What Species Do You Think Will Have Lowered Deep Diving Requirements?

[NZFanatic]

As it says in the title. Rather than what you're hoping for, what animals do you genuinely think will make the cut?

I expect the otter, caiman, and beaver to have the 2m depth, as well as the big cats. I'm not sure about the bears. I don't think they'll reduce it for the penguins or seal, though.

 

[Aramar]

I only expect it for the caimans, otters and beavers.

I think cats and bears will remain 4 meters. Same for seals and sea lions.

Regarding the penguins, they might be reduced to 3 meters.

Not sure about the gharial, croc and gator.

 

[ralphthestick]

Caimans and beavers for sure 2m. I hope otters as well but, given that they are on the larger side, maybe they'll only go down to 3m.

African penguins might go to 2m, and kings to 3m?

Given that the bears have somewhat limited underwater animations (understandably), and cats were presumably being worked on in tandem with the reduction of diving requirements, I wouldn't be surprised if they both see a reduction too.
I'm also unsure about the larger crocodilians - they are all quite slow swimmers and fairly limited in their animations, so maybe they could feasibly see a reduction too.

Basically, I reckon only seals and sea lions will stay at 4m.

 

[Swjosdotschka]

I'm afraid to have my hopes up, so I'd say beavers and cats only.
I WISH they reduce it for the caiman and the african penguins, but I'm not 100% sure if they really touched older animals. The giant otter remains 4 m, I think. IF we ever get the asian small clawed, they might require 2 meter, as they are much smaller and might not have as tremendous hit boxes as the giant otter has with one spin.

 

[FoxyDee]

I am thinking
2 m - caimans, giant otters, beavers
3 m - both penguin species and maybe cats
4 m - seals, sea lions, bears and larger crocodillians

 

[Bearcat9948]

I am thinking
2 m - caimans, giant otters, beavers
3 m - both penguin species and maybe cats
4 m - seals, sea lions, bears and larger crocodillians

I'd be quite happy with this!

 

[NZFanatic]

I don't think the penguins will be reduced. AFAIK 4m of depth is best practice for them in real zoos (both species) so I don't see Frontier deviating from that.

 

[peafowl]

Do we have a list of current ones with deep diving? I dont remember what animals have it already lol

 

[NZFanatic]

Do we have a list of current ones with deep diving? I dont remember what animals have it already lol

Off the top of my head;

- Grey seal.
- King penguin.
- Giant otter.
- African penguin.
- Cuvier's dwarf caiman.
- Saltwater crocodile.
- Gharial.
- Grizzly bear.
- Polar bear.
- Formosan bear.
- Sun bear.

Presumed;
- California sea lion.
- American alligator.
- American beaver.
- Bengal tiger.
- Siberian tiger.
- Jaguar.

Possibly;
- Moose.

 

[SotF]

I'm kind of hoping that the Hippos get some variation of it, while they don't swim, their movement is something I'd love to see it with.

 

[NZFanatic]

I'm kind of hoping that the Hippos get some variation of it, while they don't swim, their movement is something I'd love to see it with.

Same here, but at least they don't have a required depth.

Still, it would be nice to see them get some more water-based animations beyond just walking to the bottom.

 

[Cocolori]

Ok possibly very controversial take here. I hope that the bears and big cats stay at 3m minimum and would be happy if they were at 4m along with seals.

Why? Most of them, even the ones that like to swim, don't dive regularly unless they are being lured by food. I don't really want my cats or bears diving in my shallower ponds and lakes where I haven't designed the exhibit with them diving in mind. I think it would look really odd unlike with semi-marine animals that are equally comfortable in both environments. I haven't put any deeper pools in my zoos for any bears except the polar bear because in most zoo environments they are not encouraging diving. I'll be a bit grumpy if my tigers suddenly start sticking their heads underwater in my relatively shallow pond just cos they can.

Just my thoughts!

 

[ralphthestick]

Ok possibly very controversial take here. I hope that the bears and big cats stay at 3m minimum and would be happy if they were at 4m along with seals.

Why? Most of them, even the ones that like to swim, don't dive regularly unless they are being lured by food. I don't really want my cats or bears diving in my shallower ponds and lakes where I haven't designed the exhibit with them diving in mind. I think it would look really odd unlike with semi-marine animals that are equally comfortable in both environments. I haven't put any deeper pools in my zoos for any bears except the polar bear because in most zoo environments they are not encouraging diving. I'll be a bit grumpy if my tigers suddenly start sticking their heads underwater in my relatively shallow pond just cos they can.

Just my thoughts!

Interesting, I think the exact opposite! I think seeing a bear doing forward crawl down to the bottom of a massive tank of water looks weird, but it would look a lot less weird if they were submerging themselves in just enough water to cover them. I understand the point though - my hope had been that bears and cats would dive to use the underwater feeder, but wouldn't dive 'just because' (polar bear excluded).

 

[paul78]

That’s kind of the way I’ve always looked at it also. Truth is in the wild if not food motivated you would never see these animals do this. Don’t get me wrong I’m still happy to have this feature but definitely some truth to that. Only polar bears exhibit this behavior in captivity without a need for food. So most of my exhibits will stay normal to cut out this feature most of the time.

 

[Cocolori]

Interesting, I think the exact opposite! I think seeing a bear doing forward crawl down to the bottom of a massive tank of water looks weird, but it would look a lot less weird if they were submerging themselves in just enough water to cover them. I understand the point though - my hope had been that bears and cats would dive to use the underwater feeder, but wouldn't dive 'just because' (polar bear excluded).

Equally valid! I just think the way they turn in the water currently would look odd in a smaller depth area but agree that I hope they are less inclined to dive than a lot of the others or it could get a bit mad!

 

[DrBurrito]

I don't think the penguins will be reduced. AFAIK 4m of depth is best practice for them in real zoos (both species) so I don't see Frontier deviating from that.

I wish welfare requirements and being able to physically dive (animation-wise) weren't interconnected in the first place. You could still achieve the same thing through welfare.

Having chicken sized animals not being able to dive in 3 meter deep water looks odd immersion-wise. The system should have been hitbox-based, like all other movement systems in the game. That way you could have dwarf caimans submerging in 20-30 cm of water.

Using this logic you can still have low welfare for animals that require deeper water, without compromising animations/immersion.

 

[yoav_r]

As it says in the title. Rather than what you're hoping for, what animals do you genuinely think will make the cut?

I expect the otter, caiman, and beaver to have the 2m depth, as well as the big cats. I'm not sure about the bears. I don't think they'll reduce it for the penguins or seal, though.

2m - caimans, otters, african penguins
3m - alligators, king penguin
4m - anything else

 

[Aidan635]

(out of all of the deep swimming animals in the game, I'm assuming the beaver and alligator will have deep swimming, I think the Moose will swim but not deep dive)

Cuvier's Dwarf Caiman - 2m
Giant Otter - 2m
American Beaver - 2m

American Alligator - 3m
Saltwater Crocodile - 3m
African Penguin - 3m
Gharial - 3m
All Big Cats and Bears - 3m

Polar Bear - 4m
King Penguin - 4m
Gray Seal - 4m
California Sea Lion - 4m

Even a 1m change makes a big difference!

 

[SotF]

Interesting, I think the exact opposite! I think seeing a bear doing forward crawl down to the bottom of a massive tank of water looks weird, but it would look a lot less weird if they were submerging themselves in just enough water to cover them. I understand the point though - my hope had been that bears and cats would dive to use the underwater feeder, but wouldn't dive 'just because' (polar bear excluded).

I know that grizzleys do, I've seen them do it at the Louisville Zoo, especially when it's warmer

 

[NZFanatic]

I think the Moose will swim but not deep dive

I'm leaning that way too, however the fact that they're adding an underwater feeder with vegetation in it suggests that possibly the moose will be able to use it.