using a prospector increases the odds of finding an extra mineral/metal in an asteroid.
 
I'm not sure if a scanner would work because the rocks are not selectable. The game seems to require you to touch the roids with something. Maybe a long range (6km) laser that tells you what it's hitting (but does no damage).
 
In my experience mining, I have come across this following general scenario multiple times.

I fire my prospector into a roid, it reads 54% painite, 12% indite and 5% gallite. I fire my mining lasers and check the first 2 chunks that come off, BOTH consisting of low % indite and gallite, 3rd chunk and on contain high % painite. If I had not used a prospector, I would have flown away thinking the roid was crap.

If anyone mines without using a prospector, you are potentially flying away from the "Motherlode" asteroids. Unless you are going to blast off 4 chunks from every roid.
 
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