The exploration mechanics in Eve are massively superior to those in ED. ED doesn't even have exploration mechanics beyond pointing your ship at a planet and waiting. In Eve, if you want to discover something you need to dispatch probes and use them to actually scan for anomalies to reveal their location. Once revealed, you can then travel to that location and interact with whatever it is you've discovered. You can even share the location with your friends and go there together, or you can even give the location or sell it to somebody (if it's a valuable location). That's exploration. That's discovery.
What the heck is wrong with all the whiners on here?
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The exploration mechanics in Eve are massively superior to those in ED. ED doesn't even have exploration mechanics beyond pointing your ship at a planet and waiting. In Eve, if you want to discover something you need to dispatch probes and use them to actually scan for anomalies to reveal their location. Once revealed, you can then travel to that location and interact with whatever it is you've discovered. You can even share the location with your friends and go there together, or you can even give the location or sell it to somebody (if it's a valuable location). That's exploration. That's discovery.
so you dont actually travel in EVE but send probes instead? sounds dull as hell. i sell the data to either an engineer or at a place it can earn me faction rep. not being able to sell it to someone else, well unless a player auction type place appears its not possible so maybe that is a good point. but why would i want to not go out and find things myself? i would like if detailed scanner did paint points of interest on planets so you could go down and find them in the srv, or at least tell you there are points of interest - but then i find if i drive my srv enough on any place i can land eventually i find something other than rocks to shoot for mats. and when i get back i sell my data and get my name on it as first discoverer. one day the probes will rebel in EVE and demand the proper credit for discoveries
OP: just go into settings and then off DD. No more wingers.
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Also, an Internet game you can play on an oil rig. Good advertising there.
so you dont actually travel in EVE but send probes instead? sounds dull as hell. i sell the data to either an engineer or at a place it can earn me faction rep. not being able to sell it to someone else, well unless a player auction type place appears its not possible so maybe that is a good point. but why would i want to not go out and find things myself? i would like if detailed scanner did paint points of interest on planets so you could go down and find them in the srv, or at least tell you there are points of interest - but then i find if i drive my srv enough on any place i can land eventually i find something other than rocks to shoot for mats. and when i get back i sell my data and get my name on it as first discoverer. one day the probes will rebel in EVE and demand the proper credit for discoveries
No, you misunderstand. You fly to the system you wish to explore, then you launch your exploration probes from your ship and start scanning. It's quite a complex and engaging process. Once you've scanned a location down, you can then fly to that specific location within the system and see what's there. Sometimes they can be wormholes which lead you to other areas of space, or which take you into wormhole space where you can discover other things. It's quite in depth. This will give you more information and even if you don't read it, a brief skim will tell you just how much more depth there is in Eve's exploration than any other space game to date, including ED.
http://eve.aeonoftime.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/beginners_guide_v1.6.pdf
Player control is deliberately limited in ED to avoid EVE style territoriality which is marmite to gamers. David Braben was asked what he thought of player run guilds back before release and he said they tend to act like Mafiosi. That's why you can pledge to a power or support any minor faction you like, but you'll never own a station or a system.
It's worth remembering that a lot of the whiners have logged hundreds of hours (if not thousands)! They're just not very good at expressing their love.
It's also worth remembering that players with many hundreds of hours (if not thousands) are the most qualified to critique.
I've started to understand, that Dangerous Discussion isn't a real forum, it's just simply a trolling arena. There are people who literally only visit this place to stir up trouble because they're bored at work. The sub forums are far more pleasant and contain less whining, more actual discussion.
I think most folks out there learned from the Alien Ruins sites (Guardians), that if you want to just immerse yourself in something new Frontier has given to us, the absolute last thing you want to be dealing with are jerk-off gankers who flock to these sites in OPEN with no other purpose but to ruin the enjoyment of others.
Is it any wonder why so few are bothering to check out the new alien structures with anyone but trusted friends, or in solo? Makes total sense to me.
As for well known gankers switching to PGs and Solo... What do you expect them to do? They recently lost ALL of their exploited modules. You can hardly gank other players if skill is all you have to work with... and in the case of these "players", they never had much of that to begin with.
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Although I kind of agree, this is the sort of thing that looks very strange to outsiders. "I've watched every episode of STAR TREK seventeen times and I tell you it's totally unwatchable!"
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Dunno, I had a look at those Tharg Bases - and they're quite neat.
As compared to some other Storyline events (most of which were simply missed, plain because they didn't even resemble any visible or coherent Story), those new Thargoid Bases were quite well appreciated for all I could read (?)
Thus, not really seeing many of the typical complaints.
Folks wanted to get access to the PAX 2017 Teaser content - and they got it.
And with Frontier having stated that V2.4 is the main Thargoid-themed Update, this time they're IMHO looking pretty good, considering we're still at the 2.3 Stage. Prelude.
PS.
My only small gripe is an old one :
- GalNet Articles massively lacking precision and depth/meat to them
-> not even Planet IDs or Coordinates, thus making the discovery a "search their locations in the Web Broswer" again. Old issue. The lack of attention to Detail. Detail is where the real money is at, always was.
- GalNet still hasn't learned to present Images to visually underline their news
- last but not least, GalNet storyline events triggered by "Proof of Action by Video and Forum post or Reddit/Twitter/Faceplant etc., instead of triggering them like a Game always should : Player presence detected at a Trigger-location
(I for example don't Stream my Gaming Sessions, have no Datacenter full of past Gaming footage, am no Audio/Trackwriter and no "Youtuber" trying to leech a few extra bucks from Views/Ads. Guess what, I won't ever "trigger" anything )
As compared to some other Storyline events (most of which were simply missed, plain because they didn't even resemble any visible or coherent Story), those new Thargoid Bases were quite well appreciated for all I could read (?)
Thus, not really seeing many of the typical complaints.
Folks wanted to get access to the PAX 2017 Teaser content - and they got it.
And with Frontier having stated that V2.4 is the main Thargoid-themed Update, this time they're IMHO looking pretty good, considering we're still at the 2.3 Stage. Prelude.
PS.
My only small gripe is an old one :
- GalNet Articles massively lacking precision and depth/meat to them
-> not even Planet IDs or Coordinates, thus making the discovery a "search their locations in the Web Broswer" again. Old issue. The lack of attention to Detail. Detail is where the real money is at, always was.
- GalNet still hasn't learned to present Images to visually underline their news
- last but not least, GalNet storyline events triggered by "Proof of Action by Video and Forum post or Reddit/Twitter/Faceplant etc., instead of triggering them like a Game always should : Player presence detected at a Trigger-location
(I for example don't Stream my Gaming Sessions, have no Datacenter full of past Gaming footage, am no Audio/Trackwriter and no "Youtuber" trying to leech a few extra bucks from Views/Ads. Guess what, I won't ever "trigger" anything
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There are several layers of discussions. But the ones born out of frustration or anger are the most senseless. Over in the thread concerning Star Citizen there is what I'd call a level headed speculative conversation going on about SC's future. Then along comes a player that wants, by their comment a feel good thread for SC seperate from what the claim is a hate SC thread.
So I guess it's in the individual perceptions. But though I am certain numerous thing to complain about in ED I personally feel some spend way too much time nit picking things to death. I seriously doubt there is a "perfect" game out there. And as fun as ED is to me, I doubt it is either. There is much that we as individuals would like to see done a different way. Or that does not make sense to us.
But we have to understand, for better or worse, this team has a vision for this game. And we are either a part of it or we're not. If we're not then we need to move on. Complaining about a problem is one thing but burning down the forums to just to gripe is not. But we do have the option to ignore the thread.
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You can use a cloaking device in Eve. Avoids griefers pretty well.
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I can assure ye, this is not a trolling arena...Ive been to actual trolling forums where trolling is actively encouraged...trust me, this forum is most definately not a trolling arena by any stretch of the imagination. More akin to a kiddies pool with some heavy sarcasm that sometimes goes a bit over the top and incurs the wrath of the fun police
Ye certainly appear to be no stranger to the old distribution of the sodium yerself I gotta say...chill out man its all gravy yer getting all hot under the collar there...need some more fiber in yer diet maybe?
The jokes on anyone who so much as replies though...yer moaning about others who moan, on a thread moaning about forumites who moan, the moan about other who moan about players who moan...
Im assuming yer bright enough to see where this is going though...make me proud ^
Lack of unique resources to collect or use and lack of any frontiering or vivilization expansion gameplay. General lack of activity aside from seeing the sights as generally. The game is pretty, but imho tries to rely too much on that for exploration.
As far as griefers go, the only thing saving elite from becoming the same from a mechanical standpoint is instancing and high waking beating all forms of interdiction.
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Which brings up a point for a different discussion about how/why this game believes fundamentally in solo play despite the clamoring for more mp support as well as the limits it self imposes on the types of scifi experiences it can create.
But as stated, that's a topic for another time.
Not really. It's the same thing with most games. People who play a lot are more invested into the game. They also tend to find design flaws that other players don't see. If someone's passionate about a game and would like to see it evolve, there's a fair chance that you'll see him criticize.
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so you dont actually travel in EVE but send probes instead? sounds dull as hell. i sell the data to either an engineer or at a place it can earn me faction rep. not being able to sell it to someone else, well unless a player auction type place appears its not possible so maybe that is a good point. but why would i want to not go out and find things myself? i would like if detailed scanner did paint points of interest on planets so you could go down and find them in the srv, or at least tell you there are points of interest - but then i find if i drive my srv enough on any place i can land eventually i find something other than rocks to shoot for mats. and when i get back i sell my data and get my name on it as first discoverer. one day the probes will rebel in EVE and demand the proper credit for discoveries
Not quite right, probes work in the system, meaning you have to be in the system you are scanning. They return poi's which must be further scanned to lock an warp to their location. The travel mechanic differences mean you can't copy paste, but its mostly the facy that there is content out there.
I think most folks out there learned from the Alien Ruins sites (Guardians), that if you want to just immerse yourself in something new Frontier has given to us, the absolute last thing you want to be dealing with are jerk-off gankers who flock to these sites in OPEN with no other purpose but to ruin the enjoyment of others.
Is it any wonder why so few are bothering to check out the new alien structures with anyone but trusted friends, or in solo? Makes total sense to me.
As for well known gankers switching to PGs and Solo... What do you expect them to do? They recently lost ALL of their exploited modules. You can hardly gank other players if skill is all you have to work with... and in the case of these "players", they never had much of that to begin with.
Yup, agree 100%. The "Nawt so queer as folk" bit kind of sums it up for me.
Its just that my brain cannot comprehend why those who make the most noise about "those who exit the game ungracefully"
are also the ones who cheated their way to the best modules and weapons, and then when something really good comes along (yes Frontier, I think the latest Thargoid content is good) they scurry off to private group so they can be left in peace to engage with that content. As far as I am concerned they are all the same - cheats who should have their accounts closed. Their reputations are in the gutter and should be flushed away with all the other detritus.But what the heck. I have a G&T at my side and a good book that I would like to finish, but 'she who must be obeyed' wants a cuddle. I could suggest to her that she is invading my game time but somehow I think I would lose that one.
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