Who has encountered a cheater using a hack?

FD state there are not many cheaters, and of course, a lot of cheaters will not be stupid enough to play in open. On the old cheat forums the hackers specifically advised people not to use the cheat in open.

However, based on reactions from some, its like everyone is encountering cheats on a regular basis. Its why i've referred to this as hysterics in some posts i've made, because people are now behaving like there is some sort of cheat epidemic going on.

The cheat devs of one cheat have apparently closed their doors, and they already went dark last year after FD shut down their cheat at that time. I understand there are other cheats out there, i was aware of a paid for one some time ago, not sure if that is still there (not looked). But its not unlikely there are not many cheaters. And after all, i think most of us are people who don't like cheating and won't cheat right?

Just to make this clear, i'm looking for response from people who are fairly certain someone was using a hack. I'm not talking about people who used exploits (like the 5/1 exploit), i'm not talking about people who combat log (through task kill), and most definitely not talking about things that some people call cheats but are not according to FD (menu log). I mean things like infinite shields/hull/weapons/etc.

If you are 100% certain you encountered a cheater, then say that. If you think you maybe encountered someone using a cheat, but can't be sure, then say so (maybe there was lag or something? You're going to have to judge your own level of certainty). If you were destroyed in a few seconds by someone and can't believe it happened without cheating, it can happen without cheating, so don't assume that was a cheater, its was probably just a ganker with a meta loadout.

Personally i can't say i have, but there again, i haven't been in combat with another player for.... hell, a year perhaps?

EDIT: damn, should have said, let's not count Mr Protest Guy, i think lots of people saw him, and i think its fair to say, regardless of what you think of his methods, he went out of his way to be seen.

Also, another point, because i guess someone will mention it, yes there could be cheaters affecting people indirectly playing the BGS or PP from Solo/PG, and yes, they probably could be getting a bit of an advantage there (doing direct jumps to systems people might have to take 2-3 jumps to to do PP actions or do missions), but that's not what i'm asking about here, i'm talking about direct encounters.
 
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And how am I supposed to know the difference between a fully engineered ganker with 4 terajoules of shields I wont even scratch lagging so much wile interdicting me I'll rather autosubmit, and an invincible cheater with interdiction autowin on...

Seriously.

Potter couldn't even tell.
 
I certainly ran into a ship that would not go below 1 ring of shields - but that was CQC and apparently is a hotbed for cheats anyway...
 
And how am I supposed to know the difference between a fully engineered ganker with 4 terajoules of shields I wont even scratch lagging so much wile interdicting me I'll rather autosubmit, and an invincible cheater with interdiction autowin on...

Seriously.

Potter couldn't even tell.

Maybe you can't. Which is why i'm asking for people who think they might have encountered to say maybe and those who are certain to say they have.

Sure, with the state of engineeing it can be hard to tell. But if you are in a combat ship and pounding away, and don't even see sheilds turn a slightly different colour, then maybe they were cheating.

I'd be surprised if Harry couldn't tell in his gankmobile, but there again, Harry is not the most reliable source of information.
 
I certainly ran into a ship that would not go below 1 ring of shields - but that was CQC and apparently is a hotbed for cheats anyway...

I don't think i've ever encountered a cheater in CQC, but at least in CQC it would be more obvious. No ship in CQC can hold up under sustained fire for long without a cheat.
 
I certainly ran into a ship that would not go below 1 ring of shields - but that was CQC and apparently is a hotbed for cheats anyway...

Or maybe, it's just one global server with three people lagging in it. Just like in the main game, if things start to get surreal, just leave the game.

Maybe you can't. Which is why i'm asking for people who think they might have encountered to say maybe and those who are certain to say they have.

Sure, with the state of engineeing it can be hard to tell. But if you are in a combat ship and pounding away, and don't even see sheilds turn a slightly different colour, then maybe they were cheating.

I'd be surprised if Harry couldn't tell in his gankmobile, but there again, Harry is not the most reliable source of information.

Or maybe they get the slider on a sweet spot so it doesnt look that much of an edge. Or maybe they're just lagging behind a vpn and half theiur packets lost.

Aashenfox talked about ghost ramming.

It's a lost cause, just enjoy casualness in the sandbox. At this point the trainer has half its features in the QOL mod territory anyway.
 
I don't think i've ever encountered a cheater in CQC, but at least in CQC it would be more obvious. No ship in CQC can hold up under sustained fire for long without a cheat.
It was the second match I'd ever played, and I thought I was in for a sneaky as he was at 1 ring after dispatching another ship - I know I hit him several times before being equally dispatched :)
That was the only time though - but from comments raised on this forum it doesn't appear to be too rare, even if not 'epidemic' level!
 
And how am I supposed to know the difference between a fully engineered ganker with 4 terajoules of shields I wont even scratch lagging so much wile interdicting me I'll rather autosubmit, and an invincible cheater with interdiction autowin on...

Seriously.

Potter couldn't even tell.
This.

@Agony_Aunt
The worst problem is that you simply can't tell.

1) remember the vid here about the Krait/Mamba ganker combo. We had a healthy debate wether it is cheating or not, at least in the case of the Mamba.
The Krait was very obvious.

2) the cheat/hack allegedly allows you to slider things. So how can I know I lost to a good build if he just gives himself 10 or 15 % advantage?
100 % is blatantly obvious, invulnerability too. But giving myself +10%? boosting every stat from dps to shield mj to regen? I won't be beaten very often after that.

And frankly I don't know if I ran into gankers. I had encounters long ago where I died quickly and propably too quickly. Am I sure it was cheating? No of course not.
Could it have been cheating? Well, yeah obviously.

And this is only the PvP side.

  • Are you SURE FD detects people cheating themselves bigger jumpranges to reach previously unreachable systems?
  • Are you sure FD detects people one-jumping their gank-de-lances to Colonia or EA?
  • Are you sure FD detects people making themselves invulnerable in solo and breaking your precious PMF?
  • Are you sure FD detects people skipping supercruise to cheat in CGs?

That's the problem. Now with that stuff in the open (no, not that open :D) everything will be questioned.
It's a matter of trust. Losing trust is simple, regaining it not so much.
 
  • Are you SURE FD detects people cheating themselves bigger jumpranges to reach previously unreachable systems?
  • Are you sure FD detects people one-jumping their gank-de-lances to Colonia or EA?
Certainly when the negative fuel exploit was discovered they were pretty fast to say 'don't use it, we will see you'. And that type of cheating (plus the ones to remove countdowns and speed jumps) are easy to spot.
 
Not many out in the black where I spend the vast majority of my time. For those I do see during expeditions and the like, it seems rather unlikely that they're cheating. Couldn't say for sure though.

I'm probably not the best case study for this. That being said, I do think it's important to correct and resolve some of these sort of issue in a game with a shared playground. Don't want someone relieving themselves on the monkey bars even if I prefer the swings, you know?

I might be lucky that the swings are upwind, but the entrance to the playground isn't, savvy? It's not good for anyone, really, other than maybe some 5 minutes of fame attention seekers.
 
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A few months ago, at Jameson Memorial (where else?), I received docking permission, and someone in an Eagle zoomed past me, flew inside the station ahead of me, and pointed his ship to the docking bay I was allocated. Vertically, up and down, as though I didn't know where to go. Then flew out.

I was, like .... whoaa !, how did he know what number I was allocated? It was harmless. Didn't think any more about it until I read about all the cheating going on.
 
A few months ago, at Jameson Memorial (where else?), I received docking permission, and someone in an Eagle zoomed past me, flew inside the station ahead of me, and pointed his ship to the docking bay I was allocated. Vertically, up and down, as though I didn't know where to go. Then flew out.

I was, like .... whoaa !, how did he know what number I was allocated? It was harmless. Didn't think any more about it until I read about all the cheating going on.
Hilarious.
 
i made the jump from group and solo to open a couple of years back.

I've yet to come across one of those infamous "griefers" that are meant to infest open let alone a hacker.

Everyone i meet, is either friendly, or just minds their own business
 
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