Where is the paid 'content' LEP holder get for 'free'

[dayrth]

...So I'm chasing this up. It would be the work of a moment for someone at FDev to respond to my question.

The thing is, they have already answered your question. They have said there will be more paid expansions and LEP holders will get them as part of the LEP. If they were to repeat their answers in every thread where someone posts the same question (for this and every other topic where people demand answers over and over), what a waste of time and effort that would be.

If what you are after is more details on what these expansions will be and dates they will come out then thats not going to happen yet. FD don't give details until they have stuff actually working and they know it will definitely be in and they are sure when they can finish it by.

Yes they used to be more open, but a lot of people took their hopes and plans to be promises and the backlash when something wasn't quite the same as envisioned (multicrew) or worse, couldn't be done at all (offline mode) made them more circumspect, and who can blame them for that.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I was talking about my reasonable intent being so surrounded by the frothing pride in ignorance of others that it is lost to the casual reader as IndigoWyrd demonstrated a little earlier.



There is always another event coming up, it's been several years. I'd like my question to be answered before details of any new content is revealed.

The question has already been answered. There is no need for them to answer again. I refer you to this:

In addition to all the content talked about at Frontier Expo, we also have some pretty cool things in the works which will be available to purchase. We're not ready to talk about them just yet so we can't give you any details but rest assured that the lifetime expansion pass owners will be looked after and will be getting their hands on premium content as part of their lifetime expansion pass before the end of 2018 and the Beyond series of updates.

I hope that helps,


Zac

What is the point on someone coming on here and saying the exact same thing?

From this statement it's obvious they have more then one DLC in the works at the same time. Bolded the important part.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

There is always another event coming up, it's been several years. I'd like my question to be answered before details of any new content is revealed. It should be possible to answer at a moments notice, any time it is asked.

Whether you think it is good value is purely subjective unfortunatly. So do you really believe FDev are going to come on here and say, nahh, the LEP was poor value, here is your money back. That is ridiculous. Do you think FDev think what they are working on is going to be of poor quality or good quality?

I cannot believe you are even asking the question. It's a pointless queston until you get what they plan to give you. Some will think it is, others will not depending on whether they are happy with the expansion or not.

 

[Riverside]

The thing is, they have already answered your question. They have said there will be more paid expansions and LEP holders will get them as part of the LEP. If they were to repeat their answers in every thread where someone posts the same question (for this and every other topic where people demand answers over and over), what a waste of time and effort that would be.

If what you are after is more details on what these expansions will be and dates they will come out then thats not going to happen yet. FD don't give details until they have stuff actually working and they know it will definitely be in and they are sure when they can finish it by.

Yes they used to be more open, but a lot of people took their hopes and plans to be promises and the backlash when something wasn't quite the same as envisioned (multicrew) or worse, couldn't be done at all (offline mode) made them more circumspect, and who can blame them for that.

The question has already been answered. There is no need for them to answer again. I refer you to this:



What is the point on someone coming on here and saying the exact same thing?

You both make the same basic point, why should I not be satisfied with the response from Zac in October 2017?

Because I ask them to, just as I did in October. It is an easy question to answer, and if it is given so often that it becomes mundane, well that's a better position than we are in now in my book.

That there is the potential for details of any new premium content to be revealed soon makes it only more urgent that this minor detail is gotten out of the way ASAP, before any reveal.

 

[Riverside]

I cannot believe you are even asking the question.

Why?

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Why?

Because it is meaningless. They do not know whether you will think what they are doing is good value or not. They will likely think so though. Let's say one of the expansions is space legs. Some people are not going to want that and will think it is of no value to them. It is impossible for them to know what the individuals all think.

That there is the potential for details of any new premium content to be revealed soon makes it only more urgent that this minor detail is gotten out of the way ASAP, before any reveal.

Why. What difference will it make?

 

[Riverside]

Because it is meaningless. They do not know whether you will think what they are doing is good value or not. They will likely think so though. Let's say one of the expansions is space legs. Some people are not going to want that and will think it is of no value to them. It is impossible for them to know.

I don't doubt that any response would lead on to other questions from the community, that's what communication is about isn't it? Let them say it's impossible, rather than presuming to speak on their behalf.

With this thread now being a week old, my immediate response to any answer from FDev is now likely to be 'why did it take you so long to respond?'

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I don't doubt that any response would lead on to other questions from the community, that's what communication is about isn't it? Let them say it's impossible, rather than presuming to speak on their behalf.

With this thread now being a week old, my immediate response to any answer from FDev is now likely to be 'why did it take you so long to respond?'

Becasue they do not need to respond. What you are asking for is impossible for them to tell as they do not know whether you will find what they are doing is of any value until they tell us exactly what they are doing.

It's a question which is litereally impossible for them to answer.

 

[amigacooke]

It's been on the front page of the moan zone for a while now, actively generating hype. The way to bury it would be lock it or dump it into the PVP forum or something.

Or stop feeding it.

 

[VR Golgot]

To FD, I ask that you confirm that the last round of LEP purchasers can indeed expect to eventually receive good value for money from their purchase. And if they cannot, please suggest the smoothest course those who wish to should go about obtaining a refund.

The answer to your question is: They don't know.

Because continued expansions will depend on the revenue that the game is pulling in. And this will depend, to a significant degree, on each expansion in turn.

Just as you didn't know when you pre-paid for the rolling software that it would all certainly be delivered. It was a punt. We, players and FDev, are all part of a great big punt

I get your call for accountability, but to end all argument for ever with a perfect metaphor... We only get to collapse this waveform when the game's dead. Until they hit the end point and we know for certain that they've missed or hit their delivery targets most refund attempts (or class action suits or what have you) are on to a hiding as there was no time-frame included with the LEP.

And given this reality, that they don't know, and they won't for a while, the repetitions of the 'it would be the work of a moment to respond' schtick get old pretty fast... [yesnod]

 

[StuartGT]

I don't doubt that any response would lead on to other questions from the community, that's what communication is about isn't it? Let them say it's impossible, rather than presuming to speak on their behalf.

With this thread now being a week old, my immediate response to any answer from FDev is now likely to be 'why did it take you so long to respond?'

FDev don't need to respond to the thread's week-old OP, because it's already been answered in the thread:

• Premium Content is coming in 2018, free to all Lifetime Expansion Pass holders.
• FDev will announce it at an upcoming Convention/Expo (i.e. Gamescom in August).

Meanwhile, your query is entirely subjective - the perceived "value" of upcoming expansions - so cannot be answered by FDev.

The only viable question at this point is "FDev: when will you announce what the Premium Content is and its target release month?" to which FDev can either:

1. announce an upcoming announcement, thereby gaining much flak for the pointlessness of it.
2. wait until they make the actual announcement (at a convention/expo, i.e. Gamescom), and in the meantime let the dozen or so impatient CMDRs state their frustrations while indirectly hyping up what's to come.

 

[dayrth]

....why should I not be satisfied with the response from Zac in October 2017?...

Because it is the answer to the question you asked.

Yes it would only take a moment to answer it again, but why should they answer you and not everyone else and their 'quick question'? and if they were to answer every 'quick question' in every thread over and over again then that would no longer be 'only a moment'. It would be a massive waste of time.

 

[Riverside]

I think you guys are overreacting to strawmen of your own creations rather than my actual position. On the basis of your responses the sensible path to follow would be to seek a refund for content not yet delivered. I don't see it that way, but it would be good to clear it up.

 

[amigacooke]

but why should they answer you and not everyone else and their 'quick question'?

Because this question has generated a 1500+ answer thread?

 

[StuartGT]

I think you guys are overreacting to strawmen of your own creations rather than my actual position. On the basis of your responses the sensible path to follow would be to seek a refund for content not yet delivered. I don't see it that way, but it would be good to clear it up.

1. What strawmen?
2. What position?
3. If you don't want a refund, who are you talking about?

 

[amigacooke]

I think you guys are overreacting to strawmen of your own creations rather than my actual position. On the basis of your responses the sensible path to follow would be to seek a refund for content not yet delivered. I don't see it that way, but it would be good to clear it up.

That would make sense.

I believe Frontier entertained the possibility of refunds to macOS commanders who has purchased lifetime expansion pasts.

 

[StuartGT]

Because this question has generated a 1500+ answer thread?

Riverside isn't the OP creator. The questions in the OP have already been answered.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I think you guys are overreacting to strawmen of your own creations rather than my actual position. On the basis of your responses the sensible path to follow would be to seek a refund for content not yet delivered. I don't see it that way, but it would be good to clear it up.

Why is that the sensible path? What you are saying makes no sense. There are no strawman of our own and we are not overreacting.

There is always going to be an element of risk with an LEP. You have no idea what the expansions will be and you buy it with the hope that the expansions are going to be something you want. If it isn't well that is the risk you took when you bought it.

We know the FDev plan to keep the game going as long as possible and will sell DLC's to keep the game in a good financial footing. As to whether you think that they are worth it or not is purely subjective.

There is no strawman there.

If that is no it then it must be this. So your position is that you want FDev to tell you whether getting the LEP was good value, yes. Surely that depends on how many expansions are going to come (we know they are working on more then one from Zaks post), we also know there is a lot of scope for more expansions in the future.

As long as the game stays here and they continue to pump out paid for DLC's then surely the LEP will be of better value then if someone had to pay for them all seperately depending on the amount of them. This is just a logical deduction. We don't need Fdev to tell us that.

If the game fails because they don't sell enough DLC's or the player base dry up, then it may not be. But as FDev cannot see into the future, then it will be impossible for them to tell you that. They may not know how much they will cost yet, so again not possible to answer.

Again it is an impossible question for them to answer.

The only thing they could say is: Yeah we think so.

Which isn't much of an answer is it and about as useful as a brick in the face.

 

[PiLhEaD]

The question has already been answered. There is no need for them to answer again. I refer you to this... What is the point on someone coming on here and saying the exact same thing?

From this statement it's obvious they have more then one DLC in the works at the same time. Bolded the important part.

My opinion is that eight months of silence has been too long, and that it would be sensible for them to indicate when they will start to give out more details.

I'm not convinced that the statement is referring to more than one DLC, I take it to mean that the 2018 DLC will contain many things. 'Happy days' of course it there is multiple DLC content this year, but the statement is ambiguous, so perhaps the CM manager could pop into the forum and do some CM'ing.

A radical thought I know! [noob]

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

My opinion is that eight months of silence has been too long, and that it would be sensible for them to indicate when they will start to give out more details.

I'm not convinced that the statement is referring to more than one DLC, I take it to mean that the DLC will contain many things. 'Happy days' of course it there is multiple DLC content this year, but the statement is ambiguous, so perhaps the CM manager could pop into the forum and do some CM'ing.

A radical thought I know! [noob]

They already got a load of falk by announcing when an annoucement will be made, so I don't expect that to happen again. As they will be at Gamescom I suggest looking there for some.

Personally I have no issues. Waiting a month or not is not going to make any difference to the game, whether I play it at the moment or whether I will buy the expansion or not.