who is still considering buying a VIVE?

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Hi

not a troll thread but a genuine question. Apparently the consensus seems to be the vive is outselling the rift by as much as 2:1

however since the oculus summer discount everywhere i post people are finally getting off the fence and saying this is the price point to get them in VR.

ALL are getting rifts...

I am just wondering if anyone here has ordered a vive since the £/$ 399 price cut of the rift? or is this a turning point for the rift sales

 

[Flapdrol1337]

I don't like facebook but I'm not about to pay twice as much for a vive.

 

[WindWpn]

Yea, I kind of got burned..... ordered Vive this past weekend at 800, and the the Rift sale dropped this week. I "should have" simply left vive box unopened, and ordered Rift immediately and then shipped back Vive. Not so much for product, but simply price. However, I am enjoying Vive thus far for standing/room scale, but seated, I have trouble with tracking. Likely its placement of the base stations that I will need to play with, but overall, Vive is nice. Though honestly... VR is not worth $800. Its a $400 price point in today's current market. Those getting the Rift deal now are getting what VR is really worth.

 

[Chromezero]

When I initially started getting interested in VR, I felt like $400 was the right price for a HMD, and I still think that's the sweet spot. Unfortunately, it seems a lot of people have an uneasy feeling about the Rift/Facebook thing. I'm glad I went with a Vive last year but if I were just now getting into VR, I would seriously consider the Rift due to the price.

 

[Morbad]

Still waiting on smell-o-vision.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Yea, I kind of got burned..... ordered Vive this past weekend at 800, and the the Rift sale dropped this week. I "should have" simply left vive box unopened, and ordered Rift immediately and then shipped back Vive. Not so much for product, but simply price. However, I am enjoying Vive thus far for standing/room scale, but seated, I have trouble with tracking. Likely its placement of the base stations that I will need to play with, but overall, Vive is nice. Though honestly... VR is not worth $800. Its a $400 price point in today's current market. Those getting the Rift deal now are getting what VR is really worth.

to each their own I guess. I am sorry you feel you are not really getting your monies worth. i gotta admit i paid the full rift price, around £750 with the 3rd tracking sensor..........

and i have never once regretted it.

but then i am biased. VR has been something i have dreamed off since virtuality in the early 90s.

 

[Skandy]

to each their own I guess. I am sorry you feel you are not really getting your monies worth. i gotta admit i paid the full rift price, around £750 with the 3rd tracking sensor..........

and i have never once regretted it.

but then i am biased. VR has been something i have dreamed off since virtuality in the early 90s.

For me the biggest reason to get a vive vs rift was Steam. But when I did research I found that for the most part minus exclusives rift worked in SteamVR and at half the price for the same specs and access to virtually all the same games its really a no-brainer. The economics just don't make sense for the vive currently.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Actually even on the steam store a lot of the games use the rift sdk properly rather than steamvr..indeed you can always tell the ones they dont as imo they are a bit more janky (on the rift, i imagine its better on the vive).

Make sure you set up revive tho, that way you get all the oculus store titles you want too. Most work well and even Oculus produced titles have been seen to have fixes for revive in the patch notes

 

[TopCat160]

It'll be a cold day in hell before I give money to Facebook, possibly the most toxic and corrosive online influence on young people today.

I despise and loathe Facebook for the way it commoditises individuals, splitting them into two categories - those who feel pressurised into lying about their life, and those who feel inferior because they can't match up to the lies.

And for the way it manages to get so many people into both categories at once. And for the way it rewards virtue signalling, and echo-chamber news, and so many other things.

Much as I'd love a cheap VR headset, it ain't going to be the Rift.

Hopefully I'll manage to hold off for the Vive 2.

 

[Skandy]

It'll be a cold day in hell before I give money to Facebook, possibly the most toxic and corrosive online influence on young people today.

I despise and loathe Facebook for the way it commoditises individuals, splitting them into two categories - those who feel pressurised into lying about their life, and those who feel inferior because they can't match up to the lies.

And for the way it manages to get so many people into both categories at once. And for the way it rewards virtue signalling, and echo-chamber news, and so many other things.

Much as I'd love a cheap VR headset, it ain't going to be the Rift.

Hopefully I'll manage to hold off for the Vive 2.

I wasn't aware that this was a discussion about morals in the consumer space. I don't know you or your circumstances but seeing something posted like this does make me wonder if you apply the same set of standards to other products or services you buy in every day life. For instance the produce or products you buy in a Supermarket/Grocery Store or the cloths you wear (likely made in sweat shops in China). Do you think Steam/Valve/HTC are paragons of the industry and have no skeletons of their own? I am sure there are some indie developers who can tell you stories if you cared to look. I find moral outrage of this sort interesting as I feel that for most part arguments/outrage/social justice on the internet come hand in hand with double standards and outright hypocrisy.

Just my two cents on the whole FB vs Valve aspect. /endrant

 

[CylonSurfer]

I wasn't aware that this was a discussion about morals in the consumer space. I don't know you or your circumstances but seeing something posted like this does make me wonder if you apply the same set of standards to other products or services you buy in every day life. For instance the produce or products you buy in a Supermarket/Grocery Store or the cloths you wear (likely made in sweat shops in China). Do you think Steam/Valve/HTC are paragons of the industry and have no skeletons of their own? I am sure there are some indie developers who can tell you stories if you cared to look. I find moral outrage of this sort interesting as I feel that for most part arguments/outrage/social justice on the internet come hand in hand with double standards and outright hypocrisy.

Just my two cents on the whole FB vs Valve aspect. /endrant

Well put.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

It'll be a cold day in hell before I give money to Facebook, possibly the most toxic and corrosive online influence on young people today.

I despise and loathe Facebook for the way it commoditises individuals, splitting them into two categories - those who feel pressurised into lying about their life, and those who feel inferior because they can't match up to the lies.

And for the way it manages to get so many people into both categories at once. And for the way it rewards virtue signalling, and echo-chamber news, and so many other things.

Much as I'd love a cheap VR headset, it ain't going to be the Rift.

Hopefully I'll manage to hold off for the Vive 2.

Personally I don't think facebook does that at all, it's the people that use facebook that do that. I use facebook, but cut out any nasty stuff from it. It's pretty easy really, so the only stuff I see on facebook are posts from friends and family and stuff that I am actually interested in, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[TorTorden_VR]

Valve wants and does exactly what Facebook does.
And Facebook just wants to be Google.

HTC has been smack in the middle with the rest of the tech industry in regards to foxconn, child labour and just general labour abuse.
It's something quite horrific when instead of a worker walk out, the workers find it necessary to commit mass suicide as a protest method.

Yeah Facebook is so evil.
If you think that sounds bad. Don't look at the food industry that's where the real shady stuff is happening.

Saying you can't buy a product from Facebook doesn't make you sound like a decent moral human being.
It just sounds uninformed.
In fact. shady as they are, Facebook is probably less evil than most big business.

 

[The Lawful]

I don't like facebook but I'm not about to pay twice as much for a vive.

That would have been the most important reason not to buy an Oculus. I don't even have a Facebook account. The reason I decided to buy the Oculus anyway was that you don't need one for the Rift. You only need an Oculus account, and all they ask is a valid email address and some name. Everything else is optional. You can enter any garbage there as you like, ofc. It's not worse than any other site IMHO (don't know if they track the usage data, but I'm sure HTC does too and Steam anyway).

Yo,
[noob]

 

[Frank]

That would have been the most important reason not to buy an Oculus. I don't even have a Facebook account. The reason I decided to buy the Oculus anyway was that you don't need one for the Rift. You only need an Oculus account, and all they ask is a valid email address and some name. Everything else is optional. You can enter any garbage there as you like, ofc. It's not worse than any other site IMHO (don't know if they track the usage data, but I'm sure HTC does too and Steam anyway).

Yo,
[noob]

I've got a CV1, but I did take the fact that Zuckerberg was in charge into consideration. It is true that you don't need a Facebook account to own his headset, but you still need to give him your personal details.

I don't trust him with my personal information. He was once asked why people gave him their information and his answer was "they trust me, the dumb [folks]". I had to use square brackets because I had to make a slight changes to the quote to make it acceptable for this forum.

If I was buying a headset now, the revelation of the sort of dirty memes Palmer Luckey funded for the Trump campaign would've also appeared in the "cons" column of my notes.

In the end I decided that the CV1 was a better choice for Elite, and he already had my details from when I bought a DK2. I wasn't bombarded by extra adverts so there's a chance he hasn't sold my name on. Hopefully he has learnt his lesson.

 

[TopCat160]

I wasn't aware that this was a discussion about morals in the consumer space. I don't know you or your circumstances but seeing something posted like this does make me wonder if you apply the same set of standards to other products or services you buy in every day life. For instance the produce or products you buy in a Supermarket/Grocery Store or the cloths you wear (likely made in sweat shops in China). Do you think Steam/Valve/HTC are paragons of the industry and have no skeletons of their own? I am sure there are some indie developers who can tell you stories if you cared to look. I find moral outrage of this sort interesting as I feel that for most part arguments/outrage/social justice on the internet come hand in hand with double standards and outright hypocrisy.

Just my two cents on the whole FB vs Valve aspect. /endrant

No I don't, at least not consistently, and nor do I doubt that if I looked I'd find lots of minor inconsistencies, instances of hypocrisy and double standards in my life. It goes with the human condition. Good luck finding someone that doesn't apply to.

When I feel particularly strongly about something, I may do or say something about it. That's all. I don't expect others to agree with me, or do as I do, that's their business. Equally it's their business if they prefer to justify taking no moral stance about anything in the consumer space on the basis that it's virtually impossible to do so consistently.

I just happen to feel particularly strongly about Facebook in particular. I despise everything about it and loathe what it has become.

If you don't like my opinions, I have others.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

It'll be a cold day in hell before I give money to Facebook, possibly the most toxic and corrosive online influence on young people today.

I despise and loathe Facebook for the way it commoditises individuals, splitting them into two categories - those who feel pressurised into lying about their life, and those who feel inferior because they can't match up to the lies.

And for the way it manages to get so many people into both categories at once. And for the way it rewards virtue signalling, and echo-chamber news, and so many other things.

Much as I'd love a cheap VR headset, it ain't going to be the Rift.

Hopefully I'll manage to hold off for the Vive 2.

Fair enough as the consumer that is your perogative. I dont "get" the whole face book thing myself either, why on earth do i care what is on your mind whilst on the throne, or what you had for breatfast..... But as a way for sharing snaps amongst friends and keeping in touch facebook and whatsapp (also facebook) i find useful .

To each their own

 

[Full_Ninja]

It'll be a cold day in hell before I give money to Facebook, possibly the most toxic and corrosive online influence on young people today.

I despise and loathe Facebook for the way it commoditises individuals, splitting them into two categories - those who feel pressurised into lying about their life, and those who feel inferior because they can't match up to the lies.

And for the way it manages to get so many people into both categories at once. And for the way it rewards virtue signalling, and echo-chamber news, and so many other things.

Much as I'd love a cheap VR headset, it ain't going to be the Rift.

Hopefully I'll manage to hold off for the Vive 2.

I think most companies that participate in a monetized system are known for doing shady to terrible things and justify it with profits. The main reason I don't want one is I don't want a Facebook camera in my house.

 

[Skandy]

No I don't, at least not consistently, and nor do I doubt that if I looked I'd find lots of minor inconsistencies, instances of hypocrisy and double standards in my life. It goes with the human condition. Good luck finding someone that doesn't apply to.

When I feel particularly strongly about something, I may do or say something about it. That's all. I don't expect others to agree with me, or do as I do, that's their business. Equally it's their business if they prefer to justify taking no moral stance about anything in the consumer space on the basis that it's virtually impossible to do so consistently.

I just happen to feel particularly strongly about Facebook in particular. I despise everything about it and loathe what it has become.

If you don't like my opinions, I have others.

I guess what I hope for is that yourself and others would consider double standards and hypocrisy before they post an opinion for total strangers to read in forums about spaceships

As for the bit about FB being a corrosive influence on young people, I use the platform to stay in touch with family and friends. To be clear I am no apologist for the service, it has its share of issues. That being said, there are many tools available for curating your feed to show you what you want to see and what you deem appropriate content. Just like any other part of the internet or even in "real life" social situations you will find reprehensible examples of humanity. The behavior you described in your post is not EXclusive to Facebook it's INclusive of humanity in a general sense. Do you remember grade school? I do. The have's and the have-not's will always exist as its just human nature. What matters is how we deal with it.

I respect your choice to not get a Rift because you hate the parent company. My own perspective is different. I have been a supporter of Oculus from the kickstarter days. The cause I champion is the transformative power of VR technology. Ever since I was a kid I discovered books like Snow Crash and Neromancer. More recently Ready Player One. I dreamed of the kind of virtual worlds I could visit and in my lifetime science fiction is becoming reality. I can now fly in my spaceship instead of looking at a monitor that has a spaceship on it. When Oculus went up on kickstarter I backed the company and eventually got both my DK1 and DK2 units each showing me how amazing the experience can be. When the company announced that they would be folded into Facebook I had some negative feelings about it but overall decided it was a good sign for VR. When CV1 was announced I was disappointed at the price point like many others. No motion controllers and twice the cost of a dev unit made it feel like a blatent cash grab. I didn't by the CV1 for the first year it came out. Then the price dropped and then dropped again a few months later and I picked up a CV1. I have never been so happy with a purchase. The content is only getting better and for ED it improves the experience 1000%.

Sorry I get very wordy when I am passionate about something.

/endrant

 

[Red River]

rift is better than vive(4 ED anyway) and almost x2 cheaper. it isn't even a competition anymore.
also, if rift is still too much there's an even better ED VR HMD - Pimax 4k