Why are Class II Gas Giant scans worth so much more?

Para Handy · Sep 1, 2017

Why are Class II Gas Giant scans worth so much more? Just that really - I have done searches but can find no real explanation for their increased value. Yes I know they are "rarer" and what they consist of but is rarity the only decider? It can't be the water as there are lots of sources of water further outside the gravity well.

Anybody know the real reason?

[where is it]

Zieman · Sep 1, 2017

The real reason requires unknown permit to unlock.

And season 4, scooping anti-Thargoid mats in Gas Giant atmospheres. [alien]

CMDR Ahab · Sep 1, 2017

MalcYorks said:
Why are Class II Gas Giant scans worth so much more? Just that really - I have done searches but can find no real explanation for their increased value. Yes I know they are "rarer" and what they consist of but is rarity the only decider? It can't be the water as there are lots of sources of water further outside the gravity well.

Anybody know the real reason?

[where is it]

Makes absolutely no sense to me either - surely water giants, Helium rice and Life bearing GGs should be worth more for their rareity value? :S

CMDR Ahab · Sep 1, 2017

Zieman said:
And season 4, scooping anti-Thargoid mats in Gas Giant atmospheres. [alien]

Oh please Glod, no.

I just want to scoop space whale babies for the cred...I mean Science! [money]

Qohen Leth · Sep 1, 2017

Same reason why the insanely numerous neutron stars are worth a lot more than the much rarer Wolf-Rayets or supergiants.

Straha Yeagar · Sep 1, 2017

Yeah, the payouts across the board don't make much sense that I have been able to figure out. They are pretty clearly not related to rarity.

iain666 · Sep 2, 2017

straha20 said:
Yeah, the payouts across the board don't make much sense that I have been able to figure out. They are pretty clearly not related to rarity.

Some of them seem to be related to utility - although values should really fall away quite quickly from the bubble if that was the determining criterion. NS, BH, WD and Class II GG don't even have that excuse by any plausible measure.

varonica · Sep 2, 2017

Qohen Leth said:
Same reason why the insanely numerous neutron stars are worth a lot more than the much rarer Wolf-Rayets or supergiants.

The neutron stars actually make sense now although they didn't to start with. Payouts for finding neutron stars that can be used to make up neutron star highways make sense in a way. Personally I just scan what I am interested in, it doesn't always make for the best payout hut I have more fun.

CMDR Ahab · Sep 3, 2017

Qohen Leth said:
Same reason why the insanely numerous neutron stars are worth a lot more than the much rarer Wolf-Rayets or supergiants.

Speaking of which, just found an untagged Wolf Rayet C and A class supergiant today on the way to Colonia as well as a couple of water giants.

Few more to add to the list on EDSM.

duckofdeath · Sep 3, 2017

The only reason I can think of is that Class II gas giant clouds is in the temperature range like Earth. Why that would be important, I don't know, as the gravity/pressure on them are "a bit" high to make them suitable for living on. Maybe we'll get cloud bases on the class II types one day?

Mercury7 · Sep 3, 2017

Because not Thargoids...

Maybe FD know something about their distribution, which we do not, and factored that in their calcs for their value?

It's very well saying there are a lot of NS, but are there a lot on a Galactic scale?

Qohen Leth · Sep 3, 2017

Mercury7 said:
Because not Thargoids...

Maybe FD know something about their distribution, which we do not, and factored that in their calcs for their value?

It's very well saying there are a lot of NS, but are there a lot on a Galactic scale?

Nah, probably just the galactic intern that misplaced a dot somewhere

Also, yes, there are.

Para Handy · Sep 3, 2017

picommander said:
Not so much the temperature I guess but Class II means: Water Clouds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudarsky's_gas_giant_classification
Should speak for itself, no?

As I mentioned in my OP, there are large sources of water further outside the gravity wells of Gas Giants than in their atmospheres so surely it can't be for that reason. Icy rings are a much easier to reach source of water surely?

Para Handy · Sep 3, 2017

picommander said:
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But what do you mean with "further outside the gravity well"? ..................

I mean that they could extract water from icy rings without having to go as deep into the gravity well as they would have to in order to extract / abstract water vapour from the gas giant's atmosphere.

Para Handy · Sep 3, 2017

picommander said:
So you think generally just from a point of view of mining? I had rather the search for alien life in mind. Maybe that's not a thing anymore in the years past 3300 but right now it certainly is.

I see what you were thinking, however, already in the game we have gas giants with ammonia-based life and water-based life - they are not worth anything like a class II is - hence my question.

The point is that the difference is huge not just a big difference, but a HUGELY BIG difference, say 30x approx {?} - there has to be a reason for that, surely?

duckofdeath · Sep 4, 2017

picommander said:
Not so much the temperature I guess but Class II means: Water Clouds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudarsky's_gas_giant_classification
Should speak for itself, no?

That is exactly the same, mate. The clouds are water because the temperature is right.