Horizons Why am i losing hull when landing on very low g planets without shelds?

[CMDR Oscar Gul]

it doesnt make sense frontier have told me they will investigate this and have not done anything for over a month! surely this is not meant to be when you can land on landing pads without taking damage, no matter how soft i am with my landing i lose hull! this is a problem when your at sagittarius A,

due to this, frontier have lost another player until the bugs are fixed


ps. DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE BUGS, i dont want any idiots commenting: oh they are working on it blah blah blah, ive seen my post get deleted about this so dont get started, they arent doing anything!

 

[Arry]

I am not an idiot, but you might and have the right; to think it.

If you are damaging you craft when touching down, you are not landing; you are crashing.

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

they arent doing anything!

How do you know this ? Have they told you, or is it that you're impatient and assume it ?

 

[Cmdr Delmonte[VR]]

With no shields to protect you on landing you will almost Always take damage, even on landing pads, has been like that since day one as far as I am aware
We are out in the black and carry the smallest class D shield we can, Also stick to low G planets for landing o7

 

[Gedemon]

With no shields to protect you on landing you will almost Always take damage, even on landing pads, has been like that since day one as far as I am aware
We are out in the black and carry the smallest class D shield we can, Also stick to low G planets for landing o7

Nop it's a bug introduced with Horizons, also happens on take off.

 

[TheDayman]

I heard (correct me if it's wrong) that it's because there's additional geometry that's only loaded on ultra settings, so if you're not on ultra, you'd miss a rock sticking out or something similar. Who knows though - maybe you're on ultra, maybe you're landing to fast, maybe it's the Thargoids.

 

[CMDR Oscar Gul]

I am not an idiot, but you might and have the right; to think it.

If you are damaging you craft when touching down, you are not landing; you are crashing.

well even if im touching down at such a low speed its almost unnoticeable? please read my statement.

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With no shields to protect you on landing you will almost Always take damage, even on landing pads, has been like that since day one as far as I am aware
We are out in the black and carry the smallest class D shield we can, Also stick to low G planets for landing o7

ok but on planets its worse, it shouldnt be like this

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How do you know this ? Have they told you, or is it that you're impatient and assume it ?

the fact is they told me they will pass it on for investigation a month ago then deleted my report and post??? also look at all the other bugs, black squares and all that, still not fixed, if they dont do anything this game is going to lose to no mans sky and rightly so

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I heard (correct me if it's wrong) that it's because there's additional geometry that's only loaded on ultra settings, so if you're not on ultra, you'd miss a rock sticking out or something similar. Who knows though - maybe you're on ultra, maybe you're landing to fast, maybe it's the Thargoids.

maybe its the thargoids indeed...

 

[frostypaw]

Can we pretend it's the dust/pebbles ricocheting around?

 

[James Son]

the fact is they told me they will pass it on for investigation a month ago then deleted my report and post???

Have you checked if your post has been moved in an "archives" subforum?

also look at all the other bugs, black squares and all that, still not fixed

From what i've understood, it's not that they do not correct bugs at all. They just fix the very serious bugs (show-stoppers, crashes etc) in the .01-.0x versions and let all other non-crashes for later major versions. The result of course is frustration for users.

 

[Brian of Ardagh]

I heard (correct me if it's wrong) that it's because there's additional geometry that's only loaded on ultra settings, so if you're not on ultra, you'd miss a rock sticking out or something similar. Who knows though - maybe you're on ultra, maybe you're landing to fast, maybe it's the Thargoids.

I'm running in ultra now and I still see my shields light up when auto or manually docking at an outpost. In the past I got about 2% hull damage while landing at outposts, no issues like that when landing at other ports. I haven't tested on planet surfaces yet but on planetary landing pads I saw the shields light up as well.

 

[Toffa]

OP.

Just because it's the most important thing to you, doesn't mean it's the most important thing for anyone (other players, DEVS, whoever) else.

Toffs
( '-')7

 

[Archvillain]

it doesnt make sense frontier have told me they will investigate this and have not done anything for over a month!

If you are interested in what FDev have told you, they have said that the recent updates do not have a lot of bugfixes because the big group of bugfixes is coming in the 2.1 release, which means that the large group of changes can benefit from the beta testing (among other reasons).

So... slow down. Many (if not most) bug fixes take a lot longer than a month from report to update. It's completely normal. Anything faster is generally high-priority stuff.

I think you might be conflating updates coming out every few weeks with bugfix time, but they are not related.

As a dev, I would put my money on this: the landing bug is serious enough that it WILL get fixed, and minor enough that it will not be fixed before 2.1
So relax. Your bugfix is in the queue, but it's still at least a few weeks out.

(Also, because long-distance ultralight explorers (who carry no shields yet carry a SRV) are the only people that this bug affects in any meaningful way, it wouldn't surprise me if this bug was even further down the queue than 2.1, but I think there are fair odds it might be high enough for 2.1)

 

[777Driver]

Nop it's a bug introduced with Horizons, also happens on take off.

Dude is landing hard, simple as that. I posted a video a while back, yes I have shields but you can see that they don't get touched on landing and takeoff. People land hard, that's all there is to it, you see in all the youtube videos.

If you configure thrusters correctly in options you can land on any planet without shields.

[video=youtube;TquAYTjEuSQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TquAYTjEuSQ[/video]

 

[shreddog]

Dude is landing hard, simple as that. I posted a video a while back, yes I have shields but you can see that they don't get touched on landing and takeoff. People land hard, that's all there is to it, you see in all the youtube videos.

If you configure thrusters correctly in options you can land on any planet without shields.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TquAYTjEuSQ

Sorry, but you're wrong. I have tried this in beta Horizon, and just after Horizon launch. And there is an issue/bug when landing without shields on planets. I tried many times to featherly land an iEagle on low and moderate g planets but the result was that now matter how slowly i touched the surface I would often get the sparks and lose 1-2% hull. It was like the landing gear wasn't there or something, landing on the belly.
However in stations I can almost slam the ship down without taking any damage and without shields. So there IS a bug. They need to fix this to make small ships a bit more viable for exploration.

Now the video you posted, firstly you use shields, second you land much harder then when I was testing.

edit: Come to think of it. I didn't test with analogue control of the thursters, only with keyboard inputs. But still I was touching the surface at like 1 m/s or something.

 

[babelfisch]

oh they are working on it blah bla blah.

 

[Han Brannigan]

it doesnt make sense frontier have told me they will investigate this and have not done anything for over a month! surely this is not meant to be when you can land on landing pads without taking damage, no matter how soft i am with my landing i lose hull! this is a problem when your at sagittarius A,

due to this, frontier have lost another player until the bugs are fixed

Drama Queen much? Learn to fly. Also Gravity on stations is lower then on low G Planets.

ps. DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE BUGS, i dont want any idiots commenting: oh they are working on it blah blah blah, ive seen my post get deleted about this so dont get started, they arent doing anything!

I'd have a few tips to share - but I won't, at least not with you.

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Sorry, but you're wrong.

No he is not. It IS possible to land on a planet with no shields and no hull damage. Its difficult ( especially for ham fisted pilots like me )

 

[shreddog]

Drama Queen much? Learn to fly. Also Gravity on stations is lower then on low G Planets.


No he is not. It IS possible to land on a planet with no shields and no hull damage. Its difficult ( especially for ham fisted pilots like me )

Learn to fly.. Really? What is it with this forum and people defending weird/broken/bugged game mechanics?

And gravity does not matter. All that matters is the velocity when touching down on surface. If I touch down at 1 m/s on planet surface and take damage, but touching down at 5 m/s on station and take no damage, then there is something broken.

 

[Han Brannigan]

Learn to fly.. Really? What is it with this forum and people defending weird/broken/bugged game mechanics?

I can't play this game bc of losing 2% hull when I fly shieldless types do NOT deserve a better answer. Also it is possible to land without damaging your ship - its only very hard to do so. My answer is then both well deserved and correct.

And gravity does not matter. All that matters is the velocity when touching down on surface. If I touch down at 1 m/s on planet surface and take damage, but touching down at 5 m/s on station and take no damage, then there is something broken.

Op explicitely mentioned low gravity planets. Go tell him your tale.

 

[frostypaw]

Dude I'm pretty sure I've done planetary landings without shields and taken zero damage - almost completely sure as the little moments of 'oh god' when I realise I didn't turn them on stand out - so I really think it might be you. That speed counter isn't 100% instantaneous - you might be going down a lot harder than you think

Have you tried using the FA-Off landing trick for the last few m? I almost always do now as it's so gentle. Trying a high-g landing and touching your thrusters is a real lesson in how unsubtle their control can be - though do this at a few km up!

 

[shreddog]

Dude I'm pretty sure I've done planetary landings without shields and taken zero damage - almost completely sure as the little moments of 'oh god' when I realise I didn't turn them on stand out - so I really think it might be you. That speed counter isn't 100% instantaneous - you might be going down a lot harder than you think

Have you tried using the FA-Off landing trick for the last few m? I almost always do now as it's so gentle. Trying a high-g landing and touching your thrusters is a real lesson in how unsubtle their control can be - though do this at a few km up!

The damage doesn't happen on every landing. For me it was like maybe half of the landings I took damage. Now, not speaking for OP. But I've tried 3 methods of trying to land gently. The normal short downward thruster, the FA on off trick, and the plane style landing. None could make me reliably land my ship every time without taking damage.

What I haven't tried though is an analogue control over the thrusters. But quick keyboard inputs is enough to keep the speed well within safe range, but perhaps ED has some issues with this..

And as I've said before. I can recklessly land my ship on a pad and not take damage. But featherly putting the ship down on surface give damage. Ergo, something needs fixing.