I have come to the conclusion that people will make up any old claptrap in a desperate attempt to justify their way of thinking.
And whats worse is they probably believe it too. They are similar to flat earthers in that regard.
What was said then and what we have now...
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I have come to the conclusion that people will make up any old claptrap in a desperate attempt to justify their way of thinking.
And whats worse is they probably believe it too. They are similar to flat earthers in that regard.
I for one feel travel times are essential. Travel is boredom interspersed by moments of interest. Without these numbing lulls in action this would be just another spaceshooter. The "grind" is what gives me a sense of achievement.
But in all honesty I am very laid back in my relationship with ED and change playstyle session to session so as not to burn out on any aspect.
But in all honesty I am very laid back in my relationship with ED and change playstyle session to session so as not to burn out on any aspect.
Er... no, a subjective stance can't be correct or incorrect, that's like the whole definition of "subjective".
Rafe Zetter
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There you go again with your subjectivity.
I know you have posted on rare occasion about something you aren't happy with - but it's usually something minor - my biggest issue is that you often seem blind to the glaring issues as per the OP, because so far I've not seen you agree with any of them in this thread, just defend the usual "they are coming, FDev know what they are doing" and other such tripe - sorry tropes.
Even when faced with DB's own words during development, that reality contradicts.
The very fact that both Oddball and Liqua (most notably) have posted in this thread shows that the OP has hit a nerve - because I've not seen either of thier names post in the forum for a very long time.
Rafe Zetter
Banned
maybe - maybe not
Why don't you look through all the proposals in the DDF, and then balance that with how many of them made it into the game.
I'll be amazed if 10% of them did - yet the DDF was sold as though they were going to used as a design tool ALONGSIDE the FDev staff - an almost EQUAL PARTNER IN DESIGN - when history has proven the DDF and ideas that came out of it to be ANYTHING BUT.
So while Oddballs theory might seem ludicrous and /tinfoil to some, when faced with the reality that very little DDF stuff made it into the game, it's hard not to wonder if the DDF was yet another way to increase the KS funding - after all, for those that can afford it, who doesn't want to be part of designing the next iteration of the most famous and influential gaming franchise on earth?**
It was like an armchair game designers wet dream come true... or so it looked.
** Elite was THE GAME that proved computer gaming was a viable thing, a business model that could become what it is today; before then it was geeks in basements hacking out code and making cassette tapes with photographs of the loading screen stuck on the cardboard slip, then selling them in garage sales and car boot fairs, selling only a few dozen copies - Elite also INVENTED the space sim genre.
LOL. [haha]
That is not how I remember it!
Any links abot this, as it would be rather cynical to put forward the Star Citizen micro-jump model, when really you wanted to the FE2/FFE flight model all along!
Simon
I disagreed with the points that are factually wrong, such as there would be no federal fighter in the game. I even said that there are way better examples to show how FDEV didn't deliver on their promises but as always this gets ignored because it doesn't suite your picture of me being a stupid white knight.
^Reducing a post so much to make it look ridiculous, though it made some sense. Schmack's post could have been more precisely expressed, but anyway he is right. Of course profit is being shared, but only under certain circumstances. Sharing trade profit can't really be classified as co-op mechanic. Sharing bounties was "only stealing the kill partly" until recently. Shooting at enemies with a friend, isn't real co-op either. It were, if mechanics would require two or more people to be successful. It is the same issue with Borderlands (2), but in ED not even difficulty is scaled (not even through hit point inflation as in Borderlands). Wing assassination missions tend in the right direction, but since they can be done in solo (even in a Viper), they are nothing but a start to real co-op game mechanics. This is especially a bummer, since the term "MMO" is being mentioned alongside ED.
The funny thing is, while doing all those things that you seem to preffer calling them 'not cooperative', you can have a team of people cooperating to flip the BGS in one or multiple systems.. so there you go. I'd say this is very much cooperative.
Watching paint dry doesn't require any co-operation. Flipping the BGS does.
It would be faster the more people blow...
If someone says that wings aren't a coop feature (and all the other stuff I listed as well) his point immediately gets ridiculous unless he manages to come up with a good argument which is impossible due to the clear fact that wings are a coop feature. You can talk about profits all you want, it doesn't change the definition of the word.
OP, You are not translating PR speak properly...
Also they consider POI beacon text as "community content" - and it's certainly is, quality of these stories is evident
Sometimes you also get these extra swing arms attached
Also ships are extremely modular & customisation with modular damage model which have gameplay effects. It's just not a *visual* effect entirely - but he didn't explicitly say how visual it will be.
Well, they've added multi-crew, which wasn't here before so its more features and its certainly "cooperative"
Well, he "'d like to" but you know, it was just a wishful thinking - didn't work out, sorry.
Also they consider POI beacon text as "community content" - and it's certainly is, quality of these stories is evident
Well he said it could be added, and they've eventually added it
Oh, it *will* be added. Eventually (tm).
It was made flyable! Just in separate game mode
He said he'll see what they can do - maybe took a look and didn't see anything viable
Probably still "looking at". And third-party sites do it anyway so no big priority
Anaconda has damaged model!
Well, different stations are built by modular design - e.g. varying interior & lighting
Sometimes you also get these extra swing arms attached
Also ships are extremely modular & customisation with modular damage model which have gameplay effects. It's just not a *visual* effect entirely - but he didn't explicitly say how visual it will be.
Sounds like they consider stuff they've put in "interesting"! Its subjective
I haven't seen the word "soon" - except for ranks and they are here since game release.
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Wings added the base functionality for being able to (more or less) consistently join your mate's instance (yes, chat and voice also) and some basic credit sharing. But that is it, there was and still is (besides that meaningless Thargoid fight) no co-op specific content in ED. Everything in ED you can do fine on your own, sometimes even better (ever been to an empty CZ because "too many" players around?).
Wing missions...